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I'd be a bit more dissappointed than when we sold Kleberson, thats about it.

I know he was playing well at the beginning of the season but I give most of the credit for that to Cleverley who was doing a great impression of Paul Scholes, or the best he could, whilst also holding his position to allow Anderson to play all over the place.
 
He's going no where, largely because no one will pay more than a tiny fee for him based on his injury record and inconsistency
 
Cutch said:
We'd get a very small amount for him compared to what he could potentially be worth if he could manage to stay free from injury for a season. I think he's worth persevering with for that reason, for probably another season.
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I'm a huge fan of his and would be disappointed to see him leave. However, logically it is the right thing to do as putting his form aside he has not fulfilled 15 games per season due to injuries. If we put his form back in then it is v. difficult to achieve full form due to injuries.

His body can't take the training. Therefore it might be an idea to sell him. Actually I think we'd get £7-10m for him.
 
tintedsepia said:
I'm a huge fan of his and would be disappointed to see him leave. However, logically it is the right thing to do as putting his form aside he has not fulfilled 15 games per season due to injuries. If we put his form back in then it is v. difficult to achieve full form due to injuries.

His body can't take the training. Therefore it might be an idea to sell him. Actually I think we'd get £7-10m for him.
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Not if a buyer read your glowing medical report.
 
Anderson is a good player.

Be interesting to see how Kagawa develops, he looks really exciting.
 
Ando's been unlucky. He needs a full injury free season.

As for Kagawa, he just strikes me as an unselfish Fergie type player who will thrive at OT.
 
Raoul said:
Ando's been unlucky. He needs a full injury free season.
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That's how I feel too. Obviously there comes a time when you have to give up on injury prone players (like with Saha) but I still think we're a couple of seasons off that. I think we'd prefer to give him every chance and let him go for nothing at the end of his contract (a la Hargreaves) rather than give up on him and get a smallish fee that could come back to haunt us.
 
I'm always right said:
That's how I feel too. Obviously there comes a time when you have to give up on injury prone players (like with Saha) but I still think we're a couple of seasons off that. I think we'd prefer to give him every chance and let him go for nothing at the end of his contract (a la Hargreaves) rather than give up on him and get a smallish fee that could come back to haunt us.
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Yeah he's only 24 and still has his best years ahead. I'm sure having him healthy next season will be like a new signing (same as with Fletch, and another year of Scholes). That must factor into Fergie's calculus in terms of whether to splash money on a midfielder this summer or whether to wait until Scholes retires.
 
Raoul said:
That must factor into Fergie's calculus in terms of whether to splash money on a midfielder this summer or whether to wait until Scholes retires.
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I'm sure of it.

I'm desperate for us to sign a midfielder, have been for years. But... if you could promise me that Anderson and Cleverley will stay injury free, I'd actually be happy with us to stick with what we've got (assuming we bring in Kagawa of course).

The problem comes if they both have injury-striken seasons again. Twist or Stick?
 
I kind of agree with that but let's not compare Anderson with Saha, a seriously injury-prone player who always looked the business when fit.

Anderson's spent a lot less time injured than Saha and has often had long dips in form that have nothing to do with his fitness. His underwhelming contribution in the season just gone is being retrospectively portrayed as being entirely down to injuries. In reality, he started brilliantly but had a serious dip in form long before he ended up getting injured. Similar to previous season, if we're honest.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
In reality, he started brilliantly but had a serious dip in form long before he ended up getting injured. Similar to previous season, if we're honest.
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Long before? really Pogue.

What you really mean is, he had about 6 very good games, and about 3 average, and a couple of poor games before his injury. Not too different from the entire team actually.
 
Without derailing the thread I don't think Anderson is ever going to live up the the expectations I had for him. If he's here at the start of the season then that's fair enough. New season, new start.

I think Kagawa is going to be epic from what I've seen of him. Good passer, finisher and seems to make good decisions on the ball. Just what we need in the final third.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
IAnderson's spent a lot less time injured than Saha and has often had long dips in form that have nothing to do with his fitness. His underwhelming contribution in the season just gone is being retrospectively portrayed as being entirely down to injuries. In reality, he started brilliantly but had a serious dip in form long before he ended up getting injured. Similar to previous season, if we're honest.
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We've been through this before Pogue, Anderson had a brilliant second half of 2010/11, a brilliant pre-season, a brilliant opening to the season, and then a run of (at most) four or five poor games, then he got crocked. These are all the Manchester United matches that Anderson started in 2011:

West Brom A 2-1
Birmingham H 5-0
Southampton A 2-1
Man City H 2-1
Crawley H 1-0
Fulham H 2-0
Newcastle A 0-0
Everton H 1-0
Arsenal A 0-1
Schalke H 4-1
Blackpool H 4-2

City N 3-2
West Brom A 2-1
Spurs H 3-0
Arsenal H 8-2
Bolton A 5-0
Chelsea H 3-1
Stoke A 1-1
Basel H 3-3
Norwich H 2-0
Galati A 2-0
Man City H 1-6
Galati H 2-0

There were vastly more good performances than bad there, and people need to stop letting their frustration at his injuries colour their views on his quality as a footballer.
 
I'm happy to keep Anderson and hope for the best, but we can't put too many eggs in that basket. His injuries, Fletcher's fitness, questions over Cleverley, the ages of Giggs and Scholes. Too many ifs and maybes in that midfield. We need another 'certain thing' or two.
 
Raoul said:
Ando's been unlucky. He needs a full injury free season.

As for Kagawa, he just strikes me as an unselfish Fergie type player who will thrive at OT.
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Unlucky doesn't do it justice. In his short career he has broken his leg and then done his ACL. Its amazing he is still able to come back so strongly at the beginning of this season. A real shame though that the hamstring injury and other mysterious ailments have kept him out for the majority of the year.

Couldn't agree more that its so crucial for him to have an injury free year for the sake of his development. Seems everytime he is becoming a regular in the first team he succumbs to some sort of injury and it halts his progress.

Kagawa seems like the perfect fit for our club. Hopefully he won't take too much time to bed in and more importantly, help to increase the tempo of our buildup and counterattack as well as provide some creativity in the last third.
 
I think Anderson gets a lot of stick here. He has been unlucky with injuries and when he is 'fit' again, he has found it difficult to get a good run of games.

I thought Cleverly and him were brilliant when we started last season.

Still we would need one additional player to kagawa...hopefully a DM.
 
When I clicked the link I'm sure it was the Kagawa thread. Seems I've stumbled into the Anderson thread.
 
If Anderson and Cleverley can maintain their defensive composure and not wander forward together as often, I can see this shape working well.

Cleverley Anderson
Kagawa
Nani Rooney Welbeck​

If Anderson and Cleverley share the defensive and offensive responsibility it would give Kagawa a free role to cause havok in behind a front 3 that is very comfortable switching positions and dragging defenses out of shape.
 
Raoul said:
Ando's been unlucky. He needs a full injury free season.

As for Kagawa, he just strikes me as an unselfish Fergie type player who will thrive at OT.
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This. Anderson needs a run of games. We've all seen that on his day he can be a fantastic midfielder. A run of games and some confidence will do him the world of good this coming season.
 
StuCol101 said:
When I clicked the link I'm sure it was the Kagawa thread. Seems I've stumbled into the Anderson thread.
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Strange. I just clicked on the Ando thread and get people referencing Kagawa. Must be a glitch.
 
I can only try to imagine what can SAF think about this whole situation. Anderson's and midfield in general. With Pogba possibly leaving, it may get even more complicated.

Just stay out of the feckin injuries.
 
gooDevil said:
If Anderson and Cleverley can maintain their defensive composure and not wander forward together as often, I can see this shape working well.

Cleverley Anderson
Kagawa
Nani Rooney Welbeck​

If Anderson and Cleverley share the defensive and offensive responsibility it would give Kagawa a free role to cause havok in behind a front 3 that is very comfortable switching positions and dragging defenses out of shape.
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Cleverley and Anderson ahead of Carrick?

Really?

The thing is I don't see them actually being able to hold their shape. They don't have the positional discipline. And Carrick is still a better footballer than both of them.
 
Still a tiny part of me feels Anderson will be one of the top midfielder around if lucky with injuries.

But time is fast running out for him.

I just pray this is his year.
 
Comsmit said:
Cleverley and Anderson ahead of Carrick?

Really?

The thing is I don't see them actually being able to hold their shape. They don't have the positional discipline. And Carrick is still a better footballer than both of them.
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Agreed, what would have been nice to see was Carrick playing behind them. I feel they have the energy and versatility to provide decent cover and workrate either side of Carrick, but clearly not instead of him.
 
It's not his injuries that makes me unhappy, it's his blatant lack of commitment to personal fitness that really gets on my nerves now. He almost every times comes back fatter from an injury layoff. I honestly won't be surprised to see him being sold this season.

For all the criticism Fergie takes on the Caf for ruining Ando, he has never shown enough consistency and creativity to come good as a no. 10.
 
KM said:
It's not his injuries that makes me unhappy, it's his blatant lack of commitment to personal fitness that really gets on my nerves now. He almost every times comes back fatter from an injury layoff. I honestly won't be surprised to see him being sold this season.

For all the criticism Fergie takes on the Caf for ruining Ando, he has never shown enough consistency and creativity to come good as a no. 10.
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He was never meant to be a number 10. Not here anyway.

Anderson showed a lot of potential as a hustling, bustling box to box midfielder in his breakout season but he has only rarely threatened to reach the level he showed in 2007/08 at Anfield and the Emirates since then.

He played very well at the start of 2010/11 and, of course, until Cleverley got injured at the start of this season. The goal he scored at home against Spurs in our second game of the season was truly terrific.

Knowing what he's capable of when he's in that mood and vein of form I don't want to write him off. In fact part of me feels like the only thing Anderson is lacking is an arm around the shoulder.

For all his easy going attitude he's very much a confidence player who responds best when he feels he has the trust of the Boss and his team mates. I remember the Chelsea home game he got jittery early on and without something to calm his nerves his performance level dropped immensely. He's not a player who tends to respond well to being dropped similar to Nani in a sense, although Nani has learned to deal with it better.

If Ando could I think he'd be able to fulfil the potential we all saw in him 5 years ago.
 
Comsmit said:
Cleverley and Anderson ahead of Carrick?

Really?

The thing is I don't see them actually being able to hold their shape. They don't have the positional discipline. And Carrick is still a better footballer than both of them.
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Carrick only has 2 or 3 peak years left in him. I personally think Ando-Clev should start with Carrick to come on and add stability through the game. If they can keep possession well enough with the short passing and movement then we will not really need the extra defensive cover.

Remove Kagawa for Carrick and push the two forward a little bit at 65-70 mins and it's a fair strategy.. imo.
 
ghaliboy said:
Carrick only has 2 or 3 peak years left in him. I personally think Ando-Clev should start with Carrick to come on and add stability through the game. If they can keep possession well enough with the short passing and movement then we will not really need the extra defensive cover.

Remove Kagawa for Carrick and push the two forward a little bit at 65-70 mins and it's a fair strategy.. imo.
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Don't think so mate, you need people who are defensively strong in the midfield, it's not enough to just have good possession players. Barca could get rid of busquets and play xavi and fabregas in the middle, freeing iniesta to go back to attacking midfield if it was just enough to have possessing players. And xavi is much better defensively that clev or ando and either of them are probably as useful as fabregas there. But they haven't and they most likely won't.
 
The thing with Anderson is even at his best he's still not good enough, the fact he is very rarely at his best makes his inclusion in the squad even more pointless. I really hope we sell him and I dont often say that about a United player
 
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