Berbatov | Fulham player

He's shown a good attitude, he's shown improvements every season and he gives us something different. Only reason he'd be sold is to accelerate Welbeck's development, not because we could get good money for him. If we sell him it's because we want to and think it'll improve the team - the money's always secondary. We know we could get good money for him anyway.

As much as I love Chicharito and rate Welbeck it seems a huge risk to me to rely on them throughout the season, but then it's a risk to rely on the twins as first choice, it's a risk to rely on De Gea as first choice; even in his old age Sir Alex still loves a risk, so you can't rule it out.
 
He's shown a good attitude, he's shown improvements every season and he gives us something different. Only reason he'd be sold is to accelerate Welbeck's development, not because we could get good money for him. If we sell him it's because we want to and think it'll improve the team - the money's always secondary. We know we could get good money for him anyway.

Sorry but you are making excuses. If we sell him it will mean in Fergies eyes he has never really been a correct fit. Really that is the story if his Utd Career. Anyone from the outside looking in would have the same view. Not Berbatov's fault but perhaps bad timing in every sense more than anything.

As for knowing we will get good money for him? It depends what you call good money. Before this PSG rumour I would have guessed the most we could possibly ask for considering would be £10m.

Here we have a player entering his final year discounting this option for one extra. And clubs arent exactly banging the door down looking for what really is a realistic signing for many clubs eg. bayern, Dortmund, Milan and Inter.
 
Saying that we'll sell him because we think it'll improve the team isn't making an excuse, in any way. It's a criticism of his stature in the club, actually. The fact you chose to interpret that as an excuse says it all about your view on Berbatov...you might not realise you're anti-Berbatov but pretty much everyone else can. Embrace it.

As for looking from the outside in...who cares what they think? They've a much less-informed opinion on the subject, we know it inside-out.
 
Where exactly is all of this hate that I keep hearing about? It should be reported as a hate crime.

More seriously, it is the specific set of circumstances that may potentially lead to the sale of Berbatov -- 30 years old, one year left on his contract, possibly no longer first choice because of an issue that was specifically identified by the manager, as well as young players needing to be integrated in to the squad. Effectively, any decision -- should there even be one to make -- would probably rest on the length of time that the manager believes that Berbatov has left with the club. If it's one or at most two more years, then Sir Alex may well see the benefit of selling Berbatov this summer in order to recoup the maximum value. If it's a further three or four years, however, then it's unlikely that there will be any decision to make at all, regardless of whether the offer is quite tempting in the abstract.

The suggestion that the club doesn't need the money is in one sense true, but it's also a rather limited interpretation of the way that football clubs operate. Manchester United, and more specifically the manager, has previous in this regard going all the way back to the early nineties. Hughes, Ince, Kanchelskis, Stam, Veron, and even more recently, John O'Shea, were all sold while they were still contributing to the team, and for at least one or more of the specific reasons that currently also apply to Berbatov. It's also doubtful whether the accepted narrative in relation to the likes of Beckham and van Nistelrooy completely describes the reasons for their departures, either (meaning that reasons that are not part of the narrative probably also apply).

And while it is true that the club is currently cash rich, that has also been true for much of the last five years -- a period in which the net spend on new players has been just over £30m. More importantly -- to the current discussion, at least -- Sir Alex has even admitted that part of the rationale for selling Brown and O'Shea was to create room in what I presume is the wage bill for the new recruits. This is all fairly normal football club/business practice, of course, but it does suggest that talk of not needing money somewhat misses the point. Manchester United rarely 'need' money from the sale of players, but it would be naive to think that it plays no role in the decision making.

As I said in a previous post, as well as Berbatov played last season, it is difficult to ignore the managers own words and actions in relation to the poor away form and the emergence of Hernandez as an effective partner for Rooney. If Sir Alex genuinely believes -- as he clearly stated -- that the Berbatov-Rooney partnership was a fundamental reason for the lack of functionality of the team away from home, then not only will that almost certainly also affect his thinking in terms of team shape and personnel at Old Trafford, but it effectively relegates Berbatov to a much less prominent role at the club.

Of course, every new season is different from the last and there is always the possibility of a change of circumstance, but the very fact that both the player himself as well as the team benefitted greatly from Rooney's role as a second striker, coupled with Hernandez's pace and threat in behind creating the space that allowed Rooney's form to first return and then flourish, underscores the fundamental change in the structure and emphasis of United's game in the latter part of the season. Whether and where Berbatov fits in to that equation going forward is certainly a question worth discussing, and that is independent of any possible transfer.
 
Where exactly is all of this hate that I keep hearing about? It should be reported as a hate crime.

More seriously, it is the specific set of circumstances that may potentially lead to the sale of Berbatov -- 30 years old, one year left on his contract, possibly no longer first choice because of an issue that was specifically identified by the manager, as well as young players needing to be integrated in to the squad. Effectively, any decision -- should there even be one to make -- would probably rest on the length of time that the manager believes that Berbatov has left with the club. If it's one or at most two more years, then Sir Alex may well see the benefit of selling Berbatov this summer in order to recoup the maximum value. If it's a further three or four years, however, then it's unlikely that there will be any decision to make at all, regardless of whether the offer is quite tempting in the abstract.

The suggestion that the club doesn't need the money is in one sense true, but it's also a rather limited interpretation of the way that football clubs operate. Manchester United, and more specifically the manager, has previous in this regard going all the way back to the early nineties. Hughes, Ince, Kanchelskis, Stam, Veron, and even more recently, John O'Shea, were all sold while they were still contributing to the team, and for at least one or more of the specific reasons that currently also apply to Berbatov. It's also doubtful whether the accepted narrative in relation to the likes of Beckham and van Nistelrooy completely describes the reasons for their departures, either (meaning that reasons that are not part of the narrative probably also apply).

And while it is true that the club is currently cash rich, that has also been true for much of the last five years -- a period in which the net spend on new players has been just over £30m. More importantly -- to the current discussion, at least -- Sir Alex has even admitted that part of the rationale for selling Brown and O'Shea was to create room in what I presume is the wage bill for the new recruits. This is all fairly normal football club/business practice, of course, but it does suggest that talk of not needing money somewhat misses the point. Manchester United rarely 'need' money from the sale of players, but it would be naive to think that it plays no role in the decision making.

As I said in a previous post, as well as Berbatov played last season, it is difficult to ignore the managers own words and actions in relation to the poor away form and the emergence of Hernandez as an effective partner for Rooney. If Sir Alex genuinely believes -- as he clearly stated -- that the Berbatov-Rooney partnership was a fundamental reason for the lack of functionality of the team away from home, then not only will that almost certainly also affect his thinking in terms of team shape and personnel at Old Trafford, but it effectively relegates Berbatov to a much less prominent role at the club.

Of course, every new season is different from the last and there is always the possibility of a change of circumstance, but the very fact that both the player himself as well as the team benefitted greatly from Rooney's role as a second striker, coupled with Hernandez's pace and threat in behind creating the space that allowed Rooney's form to first return and then flourish, underscores the fundamental change in the structure and emphasis of United's game in the latter part of the season. Whether and where Berbatov fits in to that equation going forward is certainly a question worth discussing, and that is independent of any possible transfer.

Seriously? Are people still saying this? De facto he has two years left on his contract (we have an option to extend at the end of this year).
 
Seriously? Are people still saying this? De facto he has two years left on his contract (we have an option to extend at the end of this year).

Why haven't we extended it you reckon? It seems we're keeping our options open. The extension allows us to negotiate a better deal for ourselves.
 
Why haven't we extended it you reckon? It seems we're keeping our options open. The extension allows us to negotiate a better deal for ourselves.

What difference does that make if we extend it now or later? We'll do it anyway if it's necessary, everyone knows that, it's basically a two year deal with an option to release him next year for free if we don't want to tie him up for another season which obviously makes absolutely no sense at all.
 
Why haven't we extended it you reckon? It seems we're keeping our options open. The extension allows us to negotiate a better deal for ourselves.

I'll give you the same answer I gave Commandus. Think about it as a business decision. If you had the option to buy something at a set price at a given date wouldn't you wait until near the deadline to make a decison? If we agree to another year now and Berbatov gets a Hargreavesesque injury or suddenly develops the first touch of Leon Best in the meantime then we've screwed ourself unneccessarily. I would argue that it makes no sense whatsoever to activate this clause until we're about a month away from the deadline.[/QUOTE]
 
With this added one year option I can think of no reason at all why the club would not simply trigger it now. It would end speculation and probably make Berbatov (a confidence player) feel a whole lot better and secure.

I have no idea if he will go or stay before September but it is laughable that some appear blind that the club have not or are not at least considering selling him for the new season
 
Weve given players extensions already this summer who had a few years on their contract. The fact we haven't means the club is keeping his departure as a possibility. Not necessarily this summer, but perhaps next summer or even in Jan. If Berbatov had established himself not just as a squad player but a cruical part of the team then I couldn't imagine us delaying the extension in order to give Berbatov more security. As it is he is potentially disposable. Nothing wrong with keeping our options open in this case.
 
They do. Of course, there's always the risk they decide to earn that new contract at a different club. Tevez being a good example.

But he has no say in whether the clause is activated or not, if we want to extend the contract then it's extended. Tevez was in a stronger position than Berbatov. In any case we don't know the ins and outs of that particular situation, my hunch is that SAF knew he was a dodgy character and decided against making a move. SAF even came out recently and said Tevez informed the club he would retire at the end of a four year contract at utd which hardly made a 20mil+ deal attractive to utd.
 
In January if we do not exercise the option Berbatov effectively can start entering pre-contracts - the one year option may expire at the end of next June but it effectively expires at the end of December.

Other players with more time left on their contracts have been offered extensions - it seems we are playing a waiting game with Berba.
 
I'll give you the same answer I gave Commandus. Think about it as a business decision. If you had the option to buy something at a set price at a given date wouldn't you wait until near the deadline to make a decison? If we agree to another year now and Berbatov gets a Hargreavesesque injury or suddenly develops the first touch of Leon Best in the meantime then we've screwed ourself unneccessarily. I would argue that it makes no sense whatsoever to activate this clause until we're about a month away from the deadline.
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But what better way to boost a players confidence than offer him the extension now. I know if I was Berba that would make me very happy the fact its not happened can only lead people to speculate.

United are known not to mess around their players - they want to tie a player down they will - sure players can mess them around like Rooney but can anyone recall United messing around contract talks with a player?
 
Manchester United to reject any PSG bids for Berbatov

Manchester United have yet to receive a bid from PSG for Dimitar Berbatov - and the indication is that Sir Alex Ferguson will rebuff any attempts from the mega-rich French club to sign him.

Ferguson was interviewed on French TV this week claiming Berbatov could go to France if he so wishes, but it has since been claimed the United manager did not understand the question put to him regarding the striker's future.

Berbatov's time at Old Trafford since his record £30.75m move in 2009 has been mixed - and it appeared he was heading to the exit door earlier this summer following his humiliating axe for the Champions League final.

He did not even make the bench as United lost to Barcelona and that led to renewed speculation about his future.

Wealthy PSG, backed by ambitions Qatari owners, have been active in the market this summer with the notable arrival of Javier Pastore from Palermo.

But they are keen to keep spending and are interested in Berbatov, 30, but his agent Emil Dantchev insists he's heard nothing.

"There is nothing on this," he said. "There's nothing on Berbatov and we've got nothing to say [about his future]."

Football premier-league: Manchester United to reject any PSG bids for Berbatov | Radio talkSPORT
 
Thing is, he hasn't got a new contract and we're about to start a new season. If talks began in Feb, why are they not finished? Meanwhile 3 United players have received new contracts. His manager was banging on at the end of the season that it wasn't the time to talk about a new contract, but 2 months later and we haven't heard a single mention.
 
Thing is, he hasn't got a new contract and we're about to start a new season. If talks began in Feb, why are they not finished? Meanwhile 3 United players have received new contracts. His manager was banging on at the end of the season that it wasn't the time to talk about a new contract, but 2 months later and we haven't heard a single mention.

But, as has been pointed out by many already and Gill, we have an option to extend his contract by another year, so essentially he has 2 years left. So we aren't in any hurry to get him to sign a new contract.

Only reason to extend his contract right now is to increase his value because of having a longer term contract.

In a year's time, depending on his performances, we can offer him a new contract that is more appropriate. If he continues as he did last season then it makes sense to keep him at his current salary. If his performances aren't as good but, he can still be a big asset to the club, then perhaps a lower salary but, the chance to continue at this great club and finish his career with more trophies.
 
But, as has been pointed out by many already and Gill, we have an option to extend his contract by another year, so essentially he has 2 years left. So we aren't in any hurry to get him to sign a new contract.

Only reason to extend his contract right now is to increase his value because of having a longer term contract.

In a year's time, depending on his performances, we can offer him a new contract that is more appropriate. If he continues as he did last season then it makes sense to keep him at his current salary. If his performances aren't as good but, he can still be a big asset to the club, then perhaps a lower salary but, the chance to continue at this great club and finish his career with more trophies.

I'd like to know the legalities on the Berbatov clause. I doubt it would be as clear cut as most assume.

But for Berbatov, i'd be pressing to get a contract asap because if his end of season form continues into this season, he'd be struggling to get even close to his current pay packet. He and his manager really should have had that shit dealt with earlier in the year.
 
Players usually up their game when they're trying to win a new contract.
I'm not the biggest fan of Berbatov, but the one thing I've never been able to hold against him is that he really wants to succeed at United. Its clearly visible.

My criticism with him has always been his inability/unwillingness to adapt his game for us.

Those two points probably contradict each other slightly, but there you go.
 
I'd like to know the legalities on the Berbatov clause. I doubt it would be as clear cut as most assume.

But for Berbatov, i'd be pressing to get a contract asap because if his end of season form continues into this season, he'd be struggling to get even close to his current pay packet. He and his manager really should have had that shit dealt with earlier in the year.
It might as well be read as a two-year agreement. No sense in United not taking up the option and losing him on a free next summer. Even if we didn't want to keep him, we'd surely take the option just to get a transfer fee for him.
 
Ferguson cools Berba talk

Sir Alex Ferguson has dismissed rumours linking Dimitar Berbatov with a move away from Manchester United as 'nonsense'.

Speculation surrounds the future of the Bulgarian striker, joint top-scorer in the Premier League last season with 20 goals, after he fell out of Ferguson's first-team plans towards the end of last term.

Berbatov found himself put in the shade by the manager's preferred strike partnership of Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez, most notably for the UEFA Champions League final against Barcelona in May, when he did not even make the bench.

French giants Paris St German are thought to be targeting the 30-year-old, who has a year to run on his contract at Old Trafford.

But despite the other striking options at his disposal, with Michael Owen, Danny Welbeck and Federico Macheda all waiting in the wings, Ferguson is adamant Berbatov remains in his plans.

"It's nonsense," said Ferguson. "There's absolutely no interest or encouragement from us either."

Ferguson appeared to imply he would sell Berbatov to PSG when quizzed over the Bulgarian by a French reporter following United's friendly against Marseille on Tuesday, but the manager says he misunderstood the question.

He admitted: "I thought she was asking about our chances for the season."

Berbatov is likely partner Rooney up front in the Community Shield against local rivals Manchester City on Sunday in place of Hernandez, who is recovering from concussion.
 
On a different note, it seems he's started advertising/has been used as a model for Hublot watches as part of their sponsorship deal with the club!

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Spanish club Malaga hopes to snatch Bulgarian forward Dimitar Berbatov by tabling an offer of GBP 22 M to his team Manchester United, according to reports.

This is only the latest in a string of rumors about interest in Berba by a number of European teams, including ones from Germany and Italy, and most lately French Paris Saint-Germain.

Malaga, owned by investors from Qatar, has embarked on a campaign to attract top players and Berbatov is next on their wishlist, according to Caughtoffside.

The Spanish club hopes that a GBP 22 M offer will be attractive for ManUn, which purchased Berbatov from Tottenham Hotspur for close to GBP 31 M in 2008.

Only one year remains from the Bulgarian forward's contract with United. Since some months ago, Berbatov, who was a top scorer in the Premiership last season, has not been on his club's starting team, provoking rumors about his imminent departure.



Caughtoffside ??
 
I'm getting really tired of all the Berba rumours, can't wait for the end of August to come and finally be clear if he is staying or going.

Anyways, hope he starts with Rooney vs. Spurs. I am going through Berba withdrawal. It'd be nice to see some Languid magic on the pitch.
 
I'm getting really tired of all the Berba rumours, can't wait for the end of August to come and finally be clear if he is staying or going.

Anyways, hope he starts with Rooney vs. Spurs. I am going through Berba withdrawal. It'd be nice to see some Languid magic on the pitch.

lol

Aren't we supposed to be playing fast attacking passing moving football a la Barca?
 
Spanish club Malaga hopes to snatch Bulgarian forward Dimitar Berbatov by tabling an offer of GBP 22 M to his team Manchester United, according to reports.

This is only the latest in a string of rumors about interest in Berba by a number of European teams, including ones from Germany and Italy, and most lately French Paris Saint-Germain.

Malaga, owned by investors from Qatar, has embarked on a campaign to attract top players and Berbatov is next on their wishlist, according to Caughtoffside.

The Spanish club hopes that a GBP 22 M offer will be attractive for ManUn, which purchased Berbatov from Tottenham Hotspur for close to GBP 31 M in 2008.

Only one year remains from the Bulgarian forward's contract with United. Since some months ago, Berbatov, who was a top scorer in the Premiership last season, has not been on his club's starting team, provoking rumors about his imminent departure.



Caughtoffside ??

22 mil? Just ask them what the delivery address is and how they want him to be wrapped.
 
If he only has a year remaining on his contract, there will be no bid north of 10m for him. He's not exactly a hot commodity at this point. I believe SAF/club would quickly accept a ridiculous bid of 15-20m, of which I highly doubt that kind of fee has been offered.

If he has two years remaining on his contract, a fee of 15-20m makes far more financial sense.
 
If Welbeck starts ahead of him on Monday 1) I'll raise my hand and say I was one that thought the 4th choice thread was a ridiculous one to start but, now am eating humble pie 2) He may not be in our long term plans but, Fergie has no problems with just running out his contract. If he isn't playing ahead of Welbeck or at least challenging Chicha for a spot, then no club is going to pay over the odds for him when they know he isn't a key player any more for us.

Hope it's not the case and he plays Monday. I still don't think he really got a chance to play with an inform Rooney after he he managed to play well for us last season. Chicha rightfully was ahead of Berba but, I think with Rooney's form and a run of games with Berba, they'd be a formidable partnership.
 
Reading a lot in this thread about how Berba could be sold because Rooney and he have never hit it off and Rooney and Hernandez are a much better partnership...

MUFC strike partnership points per game:

1. Berbatov/Rooney (2.24, 75 games),
2. Berbatov/Owen (2.07, 26 games),
3. Rooney/Owen (2.00, 25 games),
4. Rooney/Hernandez (1.84, 19 games),
5. Berbatov/Hernandez (1.72, 22 games),
6. Hernandez/Owen (1.50, 6 games).

Now obviously this doesn't take into account opposition faced, but but 2.24 points per game is not bad for a supposedly limited partnership. By the same token, 1.84 points per game, even though some of the games were against top teams (by my reckoning Chelsea x4, Arsenal and Barca, 1.67 points average), isn't all that great for a partnership that's supposedly unquestionably our best and sufficiently good enough to justify selling the top scorer in the league.
 
If Welbeck starts ahead of him on Monday 1) I'll raise my hand and say I was one that thought the 4th choice thread was a ridiculous one to start but, now am eating humble pie 2) He may not be in our long term plans but, Fergie has no problems with just running out his contract. If he isn't playing ahead of Welbeck or at least challenging Chicha for a spot, then no club is going to pay over the odds for him when they know he isn't a key player any more for us.

Hope it's not the case and he plays Monday. I still don't think he really got a chance to play with an inform Rooney after he he managed to play well for us last season. Chicha rightfully was ahead of Berba but, I think with Rooney's form and a run of games with Berba, they'd be a formidable partnership.

But its not looking that good if Welbeck is already the prefered option

Rooney-Welbeck is potentially what Rooney-Berba was meant to be. Danny's workrate, allied to his technique and pace, are the perfect match-up for Wayne... Even moreso than Rooney-Hernandez. If it is possible, I wouldn't mind seeing Rooney and Welbeck playing off Chicha as "9.5's" in a Xmas tree formation, but that would mean we have a midfield worth its salt :-/. Plus, we would be disregarding our wingers, which would be virtually impossible.
 
I'm getting really tired of all the Berba rumours, can't wait for the end of August to come and finally be clear if he is staying or going.

Anyways, hope he starts with Rooney vs. Spurs. I am going through Berba withdrawal. It'd be nice to see some Languid magic on the pitch.

I have a feeling Berbatov is going to become a vital player for us this season when so many youngsters are on the pitch. His calmness and ability to hold on to the ball will breed confidence. :devil: