Nah, I was only joking. I've only seen him a couple of times this season and he's looked pretty comfortable, albeit I still think he's best in midfield. I don't see us buying him though. He's probably too much like Carrick to spend that much on.
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Nah, I was only joking. I've only seen him a couple of times this season and he's looked pretty comfortable, albeit I still think he's best in midfield. I don't see us buying him though. He's probably too much like Carrick to spend that much on.
Nail on head.
A midfield 2 of carrick and martinez would be too continental, for the want of a better word, for SAF's liking. dont see us going for him.
In saying that he's ready, I meant for games like last night really. Obviously he won't be thrown in against the bigger teams, but he is capable of playing a part against these teams, even if it is just from the bench. It was more aimed at the people that made their mind up that he's nowhere near ready, based on one or two games in the cup.
He's so special he'd have had already played lot of games with some lesser team in the Premiership. He's got awareness, intelligence, talent and a physique to be successful at the very top level. Anyone following the reserves will not be surprised to see his cameo last night.
Hope we get to see more of him as the season unfolds. Looks really, really talented, and last night should've given him a taste of evenings at OT.
They're probably short of defenders. Definitely wasting his best qualities playing in defence.
It was a ridiculously good cameo in the fact he looked dangerous and didn't put a foot wrong. Really showed the "reserve" Pogba rather than the "league cup" Pogba. He just played with so much confidence that he looked like a season pro out there.
Also a fantastic piece of man management by Ferguson to bring him on considering the Morrison saga. Just goes to show Pogba and all our young players that if they work hard and keep in line then they will get the chances. Now Pogba has experienced premier league life at United he would be stupid to want to leave.
Ideal for Europe. We also tend to underestimate Carrick's work when he gets forward. He's not your typical defensive midfielder.
Yep, that's fair enough.
Do you rate him above Morrison as an entire package?
Ofcourse, it'd be a great shout in europe but i dont see SAF playing those 2 in a midfield 2(specially in the league) and thats how we play most of the time. he'l be looking at a more attacking option i reckon.
Ohh and carrick is anything but a typical defensive mid. class player, have always felt so. good to see his surge for the year or so. looks far more confident.
IMO He's not better than Ravel.
Can you clarify why a bit more KM, for those of us not that well up on either of them?
Pogba is a technically excellent player, good passer, intelligent, with a good bit of flair on the ball and a cracking shot. He's not the quickest but he's rangy and athletic.
Morrison has that bit of magic that makes him stand out from the rest. He's quick, can drift past his man effortlessly. He moves with the ball in a unique way, kind of glides... not a million miles from Giggsy but different. Real imagination in the pass and a goalscorer.
Morrison has that bit of magic that makes him stand out from the rest. He's quick, can drift past his man effortlessly. He moves with the ball in a unique way, kind of glides... not a million miles from Giggsy but different. Real imagination in the pass and a goalscorer.
Pogba is the midfielder of the two. He's a very good player and technique wise he has reminded me of Scholes. I've been saying this for a while.
Morrison was just the more exciting of the two. He's an attacking midfielder that would come come out with all the tricks and that. A very smart footballer.
It's a bit like comparing Scholes and Giggs. Both great in their own right, but Giggs is the more entertaining of the two.
Fergie says alot of things mate, some you gotta take with a pinch of salt.
Morrison is more Adel Taarabt.
Whether or not the imagination and tricks makes him "better" than a proper midfielder like Pogba I personally disagree.
Whether or not the imagination and tricks makes him "better" than a proper midfielder like Pogba I personally disagree.
Nah Taarabt hasn't got a footballing brain whereas Morrison's intelligence(football) always stood out. Even when he came on in the league cup, he was always helping the defenders etc rather than standing his ground and doing feck all.
Cheers, Shame about Morrison, but iirc as you alluded to in a previous post, if he cannot be depended on to show the right attitude he will never make it here.
Hope Pogba stays, he looks a player from what little i have seen. Would be gutted to miss out on 2 such prodigious talents.
I think both Pletch and Pocco explained the comparison in much better words, mate.
The only complicated thing about Pogba's contract is whether or not United are prepared to pay him what he thinks he's worth which is, presumably, what he thinks he can get elsewhere. Sort it out Fergie - you know it makes sense!
That's exactly the comparison I've been making when talking to people on other forums/out and about. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up playing superb for a while after he debuts, leading to all the non-United fans saying "oh, SAF has let another star go." Then he'll decide he wants higher wages or decide he's too good for West Ham, go into a mega-sulk, and get dropped.
In terms of Pogba, I'm confident he'll sign a contract. He'll get more tastes of first-team action like the one he got against Stoke, and before too long he'll decide that he just cannot throw away the chance to play for us.
Edit: Looks like I've misread your post. You were comparing Morrison to Taarabt in terms of footballing style, I read it as personality.
I'm not saying he was, hence the question mark at the end of the sentence.
I'm just saying, in recent times, i've found it difficult to take anything the manager says for granted.
The one player Morrison always reminded me of was Silva. He's got that same grace on the ball and the same appreciation of space that Silva has. I don't think he uses many conventional tricks to go round players but he's got immense close control and mainly just drops his shoulder.
Pogba is skillful and has a great striking technique in both his shooting and passing. He's great at using his strength to ride challenges in midfield and turn away out of a challenge. I don't think he's as talented as Morrison but it's likely he'll end up a better player.
Pogba is skillful and has a great striking technique in both his shooting and passing. He's great at using his strength to ride challenges in midfield and turn away out of a challenge. I don't think he's as talented as Morrison but it's likely he'll end up a better player.
Not sure about Taarabt as a comparison, but it's true that Morrison's less obviously a CM than Pogba.
If he'd made it at United
, I think Morrison would have been played coming off the wing for a while at least. Certainly not in a two-man centre midfield.That said, Pogba's not very defensive
It's a great comparison, the have a similar style of play, both are moody, both tend to drift out of tougher games, both have to be accommodated into a team to fit their position, of which no-one is completely sure is their best.
Taarabt's a dribbler primarily, Morrison has way more to his game. He's not a winger - notwithstanding what I said about Fergie likely starting him from the wing. He's a central player who'd do best in the hole.
If you've not seen much of Pogba at youth or reserve level, this video pretty much sums up what he's capable of. Look out for his goal against City and the pass at 5:00, which is one of my favourites. This is why I think he reminds me of Scholes so much..
Never noticed this in Morrison's United career so far. If anything, he's been at his best in tougher games.
Agree about the position thing. I never really understood how he would fit into Fergie's preferred system. Pogba is a more obvious fit. Mind you, I think a big reason why he looked so much better last night than his previous outing was because he was playing as an extra man in midfield, with Carrick and Scholes holding things together behind him.
IMO Pogba's biggest weakness is what he does when not in possession of the ball. He's got a lot to learn before we send him out there as part of a midfield two. As the most attacking player in a midfield three, though, I think he could be brilliant for us. Most of Anderson's best attributes plus a bit more imagination in his passing and a genuine goal threat.
He said something in French to Evra when he came on
He completely shits on Anderson for passing technique. This balls that Anderson is incapable of playing over the top, into the path of a runner, are something that Pogba can do. He even played one last night to Smalling down the line. I've lost count of the amount of times Anderson has hit one of them and it has flown out for a goal kick.
Absolutely. All reports indicate he's a model professional. He'll be a beast of a player once he bulks up with age. Morrison just has that unpredictability factor to do something out of the ordinary. However, when the game does not go to his liking he tended to drift away.
Pogba has more upside in terms of what he can do on a pitch, Ravel was one of rare players who makes something happen every time he plays, to put it lazily Ravel has the X-Factor. Pogba with his physical frame and technical attributes for me has the higher ceiling, although I feel Ravel is probably more consistent. I guess Pogba fits our style of play better, though it would have been nice to have a player like Ravel come through.
He needs to be introduced slowly. Great cameo last night and would like to see more of the same if we are comfortable in the game.
Bringing him on and playing three in midfield was also a great idea. Gave him more freedom to express himself and not worry about leaving us exposed.
He's got alot to his game but certainly needs to be patient. He has had everything it takes for some while now but has to be content with appearances like last night and maybe a few in the Uefa. Like to see him try and run the midfield in a competition like that.
Very pleased with what I saw last night. Looked comfortable. Mianly because he was playing with quality either side of him which allowed him to step up.
It's alot easier doing it when you're comfortable at home granted, that all being said you have to commend what he did when he came on.
Bringing him on and playing three in midfield was also a great idea. Gave him more freedom to express himself and not worry about leaving us exposed.
He's got alot to his game but certainly needs to be patient. He has had everything it takes for some while now but has to be content with appearances like last night and maybe a few in the Uefa. Like to see him try and run the midfield in a competition like that.
Very pleased with what I saw last night. Looked comfortable. Mianly because he was playing with quality either side of him which allowed him to step up.
It's alot easier doing it when you're comfortable at home granted, that all being said you have to commend what he did when he came on.
Yep. Same in the Youth Cup games last season. Especially ipressive how he made mince meat of Josh McEachran in both legs against Chelsea. He sees space and gaps other players don't and there's that Scholes/Carrick-esque ease and simpleness with his passing.
Do think he's a bit lightweight for midfield in a lot of Premiership games though. Last night was fine as Stoke's midfield was played out of the game and he still had Scholes and Carrick backing him up. In general we'd have to be careful when and how we threw him in. The main bonus from last night was that he seemed to believe he belonged in the side. At one point he was pointing and telling Scholes where to play the ball
As for Morrison, it's a real shame as he's one of those who could basically have been as good as he wanted. He had that ability to effortlessly do things that made everyone else on the pitch look like some kind of pointless sideshow. Very few players have that kind of ability, even at United. You don't become one of the best players around if you can't even take yourself seriously though, so feck him.
His confidence to take on the ball in tight spaces, and effortlessly turn away from trouble and find a good pass was impressive.
Different kettle of fish when we're under the kosh, and need to push forward for a goal though. In an intense PL game, with the score locked at 0-0, in a two-man midfield with us looking for the opener, would he look as comfortable? Well obviously not, but would he cope?
Different kettle of fish when we're under the kosh, and need to push forward for a goal though. In an intense PL game, with the score locked at 0-0, in a two-man midfield with us looking for the opener, would he look as comfortable? Well obviously not, but would he cope?
Ferguson hopeful over Pogba deal - Sport, Breaking News - Independent.ie
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson is still hopeful of retaining young midfielder Paul Pogba.
The 18-year-old was introduced for his Barclays Premier League debut in United's win over Stoke on Tuesday as Ferguson opted to give Pogba some valuable experience.
And Ferguson admitted he was impressed with his performance, telling the BBC: "Pogba did very well."
It was a notable move on the day Ravel Morrison quit for West Ham and comes at a time when United are still trying to persuade Pogba to sign a new contract.
Italian giants Juventus are among the clubs who have expressed an interest in the French teenager, whom Ferguson has previously advised not to follow the money trail because if he makes it at Old Trafford, Pogba will be a very wealthy young man.
The United boss confirmed talks were continuing and he was hopeful of a positive resolution.
"The boy has great talent and tremendous physique for an 18-year-old," he said. "You can't believe it.
"We are negotiating his contract at the moment.
"It is a bit complicated at the moment because he has changed his agent a couple of times.
"But the boy wants to stay, that is obvious. Hopefully we can get it done soon."
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson is still hopeful of retaining young midfielder Paul Pogba.
The 18-year-old was introduced for his Barclays Premier League debut in United's win over Stoke on Tuesday as Ferguson opted to give Pogba some valuable experience.
And Ferguson admitted he was impressed with his performance, telling the BBC: "Pogba did very well."
It was a notable move on the day Ravel Morrison quit for West Ham and comes at a time when United are still trying to persuade Pogba to sign a new contract.
Italian giants Juventus are among the clubs who have expressed an interest in the French teenager, whom Ferguson has previously advised not to follow the money trail because if he makes it at Old Trafford, Pogba will be a very wealthy young man.
The United boss confirmed talks were continuing and he was hopeful of a positive resolution.
"The boy has great talent and tremendous physique for an 18-year-old," he said. "You can't believe it.
"We are negotiating his contract at the moment.
"It is a bit complicated at the moment because he has changed his agent a couple of times.
"But the boy wants to stay, that is obvious. Hopefully we can get it done soon."
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