Just a quick question- from which scenario Pogba's agent would benefit more? Pogba staying or leaving? Or is it a guesswork here?
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I read something that we wouldn't give the agent a renewal fee, which we don't have to, but as well as offering Pogba more money, Juve were going to pay the agent as well. My guess would be Juve.
Leaving, nice little bonus for him.
if that's the case why not pay the agent and seal the deal ASAP? Having said that- why just don't shoot the fecker and donate the money to Oxfam.
That Mino Raiola twitter account, on Feb 12, said
Mino Raiola @MRaiola
@bardstein Pogba is going to Juventus. But its not sure.
I'd have thought that would have been all over this place at the time. This can't be a real twitter.
Mino Raiola @MRaiola
@bardstein Pogba is going to Juventus. But its not sure.
I'd have thought that would have been all over this place at the time. This can't be a real twitter.
He goes or radio and TV to talk about them.
Wow. It's quite amazing. I honestly can't believe Pogba has ended up with him. The guy is quite clearly a gold digger and not good for anyone's career bar his own.
Pogba and his agent benefit from a scenario where competition for his signature is at its highest because that's how he'll get the best deal.
A signing as in a contract offer.
Is this what Jerry Maguire would have been like of it was made now?
Rod Tidwell has just tweeted, "Show me the money".
Rod Tidwell has just tweeted, "Show me the money".
Interesting article here: The Faithful
Can't copy and paste it on my iPhone. Written by someone who knows what he's talking about.
feck me, so is this the guy who was your supposed source?
Didn't he said that we're gonna sign Sanchez?
What surprises me is how many players are stupid enough to believe their agents have their best interests at heart.
Considering Pique started featuring for Barca right away I think it's pretty safe to assume that he was promised playing time when he signed. At United he had Ferdinand and Vidic ahead of him, and Evans to compete with when either of the missed a game. Go back to your boyhood club and play every week or stay at United and maybe play once a month? Hardly a tough choice.
You can't really compare Pogba's situation to that. There's a lot more rotation in the midfield and Giggs and Scholes aren't getting younger. If he decides to stay at United I don't think it's unreasonable to think the number of games he'll play next season will be in double digits. Pique was also 21 when he made the switch and Pogba is just turning 19 in a few weeks. Of course his first team experience isn't great when he's just 18.
Of course you can't predict whether we'll sign another midfielder or not, but considering United's and Ferguson's history with giving young players a chance I think it's highly unlikely that a special talent like Pogba won't get a proper chance.
No and I've no idea. Wasn't that that yolkie guy? I don't know who he is but he's obviously been told the same as me. I've never been on that site before. It is just possible though that some people do actually know what goes on at united though. We have this huge assumption on here that everyone who claims to know anything about events at united is talking shit for attention, but it's pretty likely that, given the number of employees that the club have that a lot of people in the area either work for the club or know someone who does. You get to know the genuine ones from the dross simply by virtue of them getting things right. Partytown on ri for example clearly has links to the club.
The person in question told me about fletcher's illness weeks before it became public knowledge and I have private message conversations in my inbox on here proving that. He told me that Morrison was a goner about a fortnight before we binned him too.
Hopefully we told him to sign what's offered or get fecked.
The cheek of the cnut!
The cheek of the cnut!
I'm not sure I want him to sign now anyway..
Say he signs the extension, we'll have to pay him as much as anyone else would pay him every time or risk him fecking off for more money every time his contract is about to expire.. feck the greedy cnut, don't need that kind of players at the club.
Say he signs the extension, we'll have to pay him as much as anyone else would pay him every time or risk him fecking off for more money every time his contract is about to expire.. feck the greedy cnut, don't need that kind of players at the club.
Why do some of us even assume that Pogba is getting influenced by Raiola ? For all we know, he might be the one instigating everything after all.I don't think a player would let his agent talk that way about him on twitter if he didn't agree with him in the first place.
If he doesn't sign I hope the club hang the agent out to dry. Release some kind of statement along the lines of:
"It is with great sadness that we announce Paul Pogba's decision to leave the club to pursue his football with XXX. As a club we have watched Paul develop through the youth and then reserve teams, into a full time spot with the first team squad. We offered him a contract that was generous and in line with out youth team graduates such as Tom Cleverley, however after changing agents to Reno Maiola, he was not amenable to any deal that didn't not involve direct fees to his agent.
As a club we believe that footballing contracts should be only about the player and the club, and therefore refuse to pay any explicit agent fees, especially as part of a contract renewal. It is our belief that agents are rewarded as part of their contract with a player, and that a player's career decisions should not be concerned with how their agent may profit.
We are disappointed and wish Paul all the best."
"It is with great sadness that we announce Paul Pogba's decision to leave the club to pursue his football with XXX. As a club we have watched Paul develop through the youth and then reserve teams, into a full time spot with the first team squad. We offered him a contract that was generous and in line with out youth team graduates such as Tom Cleverley, however after changing agents to Reno Maiola, he was not amenable to any deal that didn't not involve direct fees to his agent.
As a club we believe that footballing contracts should be only about the player and the club, and therefore refuse to pay any explicit agent fees, especially as part of a contract renewal. It is our belief that agents are rewarded as part of their contract with a player, and that a player's career decisions should not be concerned with how their agent may profit.
We are disappointed and wish Paul all the best."
If we signs for us and then changes agents, then we might be fine?
why not? During negotiations, there's a lot of bluff going on. Not to mention that Pogba is still very young and, perhaps too immature to deal with someone like raiola
So once a player gets an agent, their parents just don't care about their kids' footballing career and where he plays because the agents take care of these stuff? I mean you might not be knowledgable about football and contracts in general, but surely you can offer a little advise to your kid.
If he leaves don't be surprised. He did the same shit to his last club.
I wonder. I'd say that statement is just plain honest. The equivalent of saying Juve would have to give Pogba an offer they can't refuse if they really want Pogba to leave United.
You may be right but I just don't see how a player could let an agent toy with his career basically without giving his input.The way I see it (I may be wrong) is that Raiola would ask Pogba how far he'd want him to go during the negotiations
That Raiola account is a bit odd. It reads as if it was written by a spastic teenager but on the other hand he answers in three different languages - which fits Raiola's profile.
It could also work in our favour to sign him on now and develop him some more, enter contract negotiations earlier next time so we can decide to sell him for a good profit or get him signed on.
As things stand, he could leave for a nominal fee/compensation which would make the compensation fee we paid for him + time and money invested in him pretty pointless.
re: agents
It seems that some agents are 'more closely linked'to some clubs than others.
In the case of Raiola he s very close to AcMilan. He helped them sign Ibrahimovic for a relatively small fee.
Then there was the case of another client of his - Balotelli who when still with Inter, has publicly claimed that he would like to play for their arch rivals - Ac Milan.
In a way he s a bit like Joorbachian and i dont think Fergie likes the circus surrounding the likes of Balotelli, Ibrahimovic and Tevez.
Perhaps Fergie suspects that Pogba might end up like these under the 'guidance' of Raiola.
It seems that some agents are 'more closely linked'to some clubs than others.
In the case of Raiola he s very close to AcMilan. He helped them sign Ibrahimovic for a relatively small fee.
Then there was the case of another client of his - Balotelli who when still with Inter, has publicly claimed that he would like to play for their arch rivals - Ac Milan.
In a way he s a bit like Joorbachian and i dont think Fergie likes the circus surrounding the likes of Balotelli, Ibrahimovic and Tevez.
Perhaps Fergie suspects that Pogba might end up like these under the 'guidance' of Raiola.
i think some people find it easier to set the agent up as the bad guy
30%?!! Where you getting that?! That just cannot be true!
It ain't the same.
The club needs to take a look at its contract policy for the future. We have put ourselves in awful situations recently by not giving renewals while the ball is still in our court so to speak. We've got to the point where the standard is leaving it late and giving the player/agent all the bargaining power and we risk losing players on a free.
If he wants to go, let him go. If the club want him to stay and he still goes, it will burn a bit, but let him go. It just seems we could nip these situations in the bud if we really wanted to.
If he wants to go, let him go. If the club want him to stay and he still goes, it will burn a bit, but let him go. It just seems we could nip these situations in the bud if we really wanted to.
Why is it not?
Personally I don't see the sense in any club waiting to renew a players deal in his last year. That puts all the power in his court. Arsenal have kept doing it and have paid a hefty price. I don't see why United seem to be following suit. It's an extremely stupid policy.
Maybe that's exactly what they do care about. If they have some reason to feel he won't get any playing time why wouldn't they look for a move. All they really need to do is look recent history and they'll probably push him elsewhere. Eagles, Pique, Rossi, just to name a couple that were labeled the next great thing and had a hard time getting games. Maybe Welbeck can have a chat with him though.
But wouldn't you want your son to be coached by someone who is the best around? Okay you give me some examples of who did not make it but think of all the youngsters who made it. We have a higher percentage of that.
Do you mean made it in our squad? Or just as top level players? Because we don't currently have loads of players on the team that came up. And I mean recently. Yes we all know about Giggs, Scholes, et al. But who else besides Welbeck? Evans I guess. But outside of that you look around the league and see loads of players that came through our system then never made the team. So if a Juve comes calling you'd probably think very hard about it.
Glazernomics.. The longer you delay a pay rise, the less you have to pay in wages over the course of a career. I bet they are thrilled to get his £10k or whatever per week off the wage bill.
^ That's what I think happens.
I don't have a problem with obesity, ethnic groups or oily substances, never had, never will. That being said I hope this fat greasy haired Italian cnut dies in a freak yachting accident.
Your talking about a 16 year old..at the time and there are plenty of 16 year old kids that move, and why not when it's to a bigger club?
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