I agree, but how would he improve our squad? I take it he's a great talent, but certain players are a better fit for certain clubs. We need players who are able to work hard and with a certain attitude/mentality, which is why we're not snapping up every player out there. No need to buy just because of the players talent, he needs to fit into our system and we have to need that certain type of player aswell.
Eden Hazard | "I am signing for Chelsea"
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I agree, but how would he improve our squad? I take it he's a great talent, but certain players are a better fit for certain clubs. We need players who are able to work hard and with a certain attitude/mentality, which is why we're not snapping up every player out there. No need to buy just because of the players talent, he needs to fit into our system and we have to need that certain type of player aswell.
I have felt for a while that he'd be signing for Chelski... let's see...
Out of our transfer league anyways...
Out of our transfer league anyways...
He'll stay with Lille for the rest of the season.
Hazard signs?
If the amount is £25m, then I think its a steal for that lad.
Hazard, Mata and Sturridge. That's quite a scary winger trio.
Torres
Mata-------------Hazard----------Sturridge
Ramires--------------Romeu
Drogba
Malouda---------Lamps---------Kalou
Essien-----------------Mikel
Mata-------------Hazard----------Sturridge
Ramires--------------Romeu
Drogba
Malouda---------Lamps---------Kalou
Essien-----------------Mikel
He would never move for £28m. Rubbish.
Hazard signs?
Yeah, the fee sounds too low. Dont think they'l let him leave for anything less than 35 even 40mil.
What is our "transfer league"?
the bebe,kleberson,djemba and ashley young are our transfer league..
Below City's, Chelsea's, Madrid's and now probably PSG's willingness to pay silly money, i would suggest. Problem is now they have set a precedent, it is becoming increasingly difficult to sign anyone for a fair or reasonable price, especially from abroad.
Most are inflated beyond any sense of reason, and i believe this is why Fergie is so reluctant to join in the madness.
So what the answer then?
Players have been going for daft money for years -and United have contricbuted to that as much as any club. Pallister, Andy Cole, Stam, Henning Berg, Rooney, Ferdinand and Keane (and I suspect others) have set various records over the years.
Seems Fergie was happy to do his bit to inflate prices when he had the cash, if it resulted in him getting the players he wanted.
I'm not suggesting its neccessary to go after every top young player but eventually they'll need to spend big to get the players they want - or risk slipping away from the other top sides in Europe.
So we are a transfer league below teams that we are better than.
Excellent - long may it continue!
Previously the top players went for top fees.
Now, average and unproven players are going for stupid money.
Of course we need to recruit players, and we do.
That's the problem as i see it.
Spot on. Its not the high fees for top quality that pisses me off. Just the average ones going for 20-30mil.
With top class players going for bargain fee's. It's the wages that seem to be the problem.
It's both imo. If we were to sign a top drawer player, which we rarely do, we are talking huge wages and a huge fee. If we sign them on a free, the wages are even bigger.
The problem is in the potential market. The likes of Gaitan, Hazard even Goetze are going to go for massive fees and still want huge wages even though they are not yet the finished article. This is the road i dont think Fergie wants to go down, if he does it once, then the precedent has been set for any future transfers, as it has with City.
This is why i see a reluctance to join the madness. The problem being, if we are not prepared to go down that route, then we are forced to fish more patiently than ever, in an ever decreasing pool.
Wages are the area where as a club we need to be more competitive. Ten years ago we were happy to spend over half our yearly profit on a transfer fee (Veron, Rooney, Rio), which would equate to roughly £65m now. Back then however wages were much lower in comparison with what the are now.
A 5 year package for one of the aforementioned three players would equate to around a years profit. Nowadays that would comfortably buy you any player who has transferred in the last 6-7 years (apart from Ronaldo).
We have the 3rd highest wage bill, only beaten by two clubs who would be fecked with their wage bills if it wasn't for their sugar daddies.
If a player, any player, wants quarter of a million a week to play for Manchester United Football Club, he can get fecked.
So is Wayne included in this?
Yes, if that's what it takes for him to remain at United, he can get fecked too.
If Fergie decided to pay any player that I'd not care, the choices in that area of the club are for those that actually know what they are doing to decide on.
Fair point.
And it does seem that they by and large refuse to pay stupid wages.
The thing is, if you do well and remain loyal to the club, you will be paid handsomely.
For those of you who want United to sign Hazard, how far should the club stretch themselves in terms of wages? £50k a week? £100k a week? £200k a week? Or even more?
I haven't followed Hazard at all, are people saying 28m is too low based on his ability or based on his release clause?
We've spent 20m+ on what, 4 occasions in 12 years? Considering two of those were Veron and Berbatov, it doesn't suggest Fergie will be itching to drop that amount on one player any time soon.
We have the third highest wage bill in England, I agree. However over the past few years our spending on transfers has dropped massively, because transfer fees are now significantly lower (pro-rata) than a decade ago, but we haven't upped our wages to compensate.
Our wage bill is probably only £25m behind Arsenal's (less if you discount trophy winning bonuses which obviously Arsenal don't have to pay!), despite our profits being roughly £65m a season more. This taking into account that Arsenal are renowned for being an incredibly tight run ship.
Usually you'd expect if the value of transfer fees halves, the wage bill would go up % wise (because clubs are taking less money, therefore the player would take more).
In answer to your question, you need to treat modern day Footballers as employee's and not fans. If I was an incredibly gifted (for instance) sales person and a 2 companies tried to poach me, money would be a big factor in where I decided to go (not the only factor, but a big one). Why the hell would and should the likes of Silva/Aguero/Toure etcetc take a pay cut to join one company over the other. In fact I would turn it around, it is implied that the company offering more has a higher opinion of your abilities and more faith in you than the company offering less.
I think people are saying 28m is too low based on the figures quoted by the media... I doubt he will go for more than 30m, between 25-30m most likely just in my opinion.
Between £50k and £100k
That's the impression I get too - but is it that unreasonable that he would go for 28m? Based on his talent, is he gonna be a top-five-in-his-position kinda player do you think? Otherwise I don't see how Lille can value him at 40m.
Employees my arse - what other employees earn £100,000 a week.
Normal working peple move jobs due to higher salaries make a difference to their lives. What difference does it make whether you earn 50, 80 or 100k?
It does make quite the difference actually, the scale is irrelevant, the players are thinking of their careers just like someone earning considerably less would.
Let me put it this way. If someone came and offered £25m for Rooney, would you even think about it? I am not saying Hazard is as good as Rooney or anything along those lines or saying Hazard is worth around £50m but merely pointing to the fact that paying £25m for a player like Hazard who is so young will be such a steal in the long run.
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