Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

I hate City, and I hate Liverpool. I respect Liverpool's history which teams gone by achieved, I don't respect their team nowdays, and I certainly don't respect them with that man in charge. He's an absolute disgrace. They go on about our manager, but he's been dignified in this and has refused to talk in depth about it. He just wants to get on with things, and let it rest.

I'm glad City beat them last night. If we're to win this league, we'll take City on ourselves. I don't want any help from those cnuts.

I hope City put them out the Carling Cup too, and they're desperate search for a trophy continues for years.
 
Luis Suarez defence damages Liverpool reputation - Jason Roberts

Liverpool could damage their reputation if they continue to insist Luis Suarez is not guilty of racist abuse, says Blackburn striker Jason Roberts.

Suarez was banned for eight games for racially abusing Patrice Evra.

Liverpool decided not to appeal against the ban but issued a strongly-worded statement defending the player.

Roberts said: "Liverpool's stance of saying he's done nothing wrong goes against the spirit of our league. When you read the report, it's quite ugly."

An independent Football Association commission ruled that Suarez, 24, had racially abused Evra during a 1-1 draw between Liverpool and Manchester United in October.

The commission's report stated that the Uruguayan striker had used the term "negro" seven times in around two minutes and criticised him for providing "unreliable" and "inconsistent" evidence at the hearing.

Liverpool decided not to appeal against Suarez's ban, but issued a statement saying it was their "strongly held conviction... that the Football Association and the panel it selected constructed a highly subjective case... based on an accusation that was ultimately unsubstantiated".

Roberts, who has campaigned for Kick It Out, told BBC Sport: "Liverpool must think long and hard about how they are perceiving this.

"They are a proud club with lots of fans of different cultures and nationalities and it's important to think about how they would feel about being treated in the same way.

"Knowing people are from different nationalities and have different cultures is an important part of building your brand. You also have to know that players certainly don't accept being spoken to in that way."

Suarez and Liverpool claimed "negro" was a commonly used term in the striker's homeland of Uruguay and that it was often used affectionately there.

But Roberts, who received an MBE in 2010 for his services to sport in Grenada, added: "To use those words in that tone and context is certainly not acceptable in our leagues.

"It's not good enough to say, 'It's OK where I come from, so we do it here'. That's not the way we judge our society or the Premier League. They were ugly scenes and I'm worried that kids would have seen this.

"This is something that has to be told to everyone - it's not tolerated, especially in our leagues, as diverse as they are."

Roberts, 33, says foreign players needed to be better educated about what was and was not acceptable in England.

He added: "He [Suarez] should have been educated, that's certainly something that's come out of this.

"If you're going to come and play in the Premier League and live in our society, it's important that you understand the rules we abide by.

"Anyone who understands the culture here knows you wouldn't use those words, certainly not in the context in which they were used."

Roberts also said he was concerned that Evra had been forgotten during the whole affair.

"I'm more worried about how Patrice Evra has felt about the whole thing," he said.

"Not enough people have spoken about him and the issues he went through. Yes, he said some things back to Suarez and there was an argument, but he would have felt incensed by what was said and rightly so."



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BBC Sport - Luis Suarez defence damages Liverpool reputation - Jason Roberts

An interesting perspective by someone who has campaigned against racism. Roberts is bang on when he says that there hasn't been enough focus on Evra's feelings here
 
United are doing the right thing by sitting back and not getting involved. If we get involved then based on current form, KK/LFC will make that out to show that it is just a Liverpool-United rivalry and agenda. Us getting involved will not achieve anything, even the most even handed, neutral press release by Fergie could be misinterpreted as sniping at a long standing rival.

That sound, I do feel the FA need to press this one further now. Credit where its due, they have done well up to this point - releasing the full independant report, taking the claim seriously and handing out a suspension (which at this point seems inadequate, but at the time I think everyone felt it was a fair verdict). If the FA really want to hammer this one home they need to take some action against Liverpool over their actions and accusations.
I appreciate those wanting to just put it behind them and sweep it under the carpet, and had Liverpool had the same sentiment then that would be the ideal ending to the affair, but as long as KK keeps spewing malcontent, conspiracy theories and generally incendiary comments, not to mention Suarez himself, the FA need to clamp down and put them in their place.
 
Eyepopper said:
As far as I know Peter was never charged for that was he? So Fergies comments were pretty much shown to be justified.

If he had been and charged and found guilty I doubt anyone would have any problem had the book been thrown at him, and I doubt Fergie would have tried to defend it, but there's no point talking about what might have been when the bottom line is he was never charged.

I dont think Utd have a problem punishing their own players, look at the Cantona incident for proof of that, before he was even charged the club had taken action against him, and rightly so.
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Just about to use the Cantona incident - bugger!!
But again that shows how a proper club reacts, not the two bit laughable excuse that is lfc. As much as I 'hate' them as far as football goes, i'm starting to feel some pity for the more sensible supporters who must be cringing at the response of their club & players.
 
Walrus said:
United are doing the right thing by sitting back and not getting involved. If we get involved then based on current form, KK/LFC will make that out to show that it is just a Liverpool-United rivalry and agenda. Us getting involved will not achieve anything, even the most even handed, neutral press release by Fergie could be misinterpreted as sniping at a long standing rival.
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Absolutely. United and Evra have the high moral ground. Should not even mention this whole thing now. Let Liverpool keep digging a hole if they want. I don´t think Fergie should even have mentioned that he approved of the 8 game ban.
 
Fiskey said:
This article kind of helps highlight how far the game has come in terms of racism, that's from 1997 and you couldn't imagine the same things being said now without punishment.

Ferguson stands up for Schmeichel - Sport - The Independent
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I was going to make the 'the world has changed' argument but I thought it might look a bit tribal (to use the word everyone seems to love these days).

The truth is it actually has. Even the comments Guillit made, I couldn't see him making them today.
 
Eyepopper said:
I was going to make the 'the world has changed' argument but I thought it might look a bit tribal (to use the word everyone seems to love these days).

The truth is it actually has. Even the comments Guillit made, I couldn't see him making them today.
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But you have several other players saying just about the same thing in the Suarez case, so the world hasn't really changed that much.

Difference is that Schmeichel wasn't charged and Suarez was. Also Suarez admitted to using the word (but blamed cultural differences) while Schmeichel denied all accusations. Trying to compare the cases is like comparing bananas and pineapples.
 
Oliver Kay: 'Just had an interesting call. There'll be a very interesting development on this story in tomorrow's Times.'

*cue Twilight Zone music*
 
Oh, the irony.

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MUFCgal said:
I hate City, and I hate Liverpool. I respect Liverpool's history which teams gone by achieved, I don't respect their team nowdays, and I certainly don't respect them with that man in charge. He's an absolute disgrace. They go on about our manager, but he's been dignified in this and has refused to talk in depth about it. He just wants to get on with things, and let it rest.

I'm glad City beat them last night. If we're to win this league, we'll take City on ourselves. I don't want any help from those cnuts.

I hope City put them out the Carling Cup too, and they're desperate search for a trophy continues for years.
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Despite a lot of fans telling me otherwise, I can't help but totally agree with these comments.
 
Taking a wild guess, it will either be about the FA charging Liverpool for their behaviour during this or Liverpool are going to tell their side of the story.
 
Ah yes, the old "really important information that i cant tell you now and that no one else knows about will be printed soon in my £1 newspaper and online subscription website...stay tuned!!" schtick.

Good blog from a city fan about the rank hypocrisy in Kenny's "we know the truth" rant last night....and way beyond just his demand for all the facts to be released in this case up until now.

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ArmchairCritic said:
Taking a wild guess, it will either be about the FA charging Liverpool for their behaviour during this or Liverpool are going to tell their side of the story.
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If it was the FA charging them they wouldn't do it through the Times morning edition, they'd issue a press release, and if it was Liverpool's side of the story, they'd be unlikely to do it through a Murdoch rag.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Taking a wild guess, it will either be about the FA charging Liverpool for their behaviour during this or Liverpool are going to tell their side of the story.
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Liverpool have nothing. If they did, they'd have appealed. The worst that could happen from our end is if SAF has decided to go on the warpath when he really has no need to. And even by being the worst thing, Liverpool have given him more than enough ammunition for it to still be good. Should he so desire, he could rip the shit out of that club's disgraceful behaviour in front of the grateful media. As long as he's doesn't borrow Kenny's scriptwriter.
 
Again, why would Fergie give an interview to the Times about this? Have we not learned anything from "tune in tomorrow/at this time/buy my paper to find out what incredibly important thing I'm being unreasonably secretive about" stories in the past?

He's fishing.
 
Twigginater said:
Wish I knew what Oliver Kay is talking about.
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If it was something really noteworthy it would already have broken.

Methinks Mr. Kay is trying to create a false hype in a bid to sell a few more papers tomorrow.

Probably some hyped up reaction from a 'source'
 
Mockney said:
If it was the FA charging them they wouldn't do it through the Times morning edition, they'd issue a press release, and if it was Liverpool's side of the story, they'd be unlikely to do it through a Murdoch rag.
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:lol:, yeah it's probably about Liverpool trying to do a swap deal with Tottenham for Bale.
 
Judge Red said:
Liverpool have nothing. If they did, they'd have appealed. The worst that could happen from our end is if SAF has decided to go on the warpath when he really has no need to. And even by being the worst thing, Liverpool have given him more than enough ammunition for it to still be good. Should he so desire, he could rip the shit out of that club's disgraceful behaviour in front of the grateful media. As long as he's doesn't borrow Kenny's scriptwriter.
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Don't think SAF will say anything, we don't need to. Suarez has been charged and Evra has been vindicated, end of on our part.
 
maybe its a rework of Lawro's assertion regarding Dalglish's drinking
 
or perhaps Liverpool to sell Suarez back to a continental club?

I love speculating
 
Reporter: "OK, if a player calls someone 'negro' [Spanish pronunciation], surely the player who takes offence deserves an apology?"

Dalglish: "Ask a linguistic expert, which certainly I am not. They will tell you that the part of the country in Uruguay where he [Luis Suárez] comes from, it is perfectly acceptable. His wife calls him that and I don't think he is offended by her. We have made a statement and I think it is there for everybody to read. Luis has made a brilliant statement and we will stand by him."

I'm pretty sure even a linguistic expert could tell you that he sleeps with his wife and that on the football field in a fierce rivalry the word has no place. Dalglish is blind with ignorance :mad:
 
Laphroaig said:
Not entirely relevant perhaps, but 1/26 must be the lowest percentage of black players in the league? No wonder they want to bring in Bent.
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It really is a very white football club.
 
Perhaps he has a picture of Kenny with a Jameson bottle on the lash on top of a horse?
 
Mockney said:
They didn't need to even menton Evra if they were so stubbornly proud to concede an inch to a rival player (like they're 12)..They just needed to slip an unassuming "I'm sorry for any offense caused" just after the "in my country" bollocks. Done. But no, they couldn't even do that.

If I make a cultural gaff that offends someone the first thing I'd do is apologise, even it it's only half hearted and (here's that word again) conciliatory. It's like an instinct. It's polite and simply not being an entitled cnut.

I remember I called one of my mates half caste once when I was younger without realising it was a dodgy phrase. He didn't even rebuke me or act offended, he just said "say mixed race mate, not that" but I still felt I had to say a quick sorry, because, you know, I'm a normal person who felt a bit embarrassed I'd used a term he didn't like.

What kind of complete cretin refuses to even apologise half heartedly for saying something that even in the inquiry he admitted to being made aware he shouldn't say again? At the least this was a cultural misunderstanding. But you still apologise for misunderstandings. If you're a normal person, and especially if you're not a racist.

Martin Samuel phrased it perfectly.
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exactly Mockers. my ex is black. on my first christmas in the US in her house I was the only white guy. I used an expression when being questioned about how different things were where I came from and my sentence started with 'well you people.....' now where I come from 'you people' could refer to the neighbours or people from Cork or whatever. at the time I was actually referring to Americans. It certainly wasnt racial. Instantly by the reaction I knew my expression had caused some discomfort. My girlfriend just said 'sweetheart I know you say you people but over here we say you guys'. so I instantly said sorry and realised how what I said could be offensive given I was in a different cultural situation.

an example of a harmless term being interpretated differently given the context and differing interpretations not to mention racial undertones. Now I was in a friendly environment and was having a friendly chat. But I still knew immediately I had to opologise given I may have caused offence. Everyone moved on and we all knew there was no harm in it. This fecker called Patrice Evra black several times during a heated argument and thinks he's nothing to apologise for. it shows a complete lack of understanding and class from board level to the player on the pitch. shameful
 
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