Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Mockney said:
From TLW (which I've previously been defending)



FFS.

If Liverpool don't appeal, will they realise they're not quite as vital and self important as they think they are? Or that they haven't really stumbled upon any great inconsistencies that actual legal professionals will have spent slightly more than a week picking over and decided weren't controversial in the slightest? or will they insist on pretending they could've actually gotten him off completely, given a royal pardon and knighted in the next NYs honours if only a bunch of unqualified posters on a collection of football forums had been allowed to display the "info" they'd convinced themselves they'd collected?

It's gone well beyond sad & delusional now. The club need to stop this for their own fans' health.
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It's basically another internet conspiracy theory.

A consensus formed by tens of thousands of hysterical idiots poring over a small sample of the evidence determined to find one specific outcome versus a small group of people who are actually qualified to have an opinion, have access to all the available evidence and no underlying agenda.

I know who I believe. Every single time.
 
The Liverpool supporters want Evra charged with the same offense as Suarez. I do believe it says you cannot make reference to someone's race or country of origin in a derogatory way. I believe this allegation was dismissed with the rest of Suarez's malleable testimony, but he alleged that Evra said something like 'Shut up, South American.'

I've heard of prejudice by country, but by continent? That's a new one on me, and I don't think that would count, even if he did say it.
 
I agree with you, Pogue. This is the Liverpool fans' equivalent of "Who shot JFK?" or "Did the U.S. allow 9/11 to happen?"

They will never let this drop now.
 
gooDevil said:
The Liverpool supporters want Evra charged with the same offense as Suarez. I do believe it says you cannot make reference to someone's race or country of origin in a derogatory way. I believe this allegation was dismissed with the rest of Suarez's malleable testimony, but he alleged that Evra said something like 'Shut up, South American.'

I've heard of prejudice by country, but by continent? That's a new one on me, and I don't think that would count, even if he did say it.
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It's all bullshit. Sudaca is the term which is considered to be offensive, but in the report, Suarez alleges the term used was 'sudamericano'.

It's not offensive, it's like calling Indian, instead of Paki. Ask Liverpool supporters to feck themselves.
 
I was talking to a mate who is a brick lawyer and i he says bricks are coloured brick i showed him a photo of luis and all he said was lol which i think speaks volumes he’s an arsenal fan btw so not bias he then said he’d seen a photograph of south america once and that in that country its okay to say a brick is coloured no problem and people say it all the time so why is evra who everyone has prove and know is a cnut is still allowed to play and get paid for it i just don’t get it? What am i missing I hope luis and his poor family are ok cos its they have been got all the shit over this and it must be horrible when they have been victims of defimation but when john henry does things and take sit all the way we will overturn everything but in a proper court not the kangabangarang court at the fa which makes a mockney of british jusdicial justice and human rights in Europe also in this country then the media and bacon face’s fa will be in all the shit and we wont play them again just get the fa cup and luis will be captain
 
It's easy to transpose your own feelings on your countrymen. We all do it to an extent. I suspect he's just not very passionate about football himself.
 
Just read almost all of the report. Very poor stuff from Liverpool's defence team it must be said. The inconsistencies in Suarez's different testimonies means even the stuff that may be true isn't taken as such.
 
So Basically Uruguay is a country that has covered up it's obviously huge racism problem by making it acceptable to be racist? So England have a bigger problem because we are actively fighting it?

No wonder Liverpool fans like them, their backward thinking is so perfectly matched. Maybe we should cut Liverpool away and sail the whole place over to Uruguay and gaffer tape it on as part of them. Hey at least our benefits bill will drastically drop.
 
Flying Fox said:
Sharky linked this piece about a week ago...look at the comments it's gotten since

Why Suarez is a racist : Les Murray : The World Game on SBS
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Ethics commitee our ASS.; Lazy boringg childless C U N T
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That is Evra grew up with 24 siblings. Suarez about 7. (both have agreed neitheir is racist) Both grew up respectful in the end and richer and nicer than you will ever be. Didnt 'report that did you. SAD SACK, XMAS SCROUGE. C U N T
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Cripes, they are angry.
 
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Les you are a clown. I am not going to put down your Brazilian partner but to say she has not taste for sleeping around with a dirty old idiot like you. I call you a dirty clown because that is what you are. Your parents did a really good job on you scum. I hate the word WOG, invented by racist filthy Englishmen, but you know that is one time the title suits you as you don’t have a problem calling someone you don’t know a racist. Indeed even the racist FA and the racist Evra don’t call him a racist.
Do you know why? Because unlike you; they know the legal repercussions of wrongly defaming someone. If Suarez knew you even existed, of course he doesn’t, he would successfully sue you for defamation. There is NO legal evidence he actually said anything racist. The FA went out of their way to reduce Rooney’s charge after he viciously kicked an opponent. That is not their job and its all because Sir (****) Alex another racist who could not stand by and see Suarez tearing the Evra apart. T
he FA stood by and did nothing when Rooney put his finger up to the WHOLE of ENGLAND, not a few abusive & racist Fulham supporters as Suarez did and coped a 1 game ban. Sir **** should also be held responsible for inciting controversy and bringing the game into disrepute. He is jealous that such a small Country like Uruguay is so successful in football. You are an old man & its about time you grew up isn’t it? No court of law would ever find Suarez guilty but corrupted tribunals can do anything they like. For their sake Liverpool/Suarez better not take it to a court of law because the 3 clowns who found him guilty (one connected with Sir ****) would lose their jobs and be fined thousands of dollars. An old dog cannot learn new tricks so I don’t expect you to change but SBS has a moral obligation to get rid of you…..Oh and your Brazilian partner should do likewise.
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It's a bit of a wall of text but apparently everyone involved directly or not is a racist (except Suarez).
 
gerrydaly said:
I was talking to a mate who is a brick lawyer and i he says bricks are coloured brick i showed him a photo of luis and all he said was lol which i think speaks volumes he’s an arsenal fan btw so not bias he then said he’d seen a photograph of south america once and that in that country its okay to say a brick is coloured no problem and people say it all the time so why is evra who everyone has prove and know is a cnut is still allowed to play and get paid for it i just don’t get it? What am i missing I hope luis and his poor family are ok cos its they have been got all the shit over this and it must be horrible when they have been victims of defimation but when john henry does things and take sit all the way we will overturn everything but in a proper court not the kangabangarang court at the fa which makes a mockney of british jusdicial justice and human rights in Europe also in this country then the media and bacon face’s fa will be in all the shit and we wont play them again just get the fa cup and luis will be captain
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:lol:
 
Inigo Montoya said:
It's quite acceptable in Wales to refer to the Dutch as 'Dutch cnuts'.It's only friendly banter.

PS Bellend-amy's grandfather was Dutch so it's fine
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He once gave his girlfriend a dutch oven too, so he's covered (well, she was).

Anyway, with this Assistant Professor guy - has it not occurred to him that he has spent 5 years in Europe (a place not especially known for it's millions of Rio de la Plata emigres) during which time he has worked with and played against many people who speak the Spanish in the Iberian mainland dialect? That he is the only Uruguayan at Liverpool and who plays alongside the Spaniards Pepe Reina and Jose Enrique? Presumably he converses with them in their version of Spanish rather than vice versa.
 
The tide may be turning, I think, and acceptance of the verdict might just be the conclusion of some people associated with Liverpool FC; this from The Anfield Wrap:

I love Luis Suarez, I did before and I still do. He is one of the most exciting players we have had in the number 7 shirt since Kenny. He is one of us and we will stick by him because we have to. Despite that it is clear to me that he is a wind up merchant, a trouble maker and acted like a complete idiot in saying what he did to Evra, regardless of the exact wording he used.
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SUAREZ: WHY THE GUILTY VERDICT WAS CORRECT // The Anfield Wrap
 
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■Why didn’t we refer to Evra’s past? That is a mystery to me I must admit, not least because at the time of Evra reporting this incident Dalglish was clear of his history. We were offered the chance to raise credibility factors and declined. Mud sticks and I would have thrown as much as I was able. Probably not the most professional approach but still.

has pissed me off. What about Evra's past? Wankers
 
Talking Vulture said:
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■Why didn’t we refer to Evra’s past? That is a mystery to me I must admit, not least because at the time of Evra reporting this incident Dalglish was clear of his history. We were offered the chance to raise credibility factors and declined. Mud sticks and I would have thrown as much as I was able. Probably not the most professional approach but still.

has pissed me off. What about Evra's past? Wankers
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What about his past? Those 'race card' claims he never actually made?

Edit: Think we are saying the same thing here!
 
decorativeed said:
He once gave his girlfriend a dutch oven too, so he's covered (well, she was).

Anyway, with this Assistant Professor guy - has it not occurred to him that he has spent 5 years in Europe (a place not especially known for it's millions of Rio de la Plata emigres) during which time he has worked with and played against many people who speak the Spanish in the Iberian mainland dialect? That he is the only Uruguayan at Liverpool and who plays alongside the Spaniards Pepe Reina and Jose Enrique? Presumably he converses with them in their version of Spanish rather than vice versa.
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In fairness, he isn't.
 
The Neviller said:
In fairness, he isn't.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that Coates guy. He'd only been at Liverpool for six weeks at the time of the incident though, so my point still stands. Also, when he joined Liverpool there were two other Spaniards in their squad - Insua and Ayala. It would have been far more likely that Suarez learned to speak in their dialect than they in his.
 
decorativeed said:
Oh yeah, I forgot about that Coates guy. He'd only been at Liverpool for six weeks at the time of the incident though, so my point still stands.
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Your non fact based point still stands even though the facts were incorrect, making your statement false? :lol:

Yes, of course.
 
The Neviller said:
Your non fact based point still stands even though the facts were incorrect, making your statement false? :lol:

Yes, of course.
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There was one incorrect fact. The other facts were correct - in the majority of Suarez's time at Liverpool he has been the lone Uruguayan, the lone speaker of the Rio de la Plata dialect among several other "standard" Spanish speakers.
 
decorativeed said:
There was one incorrect fact. The other facts were correct - in the majority of Suarez's time at Liverpool he has been the lone Uruguayan, the lone speaker of the Rio de la Plata dialect among several other "standard" Spanish speakers.
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Maybe he has always spoke the Rio de la Plata version, and the Spanish speakers just understand him speaking that way. Maybe the fact that they colonised that whole area means they understand the difference. Maybe Coates arrival has reinforced the fact that he speaks that dialect.

Just playing devils advocate, we've no idea what way he speaks when talking to other Spanish speakers.

The fact that he admitted using the tu es form is the more important factor for me, regardless of how he speaks to the other "standard" Spanish speakers.
 
Also worth bearing in mind he didn't start playing for Liverpool straight off the plane from Uruguay. He's spent most of his adult life (from the age of 19 until now, aged 24) living in Europe - where the only Spanish spoken is likely to be "standard" Spanish.

Bearing this in mind, is it any great surprise that when Evra addressed him in "standard" Spanish he responded in the same dialect?
 
The Neviller said:
Maybe he has always spoke the Rio de la Plata version, and the Spanish speakers just understand him speaking that way. Maybe the fact that they colonised that whole area means they understand the difference. Maybe Coates arrival has reinforced the fact that he speaks that dialect.

Just playing devils advocate, we've no idea what way he speaks when talking to other Spanish speakers.

The fact that he admitted using the tu es form is the more important factor for me, regardless of how he speaks to the other "standard" Spanish speakers.
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Yes, that's what I have been doing. You seem to have missed that.

I'm suggesting that the assistant professor's assertation that the report has Suarez "using forms of Spanish (that he) just wouldn’t use" is based in as much fact as what I have suggested. Neither of us know the guy and we cannot declare with any certainty what form of Spanish he might use when addressing other non-Uruguayans.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Also worth bearing in mind he didn't start playing for Liverpool straight off the plane from Uruguay. He's spent most of his adult life (from the age of 19 until now, aged 24) living in Europe - where the only Spanish spoken is likely to be "standard" Spanish.

Bearing this in mind, is it any great surprise that when Evra addressed him in "standard" Spanish he responded in the same dialect?
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good point Pogues!
 
decorativeed said:
Yes, that's what I have been doing. You seem to have missed that.

I'm suggesting that the assistant professor's assertation that the report has Suarez "using forms of Spanish (that he) just wouldn’t use" is based in as much fact as what I have suggested. Neither of us know the guy and we cannot declare with any certainty what form of Spanish he might use when addressing other non-Uruguayans.
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Oh i knew you were, I was just playing the opposite devils advocate to you :lol:
 
I am honestly baffled and after having read hundreds of posts and tweets by LFC fans I have to ask: Is violence, facist mass hysteria, death threats and racism an inherent component of LFC culture?
 
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