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GCHQ said:
He changed it because, yes, it wasn't working well, and because he was able to use Anderson for 45 minutes. Not 90 minutes, otherwise he'd have started with Anderson. Not too difficult to understand really.
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so he couldn't go 60? first 45 a break then maybe another 15 or 20? not out of the realm of the possible.
 
mu77 said:
anderson and park no doubts. park has a good engine a can cover the ground needed with anderson running (or trying to run) the middle of the park. not only does it put a rb at rb but valencia to the right and one of the strikers on the bench not welbeck playing wide left. cheech coming off the bench with berba and welbeck up top. 4-4-2 and a goal scorer coming off the bench.
two players forced to play out of position in carrick and park. but ffs play the guys in their positions even if that means bringing in the youth. because in the end fergie was forced to bring on one of the least experienced kids in keane.

i just feel he got it wrong. so when we praise him for the genius moves - like giggs and fletcher v chelsea a few yrs back , this line up wasn't as inspired.
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No doubt about Anderson? Except that there obviously was a lot of doubt about whether he was able to start the game. Which is, er, why he started on the bench.
 
mu77 said:
so he couldn't go 60? first 45 a break then maybe another 15 or 20? not out of the realm of the possible.
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I think 45 minutes is the most you could expect from Anderson on his first appearance back after six weeks out. He returned well ahead of schedule as it was without throwing him straight back into the starting line-up.
 
I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that Fergie said he didn't want to play him at all, but felt he had no choice but to bring him on at halftime.

And I must say, after a very good beginning, I felt Ando did go missing for a good 15 minutes or so before then starting to make an impact again towards the end.
 
"We had to take a gamble on Anderson’s fitness, he has been training very well for 10 days now but obviously for his first game back it is not easy, but he didn’t let us down and did his best.

"Midfield is an area we were missing experience, like Michael Carrick [who played in defence] and Ryan Giggs."
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That reads very much like Anderson won't be starting against Newcastle either and that it was a gamble to bring him on at half-time against Blackburn yet alone putting him in the starting line-up.

Do the great and the good of Red Cafe still think Anderson should have started yesterday?
 
GCHQ said:
That reads very much like Anderson won't be starting against Newcastle either and that it was a gamble to bring him on at half-time against Blackburn yet alone putting him in the starting line-up.

Do the great and the good of Red Cafe still think Anderson should have started yesterday?
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Now that we've calmed down and more likely to consider the facts, I would think so.
 
GCHQ said:
That reads very much like Anderson won't be starting against Newcastle either and that it was a gamble to bring him on at half-time against Blackburn yet alone putting him in the starting line-up.

Do the great and the good of Red Cafe still think Anderson should have started yesterday?
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No, as has been pointed out in the Ravel thread, when discussing about some of the youngsters on the bench yesterday. I think plan was and I put this in another forum, was to get a comfortable lead, and with 60/70 minutes gone bring on Anderson and Pogba. Then with 10 mins to go bring on either Fryers or Keane, depending on Rafael's fitness levels. However, that was before we found Rafa in the middle of the park.

I still don't think starting Anderson would have helped, he'd have probably faded far more had we attempted to start him, than he did. However a good 45 minute run out will do him good, some more minutes on Wednesday may lead to a start next weekend, but we'll have to wait and see. I think it really does depend on who is available at the back.
 
GCHQ said:
That reads very much like Anderson won't be starting against Newcastle either and that it was a gamble to bring him on at half-time against Blackburn yet alone putting him in the starting line-up.

Do the great and the good of Red Cafe still think Anderson should have started yesterday?
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yes - more so then a player who hasn't played either playing out of position. the quote states he's been back in training for 10 days. how long did he say raffa's been back and did he mention if he's been playing in midf for the reserves or at rb?
 
GCHQ said:
That reads very much like Anderson won't be starting against Newcastle either and that it was a gamble to bring him on at half-time against Blackburn yet alone putting him in the starting line-up.

Do the great and the good of Red Cafe still think Anderson should have started yesterday?
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I wouldn't take anything SAF says as gospel. He's a genius at management especially deflecting blame from players and himself.
 
Would rather have seen Gibson start yesterday as he's better than Park and Rafa at centre mid and on par with Anderson from what I have seen.
 
It all fits with what happened though. One player was more ready, physically, for a start than the other. Rafael was an unused sub against Wigan and i'm sure Fergie hoped Anderson would be an unused sub yesterday.
 
Lawman said:
Would rather have seen Gibson start yesterday as he's better than Park and Rafa at centre mid and on par with Anderson from what I have seen.
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On par with Anderson would probably be a stretch, but yes, Gibson would have been the better option to start with.
 
cheesy said:
On par with Anderson would probably be a stretch, but yes, Gibson would have been the better option to start with.
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Not sure it is a stretch tbh Anderson for me promises so much in spells but doesn't really deliver and he's had much more chances than Gibson. Thinking of a couple of Gibsons performances in Europe and thinking he's on par with Anderson from what i have seen.
 
Lawman said:
Would rather have seen Gibson start yesterday as he's better than Park and Rafa at centre mid and on par with Anderson from what I have seen.
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Football is not you best subject I can see. I can understand that you find Gibson to be a better midfielder then Rafael but the rest... There is a reason why Fergie is praising Anderson and trust Park whenever he's needed.
 
Lawman said:
Not sure it is a stretch tbh Anderson for me promises so much in spells but doesn't really deliver and he's had much more chances than Gibson. Thinking of a couple of Gibsons performances in Europe and thinking he's on par with Anderson from what i have seen.
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So you're using Gibson's best games to compare to Anderson? Great logic.

Gibson has played some awful games as well where he has managed to make Lampard look like a mobile midfielder and Phil Jones a master of positional play.

Anderson is a far better player than Gibson.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's the one decision I can't uderstand. Rafael ahead of Gibson in central midfield. Makes no sense at all.
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Me neither - unless the roumoured 'axe' story is true. We could have started the game with the same team who finished the Wigan match, except with the addition of Jones. If the rumour is true, then not only have Rooney and Gibson been punished but the punishment included effectively docking us 3 points and giving every supporter a nightmare end to the year.
 
mu77 said:
yes - more so then a player who hasn't played either playing out of position. the quote states he's been back in training for 10 days. how long did he say raffa's been back and did he mention if he's been playing in midf for the reserves or at rb?
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Rafael has been back training for around three weeks now, has been on the bench for a couple of first team games and played a full game for the reserves last week.

Again, I can't believe this topic is even worthy of a debate.
 
Pexbo said:
So you're using Gibson's best games to compare to Anderson? Great logic.

Gibson has played some awful games as well where he has managed to make Lampard look like a mobile midfielder and Phil Jones a master of positional play.

Anderson is a far better player than Gibson.
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I'm using a comparison on how both have performed for United, what other logic would you choose to make Pexbo?
 
7even said:
Football is not you best subject I can see. I can understand that you find Gibson to be a better midfielder then Rafael but the rest... There is a reason why Fergie is praising Anderson and trust Park whenever he's needed.
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So you think Park is a better cm than Gibson?
 
Lawman said:
I'm using a comparison on how both have performed for United, what other logic would you choose to make Pexbo?
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You said that Anderson has had promising spells while Gibson has had a couple of good games in Europe and that puts him level with Anderson which is nonsense.

Anderson hasn't had that many poor games in a United shirt, it's just his regular injury spells that keep putting him back. In terms of ability he is light years ahead of Gibson. He has more pace, holds the ball up better, has better short range passing, better movement, better positioning and is better in the tackle.

I'd say he averages abut a 7/10 performance level for us and has played some 9/10 games while Gibson has had the odd 8/10 game but is usually around the 5/10.
 
Pexbo said:
You said that Anderson has had promising spells while Gibson has had a couple of good games in Europe and that puts him level with Anderson which is nonsense.

Anderson hasn't had that many poor games in a United shirt, it's just his regular injury spells that keep putting him back. In terms of ability he is light years ahead of Gibson. He has more pace, holds the ball up better, has better short range passing, better movement, better positioning and is better in the tackle.

I'd say he averages abut a 7/10 performance level for us and has played some 9/10 games while Gibson has had the odd 8/10 game but is usually around the 5/10.
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Thats simply just not true. Whatever about Gibson hes a youth team product. Andersons transfer fee and potential means he should be judged differently. Injuries aside the lack of consistancy from him is something I just cant understand.
 
Anderson has the vision and ability to be able to replace Scholes if he can keep himself fit in my opinion he's one of our best midfielders now and in the future. The problem we have is we don't have a defensive midfielder strong enough to give Anderson the freedom he needs to dictate a game with his passing.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Anderson has the vision and ability to be able to replace Scholes if he can keep himself fit in my min he's one of our best midfielders now and in the future. The problem we have is we don't have a defensive midfielder strong enough to give Anderson the freedom he needs to dictate a game with his passing.
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I don't think that's true. Carrick is a superb shield. Regardless of that anyway, defensive midfielder or not Anderson's passing lets him down and that's his own problem. In open games Anderson is great as he can run in to space, carry the ball and also there's more room for him to pass in. But when the game gets tight and you have to be more patient and clever with your passing that's when he struggles. He tries to force the issue, or he gets sloppy. It's got nothing to do with his partner. That's a problem he needs to work on. Fortunately I think a big part of that is keeping fit and playing. He needs more experience and to do that he needs to stay fit more often so he can get runs of games. I think he could be a great player if he can get that experience and learn from it. But his faults, or at least his main ones are issues that only he can address.
 
Decotron said:
Thats simply just not true. Whatever about Gibson hes a youth team product. Andersons transfer fee and potential means he should be judged differently. Injuries aside the lack of consistancy from him is something I just cant understand.
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His "inconsistency" is down to his injuries. He always struggles, like 99% of players, when he is coming back from an injury but when he settles, he's a key player for us and is consistent.

I don't believe any of this "transfer fee" nonsense. They are all United player's and when they pull on a shirt they are judged exactly the same way. I'm not going to excuse Gibson's short comings as a played because he came through our youth system and neither is Ferguson which is the reason Anderson remains a key midfielder while Ferguson was trying to offload Gibson in the summer.
 
Returning from injury or not...another absolutely diabolical cameo
 
Him being there and the hope Fergie has in him is preventing us from moving forward as a team and that might seem harsh but it's my genuine opinion. Year in year out he'll be out of this world for a few games in a row and then out of nowhere he'll turn to shit and remain at that level whilst that one good performance in 10 is used as a reminder of his 'potential'. Been here 4 seasons and there is no improvement at all. Move him on Fergie, please.
 
Ask anyone outside of mufc what they think of Anderson and they will tell you he's horseshit. Opposition fans even give credit to unspectacular players like Fletcher, Park etc because they can see their worth in a team. For some reason how United fans and everyone else views Anderson is on a completely different radar.
 
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