Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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His arguments in the comments section are fantastic. Very good article indeed.
Evra really is funny character.
I remember him throwing that rubber Prem League Trophy at Fergie and him chasing Evra after...
good lad.
I remember him throwing that rubber Prem League Trophy at Fergie and him chasing Evra after...
good lad.
Evra came across as a bit of a twat during the whole French thing at the world cup, but Evra's character is not the issue.
...why because he acted as captain representing the other lads?
He did noting wrong whatsoever.
The entire debacle is due to an idiot manager and worse Football Association.
Not the debate to be had here. This has nowt to do with Evra's character, it just blurs the issue.
You don't strike in the middle of a world cup. It's was a farcical bit of ego posturing by a group of millionaires, I agree completely with moses. Even Fergie slagged him for it.
I don't know, a Frenchman who is chosen to lead his group choosing to protest, not exactly a huge shock.
Every single member of the team, without exception, agreed on the strike. So it didn't really matter who the captain was at that point.
Bollocks, he was completely right about that. Domenech snitched on Anelka to get some heat off himself to justify the WC elimination.
It wasnt the middle of the World Cup, France was eliminated already.
A) I'm pretty sure they weren't. (Edit: they weren't)
B) Even if they were, it was STILL a farcical bit of ego posturing. They were supposed to be there for the fans..Who'd spent considerable money and effort getting there to watch the games. I couldn't give a shit if one of their feelings were hurt, you don't do that.
What you don't do in the first place is snitch on a player in the press about what he said at half time in a locker room. Evra acted with solidarity towards Anelka who was made the scapegoat of a collective failure.
They were, they needed a miracle both in their game and the one between Uruguay and Mexico. Everyone knew they were out, which is why Anelka was snitched on in the first place.
There are many ways to go about doing that that don't involve throwing a massive girly strop and refusing to train when you're still in (and they were still in) a World Cup, with thousands of fans there to see you. It was the actions of a group of teenagers.
If the Prime Minister just refused to run the country because someone had been nasty to him, he'd rightly get a shit load of stick for it.
If the Prime Minister just refused to run the country because someone had been nasty to him, he'd rightly get a shit load of stick for it.
What you don't grasp (and I cannot blame you for it since most of the sheepish French public opinion does not either) is that the players also did that for the fans, to tell them what atmosphere they had to prepare in under Domenech and what the result was always going to be. If you think it made them happy to strike, you poke yourself in the eye. The problem is that they expressed themselves in a bad way, but certainly not a selfish one.
Anelka was absolutely distraught to be made the scapegoat and thrown out of his first ever WC and his last one considering his age. A case could be made his club level stooped from then onwards, never to recover.
Domenech is the same prick that strong-armed Makelele after the latter's retirement from international football. feck him. I supported the players despite the whole thing being a debacle.
Yeah, it's the main reason that I've never quite gotten past Keane leaving the Ireland camp in Saipan. Even if his relationship had broken down with McCarthy and even if he did think we were setting ourselves up to fail, he should have seen it through. It might be a once in a lifetime experience for them but it's much the same for the supporters who shell out to go see them.
And that's good on you. The French football federation is a joke who tried to cover up a story on how they were implementing quotas of black people in their youth selections in the following months. Not necessarily linked but gives a background to this whole "Evra and Anelka are to blame for the WC layoff"
As far as I'm aware Keane was the only one to storm out while Evra was merely one to strike amid a collective movement of players. Nothing to do with it whatsoever.
And Bollocks to you too. There were many ways to deal with it. The whole lot of them came across as wankers, and I still say his character away from this incident is totally irrelevant.
You're right, at least imo, but part of me thinks that the strike against Domenech was a culmination of their treatment as much as a reaction to a single incidence. It was probably long overdue, and thus seemingly unavoidable.
But they may have reacted poorly, I would want to know the inside story before I made up my mind. I'm naturally sympathetic to anyone who strikes, like Nani Nana said, people don't want to strike, they only do it when they feel they have to.
Not saying it was shocking, or where he ranked in a list of twats.
With one game left to salvage your World Cup campaign, even with the slimmest chance to go through, and thousands of fans their to see you, you fecking well wait, and then air your grievances. They weren't exactly striking to survive.
Nothing to do with what? I'm not trying to say they're the same, simply that I can see why both parties got stick. Keane's was arguably a much less principled dispute that that of the French players too.
By having a different opinion to you? You who read that satire earlier and took it as true? Excellent.
Well, all I mean to say is that it's a strong part of their culture, they protest more readily than nearly any country. So to them it may not have been so extreme as it seemed to others. Didn't they go and train later by themselves after the official training time was over?
why is this economic argument suddenly thrown into the debate? their wages surely weren't frowned upon when they were winning and suddenly it becomes a galling issue. bollocks altogether, the fans were merely distraught their team was out of the competition, and used the strike argument to shell out all their underlying feelings about well-paid people from minorities representing them. some of the comments one could hear in the French public opinion following the debacle had little to envy to Suarez's antics.
if you think one training session was the decider for players from United, Chelsea or Real Madrid to beat South Africa, you surely are overstating it a little. all these training sessions led by Domenech and his clique were piss poor and had the players hang their head in shame. they even complained about it to him in private before the competition started but to no avail
indeed players were vouching for better training sessions before the competition, shows you how implicated they actually were. but little case was made of that complaint
I'm all for protest. I just think that what happened then could have been less destructive.
I only said it to show that nonsense about how great/not great Evra is or isn't, are opinions and irrelevant to this case. Which seems to have spectacularly back-fired.
And Keane was proportionately way more important to his team's morale and play than Evra, I'm sure you'll agree. So indeed the way I see it I would be against Keane in that 2002 debacle despite being in favour of Evra in 2010 for all the arguments above.
They weren't out of the competition. There was still every chance they could go through. South Africa, who were in virtually exactly the same position, came within a goal of going through.
I'm not saying they didn't have legitimate grievances. But they didn't have a reason to strike in the middle of a World Cup. It was petulant. They should've waited.
I'm not saying they didn't have legitimate grievances. But they didn't have a reason to strike in the middle of a World Cup. It was petulant. They should've waited.
you are a joke moses..
Sorry, back to where you were, praising Evra. Sorry to piss on your chips with an opinion. You'd make a good scouser.