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He's a sight to behold when he's in full flow,

Really?

and was key to our ridiculous form at the start of the season.

Not Really all him now was it, its easy to look good when every single player around you is buzzing.
 
I don't think we'll sell him either. Didn't he sign a 5 year deal in 2011? For the money we'd get for him, it would be just as beneficial to keep him as a squad player. The money we paid for him has already gone and he seems happy enough here. Not often Fergie sells players who are happy being part of the squad. So he hasn't lived up to his promise just yet for whatever reason, if we kept him for 10 years £15m wouldn't seem like such a terrible deal.
 
Cina said:
Hardly dramatic at all. What's he done here in his 5 years to suggest he'll be worth a club splashing out 15m on him? There are far more viable options for clubs with wealth like that out there. We'd get 10m at an absolute max, if we're lucky

I hope we don't resort to selling him though
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The fact you hope we don't sell him is exactly why someone might take a punt on him, and why someone might even breach the £10m mark. You've obv seen potential in wanting to keep him. Others might see the same.
 
mr.suave said:
No he isn't.

He's a sight to behold when he's in full flow, and was key to our ridiculous form at the start of the season. He's just perennially fecking injured.
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Massive overstatement, in truth.
 
Last year when there was that rumour about him going to Arsenal I was sickened. But this season is probably the straw the breaks the camel's back as far as I'm concerned. Not calling for him to go, and still see potential there. But the thought of him going no longer sickens me.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Really?
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Yes. When he's playing well the weighting of his passing is amazing, so is his ability to beat men in midfield. Admittedly, we haven't seen much of that recently, but suffering a constant stream of long-term injuries tends to have that effect...

Not Really all him now was it, its easy to look good when every single player around you is buzzing.
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Obviously not, you tit, but he was one of our standout performers. The first few weeks of the season was the best football we've played in years IMO, and the passing and movement in the middle of the park (courtesy of him and Cleverley) was a massive contributor to that.
 
Maciek said:
James Ducker from The Times:

"Anderson suffered hamstring injury in training and could now miss rest of season."

Seems he ends this season with only 16 appearances.
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This thread now feels like the Hargreaves thread.

I see it bumped, get my hopes up, then get depressed.
 
mr.suave said:
The first few weeks of the season was the best football we've played in years IMO, and the passing and movement in the middle of the park (courtesy of him and Cleverley) was a massive contributor to that.
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I agree with that in essence, tho it might be a slight exaggeration the sentiment is broadly correct. But it didn't go on for long enough to read too much into it. Certainly wouldn't be ready to bet the farm on them as a long term pairing, even setting injuries aside. Not yet.
 
mr.suave said:
No he isn't.

He's a sight to behold when he's in full flow, and was key to our ridiculous form at the start of the season. He's just perennially fecking injured.
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mr.suave said:
Yes. When he's playing well the weighting of his passing is amazing, so is his ability to beat men in midfield. Admittedly, we haven't seen much of that recently, but suffering a constant stream of long-term injuries tends to have that effect...


Obviously not, you tit, but he was one of our standout performers. The first few weeks of the season was the best football we've played in years IMO, and the passing and movement in the middle of the park (courtesy of him and Cleverley) was a massive contributor to that.
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No need for name calling.

Saying he was a joy to behold is almost comparing his performances to that of Silva or Iniesta. It's a big overstatement. I've honestly never seen him play at an amazing level. He's been very good at times and shown glimpses of why he could be one of the best around, but that's about it.

People always got overly excited when it came to Anderson.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
I agree with that in essence, tho it might be a slight exaggeration the sentiment is broadly correct. But it didn't go on for long enough to read too much into it. Certainly wouldn't be ready to bet the farm on them as a long term pairing, even setting injuries aside. Not yet.
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I honestly don't think it is that much of an exaggeration, although, yeah, maybe it was too short-lived to draw any meaningful conclusions. I like this article by David Pleat from around that time, though, it kind of echoes my thoughts: The Guardian | Improving Anderson is crucial to Manchester United's dominance

Anyway, my overall point is that the guy's got talent in abundance, he just hasn't had the platform to deliver on a regular basis because he's constantly on the treatment table. Also, people on here shouldn't write him off prematurely. It happened to the likes of Fletcher, Evans and Nani and people ended up with egg on their faces.
 
mr.suave said:
I honestly don't think it is that much of an exaggeration, although, yeah, maybe it was too short-lived to draw any meaningful conclusions. I like this article by David Pleat from around that time, though, it kind of echoes my thoughts: The Guardian | Improving Anderson is crucial to Manchester United's dominance

Anyway, my overall point is that the guy's got talent in abundance, he just hasn't had the platform to deliver on a regular basis because he's constantly on the treatment table. Also, people on here shouldn't write him off prematurely. It happened to the likes of Fletcher, Evans and Nani and people ended up with egg on their faces.
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I've never written him off, he's frustrated the absolute shit out of me but I still feel he can become really good (not one of the very, very best in truth), but he's never really completely smashed trough the better teams like Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes etc tended to do at his age and younger. He hasn't been a joy to behold, but he has shown, at times, that it's too early to write him off because the talent is in him.

Nani was very much like Anderson, glimpses of magic but overall very frustrating, but you could see the talent there and that's why I always stuck by him. The difference? Nani wasn't fat, he bulled up, stopped getting injured and by the time he was 23 he became absolutely awesome and justified the wait. Will the same happen with Anderson? It's less likely, for me.
 
When fit and in form he's a very good player to watch. The only problem is that doesn't happen often enough be that due to injuries or what some people believe his attitude towards training etc.

He's still only young and I really hope we don't offload him as I still think he can come good given hard work and a bit of luck on the injury front.

Plus he's a loveable character :)
 
OK, I'm bored of arguing about Anderson, so this is my last post.
Cina said:
No need for name calling.
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Suppose not. Was a shit point, though.
Saying he was a joy to behold is almost comparing his performances to that of Silva or Iniesta.
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Come off it, all you've done here is given a pretty general phrase a ridiculously narrow and subjective definition.

When he's bombing up and down the pitch he is a sight to behold, at least in my opinion. Think of the Champions League semi-final when he was chasing a hattrick, picking the ball up, driving with it and generally just tearing around. That's the kind of play that gets me on the edge of my seat, and it's a pity we don't see it more frequently.

...And quickly in response to your last post, yeah I think he's missed the boat on being one of the top few players in the world, but he's not really that far off being a shit hot midfielder. Just needs a relatively injury-free season or Fergie's finally gonna lose patience and ship him out.
 
mr.suave said:
I honestly don't think it is that much of an exaggeration, although, yeah, maybe it was too short-lived to draw any meaningful conclusions. I like this article by David Pleat from around that time, though, it kind of echoes my thoughts: The Guardian | Improving Anderson is crucial to Manchester United's dominance

Anyway, my overall point is that the guy's got talent in abundance, he just hasn't had the platform to deliver on a regular basis because he's constantly on the treatment table. Also, people on here shouldn't write him off prematurely. It happened to the likes of Fletcher, Evans and Nani and people ended up with egg on their faces.
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Yeah, he was brilliant in that particular game.

That's what I find so depressing about the season he's just had. I think his performance level in those opening games was the best of his United career. Way better than the mythically over-hyped "shits on Fabregarse" games from his debut season.

I really thought he had done a Nani and was about take his game to the next level, fulfilling all his early promise. Such a shame it's all gone tits up since.
 
Meh, I've never seen him be a 'joy to behold', we obviously have different opinions on what that is so no point arguing it.
 
There have been flashes of what he can do in his time with us but the truth is that even if we let him go I wouldn't be as worried about him becoming a top player elsewhere as I would be with a lot of the other players at the club. Hopefully he can pull it all together here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us ship him at the end of the season.
 
at the age of 24 (almost) - one should expect him to understand the concept of the defensive part of a midfielders job. But he is not a lot better now than he was 3 years ago.

He is the kind of player who can do a job - but he will always be dependant on a Carrick-type of player behind him.
 
he has rotten fitness levels - if it comes down to him or a new ctr mid flog him off. get what you can for him asap. he's a crock. he looks a fatty so it's no wonder he pulls something - surprised it's actually muscle.
 
Cina said:
Oh not you again :)

We obviously have different definitions of 'a joy to behold'
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If according to you calling a player's style a joy to behold means he is as good a player as Iniesta or Silva, there is a serious problem with your definition.

That's the bit I have a problem with rather than your thoughts on Anderson
 
mr.suave said:
Yes. When he's playing well the weighting of his passing is amazing, so is his ability to beat men in midfield. Admittedly, we haven't seen much of that recently, but suffering a constant stream of long-term injuries tends to have that effect...


Obviously not, you tit, but he was one of our standout performers. The first few weeks of the season was the best football we've played in years IMO, and the passing and movement in the middle of the park (courtesy of him and Cleverley) was a massive contributor to that.
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so he is a good passer of the ball, big deal. Maybe its just me but I think that every player at United should be a good passer of the ball. Other than 1 game against Liverpool I cant remember Anderson being a stand out performer. He doesnt provide a goal threat either. He is soemtimes very sluggish and I couldnt see him hauling United through tough games the way Keane or Scholes could.
Anderson was in a team at the start of the season that was firing on all cylinders, doesnt take a lot to look good does it. Yes he played well but so did evryone else and to say that the good form was down to Just Anderson and Cleverly is a bit dumb now isnt it.
Dont get me wrong, Anderson is a decent player but for me, not good enough to become a lynchpin in the first 11, unless he improves rapidly. We are waiting for 5 years now and for one reason or another he hasnt developed into this "stand out" player you and some people think he is.

I hope he does become the midfield legend that we all want but I cant see it.

You Tit. :smirk:
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
If according to you calling a player's style a joy to behold means he is as good a player as Iniesta or Silva, there is a serious problem with your definition.

That's the bit I have a problem with rather than your thoughts on Anderson
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Maybe I defined it wrong, but I wasn't referring to their style. I was referring to performances. I've never seen Anderson out in a performance that was a joy to behold, i.e. Dominated a team. Glimpses here and there but that's about it. Using the likes of Iniesta was a bad example. More so players like Rooney and Ronaldo who regulary annihilated teams by his age, they were 'a joy to behold'.

But anyway, he's never done a lot that's made me go 'wow, that's special', more show shown glimpses of what he could do in the future.
 
McGrathsipan said:
so he is a good passer of the ball, big deal. Maybe its just me but I think that every player at United should be a good passer of the ball. Other than 1 game against Liverpool I cant remember Anderson being a stand out performer. He doesnt provide a goal threat either. He is soemtimes very sluggish and I couldnt see him hauling United through tough games the way Keane or Scholes could.
Anderson was in a team at the start of the season that was firing on all cylinders, doesnt take a lot to look good does it. Yes he played well but so did evryone else and to say that the good form was down to Just Anderson and Cleverly is a bit dumb now isnt it.
Dont get me wrong, Anderson is a decent player but for me, not good enough to become a lynchpin in the first 11, unless he improves rapidly. We are waiting for 5 years now and for one reason or another he hasnt developed into this "stand out" player you and some people think he is.

I hope he does become the midfield legend that we all want but I cant see it.

You Tit. :smirk:
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one fact is that Fergie saw enough in him to renew his contract, praising him in the process.

He seems to take a long time to come back from these injuries...and then he is injured again.

Pity. Because when he is playing regularly, he does look the business.
 
he is nearly 6 years here.

he's made 80 odd appearances in that time, more than a 1/4 of which were in his first season, and other than last season his appearance rate drops every season and looks to be even lower this season. He has scored 4 times.

For one reason or another he hasnt developed. How long do we persevere with "potential" ? How long do we wait until he comes good? How long is a piece of string?
 
jdmufc said:
can't see too many being upset if we got rid of this lad
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What?! I would!

With Giggs and Scholes on really borrowed time, and when they are gone, Carrick is hardly a youngster, we still have more than enough space in a 25 man squad for Anderson. And thats still the case if we invest in 2 new midfielders in the summer.

He is drilled in the United way, loves playing for us and has proven he can put in world class performances, albeit inconsistently, and that largely driven because of consistent (& unlucky) injuries.

Having invested the transfer fee, wages and coaching time on him, as well as the fact that he is now approaching his prime years, despite the frustrating injury centric past, we'd be mad to consider allowing him to leave.

I'd be very annoyed/upset if he left. Love him as much as I do, I'd prefer we allow Park to leave in the summer so he can enjoy one huge big contract back perhaps in Asia before he retires. And thats before we even consider if Fletcher will ever make a return to top level football.
 
Trigg said:
When fit and in form he's a very good player to watch. The only problem is that doesn't happen often enough be that due to injuries or what some people believe his attitude towards training etc.

He's still only young and I really hope we don't offload him as I still think he can come good given hard work and a bit of luck on the injury front.

Plus he's a loveable character :)
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He'll be 24 when he next suites up for us. Hardly young as he's a veteran with years of United training under his belt now. And we've given him years to reach the level we expected.

I thought he would be the better, between Nani and himself. Boy was I wrong.
 
He's had more than enough chances to fulfil this potential he's supposed to have in abundance. Despite the many chronic flaws in his game, he seems content with being at the same level. Does he have the desire to be one of the best players? I can't see it.
 
McGrathsipan said:
he is nearly 6 years here.

he's made 80 odd appearances in that time, more than a 1/4 of which were in his first season, and other than last season his appearance rate drops every season and looks to be even lower this season. He has scored 4 times.

For one reason or another he hasnt developed. How long do we persevere with "potential" ? How long do we wait until he comes good? How long is a piece of string?
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when he first started with us, he did have an attitude problem...ran back to Brazil even.

But Fergie persuaded him his future was here and he was effective. I certainly remember a number of MOTM nominations and he was always there.

I think the main issue with him is injuries. He was been very unfortunate with them.

I think he has what it takes to be a very good player for us.
 
sammsky1 said:
What?! I would!

With Giggs and Scholes on really borrowed time, and when they are gone, Carrick is hardly a youngster, we still have more than enough space in a 25 man squad for Anderson. And thats still the case if we invest in 2 new midfielders in the summer.

He is drilled in the United way, loves playing for us and has proven he can put in world class performances, albeit inconsistently, and that largely driven because of consistent (& unlucky) injuries.

Having invested the transfer fee, wages and coaching time on him, as well as the fact that he is now approaching his prime years, despite the frustrating injury centric past, we'd be mad to consider allowing him to leave.

I'd be very annoyed/upset if he left. Love him as much as I do, I'd prefer we allow Park to leave in the summer so he can enjoy one huge big contract back perhaps in Asia before he retires. And thats before we even consider if Fletcher will ever make a return to top level football.
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name 5 of such performances?

I cant think of any bar the game where he had starfish in his pocket against the dippers.

Anderson is a good player, no more at present, and there are those of us that thiink he has had long enough to develop into something better world class hopefully in the future. Maybe fergie sees something we dont, In fact he probably does but sometimes fergie gets it wrong too. People thought becasue Gibson was kept for so long the manager wanted him and then bang...Gibson is off. The same might be said of Anderson.

Like I said before if he makes it and becomes a top player I'll be chuffed and will take the stick for getting it wrong but I just dont see it happening. Id keep him as a good squad player for the premiership but if we want to be challenging for the European Cup we certainly need better players than Anderson.
 
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