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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
I don't see a type 45 destroyer, one of the most advanced warships in terms of aerial defence on the planet, sailing in the Persian Gulf, do you?
I don't get your point! The Iranian navy are no threat!
I just looked at the list of active ships in the US Navy. Holy balls...
It would appear to be a cartoon character with no particular relevance.
And it was miss-spelled, yeah.
Yes, they probably have too many. The US Navy probably have more aircraft than the RAF do!
It's not a cartoon character, it's a puppet.
Yep, though that will take a while imo. And Obama has set out the US' stall early with their words and actions in the Pacific.
That's a bit different though, an asymmetrical war, fought against well trained opposition, in a terrain that has made Afghanistan historically almost impossible to invade and occupy. We've fought 10 years to remove a group from power, in a country where it is almost impossible to do so, only to almost certainly see them have at least some role in government within the next few years. What a shambles.
The US Navy's 'airforce'.....is larger than any actual airforce (other than the USA's) on the planet.
Their military is unrivaled.
And when we sent the Renown and the Repulse out to the East there was no threat there, eh?
The technology on-board an anti-aircraft vessel like the 45 has improved enormously since the Falklands. Unfortunately, so has the anti-ship missile.
I've said "The Iranian navy are no threat!"
What does it want an anti-ship missile for (which it actually can carry)? Especially considering that it's probably shadowed by a Trafalgar or Astute class submarine?
You are missing the point, which is why send a 45 class destroyer to the Falklands in the first place? It's cock waving and aggravating the situation for no reason! Are the 4 Typhoons not enough as air defence?
What does it want an anti-ship missile for (which it actually can carry)? Especially considering that it's probably shadowed by a Trafalgar or Astute class submarine?
You are missing the point, which is why send a 45 class destroyer to the Falklands in the first place? It's cock waving and aggravating the situation for no reason! Are the 4 Typhoons not enough as air defence?
It is just a ship on rotation, something we have done for decades now.
The only people creating the issue are the Argentines - they're the ones banging on about colonialism out of the blue to divert attention from their own problems.
Talk about acting in an immature fashion throwing big words around.
quite right we always have a ship out there and it is simply replacing one that has just completed it's tour, the Argentines are really pissing me off with their crying they have already tried taking land that wasn't theirs by force they failed so just let it go.
what? outrageous!!! barbarians!!! how dare they??? england has never done such thing
and the crying is about your country sending nuclear weapons to the south atlantic
Now there's an idea!!!
what? outrageous!!! barbarians!!! how dare they??? england has never done such thing
and the crying is about your country sending nuclear weapons to the south atlantic
There's a difference between a nuclear powered sub and a sub equipped with nuclear weapons.
Your President doesn't seem to be aware of that fact though.
the president might be wrong about the armaments the ships are bringing, but i'm certain she know the difference between both
And I got laughed at for suggesting that very thing.
It was claimed a few years ago that the French gave us the Exocet codes to prevent us from nuking Cordoba should we have lost the war.
Another stellar argument against nuclear weapons.
i know, one of the low points of your life, an oportunity missed to fried some humans
but you might console yourself by the knowlledge that maggie was starving some persons in the UK
The atomic bomb is the single most important invention of the 20th century - we have gone seventy years without a war between world powers directly for that reason alone.
yeah, we are all happy
you just used other countries to settle your arguments against other powers
what a fantastic invention!
The United Kingdom has the right to defend herself with any means necessary, I always find it amusing how Argentines get angry about the sinking of the Belgrano - don't go to war with us by invading our soil if you don't want reprecussions. Argentina is the only country in the last seventy years dumb enough to attack a nuclear weapons state.
The proxy wars of the mid to late twentieth century were initiated by Soviet and Chinese backed states so look to Moscow and Beijing if you want somebody to blame for them. Would you have rathered that we allowed North Korea to conquer South Korea and North Vietnam to conquer South Vietnam without responding?
Nope, you just act with impunity elsewhere. Great news for the rest of us.
And the invention of the most destructive weapon in human history>>antibiotics, effective vaccines (including the elimination of one disease and the near elimination of another), cancer treatments, medical insulin and drugs to allow effective organ transplantation.
Truly remarkable stuff Brian.
yes wayne
may i call you "john"?
Call me what you like, but Argentina has no right to get angry about what happened and what could have happened in a war that they started.
Yep. When you France and Israel were humbled by the US in 56, that was initiated by China and the USSR.
yes, you see TBGB? we are not taught history the way you are, we dont buy the "they started, we retaliated" line that the west and the east have tried for ever
but i'm certain of two things:
1st you wont change your mind
2nd i don't want you to change it, i'll lost the amusement i get by reading your propaganda
sorry
More lives have been saved by world wars being consigned to history than due to the inventions that you listed.
What part of North Korea and China launching a surprise invasion of South Korea do you not understand and the same regarding Vietnam.
That is before we talk about the likes of blockading West Berlin, to be followed by the closing of East Berlin - both of which ran contrary to the agreements between the great powers following World War Two.
so if i don't kill you i save you?
thank you!!!
25 million died in the First World War, 60 million died in the Second World War - it doesn't take a genius to work out that if the West went to war with Russia in Europe that the death toll would have been just as bad.
Wow Brian, just...wow.
Let me put it this way. Medical inventions will always save more lives than any hypothetical bull about a destructive weapons system. I'm not sure you quite understand the amount of lives lost to infectious diseases before these kinds of things came up.
To give you a nice indictaion of this, the Spanish flu in 1918 killed 50-100 million people. Yep, only bested by the second world war (and then only if you use the lower estimates).
And France and Germany aren't at each others' throats anymore, not because Germany is shitting herself at the prospect of France unleashing her nukes but because it is neither of their economic interests to do so.
the part were america have feck to do in a place 20000 miles from them
The bubonic plague wiped out 100million people....approximately 25% of the world's population.
If I had the choice between medical advancements and having nukes so that the world powers don't go to war with each other (instead, fighting it out in our lands through 'proxies') I know which one I'd choose.
If I had the choice between medical advancements and having nukes so that the world powers don't go to war with each other (instead, fighting it out in our lands through 'proxies') I know which one I'd choose.
and the spanish flu? a lot more, and it was in the last century
but let TBGB masturbate while watching an A bomb pic
They are not world powers either.
Already covered the Spanish flu a few posts up.
ooops. my bad!
The Spanish flu pandemic lasted from 1918 to 1919, although Price-Smith's data suggest it may have begun in Austria in the Spring of 1917.[30] Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people[31] while current estimates say 50 million to 100 million people worldwide were killed.[25] This pandemic has been described as "the greatest medical holocaust in history" and may have killed as many people as the Black Death,[32] although the Black Death is estimated to have killed over a fifth of the world's population at the time,[33] a significantly higher proportion. This huge death toll was caused by an extremely high infection rate of up to 50% and the extreme severity of the symptoms, suspected to be caused by cytokine storms.[31] Indeed, symptoms in 1918 were so unusual that initially influenza was misdiagnosed as dengue, cholera, or typhoid. One observer wrote, "One of the most striking of the complications was hemorrhage from mucous membranes, especially from the nose, stomach, and intestine. Bleeding from the ears and petechial hemorrhages in the skin also occurred."[25] The majority of deaths were from bacterial pneumonia, a secondary infection caused by influenza, but the virus also killed people directly, causing massive hemorrhages and edema in the lung.[29]