I believe you said something similar about Spurs and Chelsea last season.
Luka Modric / Signs for Real Madrid
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Have we found out why Harry was sacked/left? I've not really followed the situation but my first thought is that he was told certain players had to be sold and he wasn't happy. Spurs signing Sigurdson was pretty mediocre if you ask me and im thinking they don't have much money to spend. I don't see Spurs making any steps forward this summer, probably backwards.
We're not unpredictable like Chelsea though. With Fergie in charge and the superior squad we have to that Chelsea one, I'd be shocked if you fall any lower than 3rd. You have no real logic here. It's all what if with you. You can't really back anything up and just use hypothetical situations.
Harry was sacked (he didn't just leave), partly because Levy got fed up with him flirting with the England job (and the resultant slump in form that followed), and partly because he then got fed up with Harry's public negotiating style about wanting an improved contract ... especially when he had previously been ready to ditch Spurs for the England job.
However, since then it seems an addtional reason has emerged: the decks are being cleared for some big changes this summer ....
We haven't signed Sigurdsson yet - and he may decide to opt for his old manager and go to Liverpool for all I know.
Source?
Bitterness at what exactly? That you follow Spurs? I can assure you I am not bitter about that. No Manchester United fan would be, I follow the biggest club in the world you follow the 2nd biggest club in North London. Perhaps you feel I am bitter about Modric being a Spurs player/not coming to United? Again thats not the case at all. I don't want us to over pay for any player, sure if we could get him for £25M or so I would be delighted, he is a great player and more importantly he is PL proven.
You have an air of delusional smugness about you here on this board constantly, but based on what exactly? Spurs are a good team of late, but still a selling club/stepping stone to bigger clubs. Thats not bitterness from me at all, thats just facts.
Spot the irony ...
Yeah I said they'd finish above Spurs last season and it'd have probably been true if they hadn't put all their eggs in one basket towards the end of season. United are much more stable than Chelsea though, we haven't finished lower than 3rd in the last two decades while Spurs have never been top 3 in PL era, have they?
Still it'll be Chelsea in next year's Champions League while you play Europa League.
Any smugness I have is based on acutally being a huge club, winning trophies constantly over that last 20+ years and currently Englands most successful club, therefore its not delisional in any way, and therefore not ironic. See the difference?
Now if you can answer the question that you just skipped over: What exactly as a Spurs fan are you so smug about? I am genuinely interested to know. All I see is a big-ish PL team, who sell their best players over and over again. I guess there is no shame in it, if its happening to a far bigger club like Arsenal then what are we to expect.
Maybe you are smug that your chairman has the name of hard to deal with when selling players? Personally thats something I never want to feel smug about. I'd leave that to the selling clubs.
Spurs 
Best supported club in the World, therefore biggest.
Pretty simple formula really.
He was saying they were title challengers twice in the past when everyone told him they didn't have a chance. Only last season he was telling us halfway through it that 'it is not certain Man Utd will finish higher than Spurs'. They are bottlers, they bottled last season spectacularly when they looked to have had CL spot nailed on - and shouldn't blame it on Chelsea securing CL place via CL win because they were 3rd with 10 points over Arsenal at one point. Bottlers bottlers bottlers. Schooled by United twice last season too.
Spot the misunderstanding of irony.
Glaston getting people to bite. He's clearly a bit of a stupid cnut, or a WUM, or both. Why bother trying to dissect the delusional ramblings of a bitter fellow who supports Spurs but spends his time on a United forum trying to tell us that a team who finished fourth last year and didn't qualify for the Champions League are on the up, whilst a team who were half a minute away from being Champions are on the slide.
The guy is a moron. Or Harry Kewell. And they aren't exclusive.
The guy is a moron. Or Harry Kewell. And they aren't exclusive.
You admit your own smugness, yet wish to pin the same attitude on me as a criticism?
Leaving this hypocrisy aside, what have I said in this thread that is "smug"?
I've relayed information that Modric won't be sold to MUFC, that I'm glad this is the case, that Spurs have been generally improving in recent seasons, and that some good things will be coming our way this summer (along with one or two less good things). But apparently, based on your reaction, I'm only supposed to tell you what you seemingly wish to hear: that Modric is yours if Fergie wants him and that Spurs are about to collapse without him.
Oh, and I also said that, based on what I sensed last season (and based also on your recent transfer dealings, which have not been so clever in my view), it's possible (but not probable) that MUFC may find themselves this coming season scrapping it out to finish in the top 4 rather than in the customary top 2. But I again forgot that I'm only supposed to say you what you wish to hear.
My consolation is that there are some posters on here with whom it's possible to engage in genuine discussion, without the slightest downplaying/criticsm of MUFC from an opposition fan being treated as an outrageous act that merits a personal attack in response.
Now to your question: "What exactly as a Spurs fan are you so smug about?"
The answer is that I'm not "smug" about anything. Spurs have a very difficult challenge: trying to become an established top 4 club when there are 5 other clubs with much bigger incomes, two of which rely on sugar-daddies. Taking into account these 5 other clubs, IMO we've generally done well - and progressed - in recent seasons. And done it whilst building a brand new training complex and moving ahead with the new stadium project.
As a Spurs fan I can acknowledge what a terrific job Levy has done in getting us to this point, albeit with one or two bumps in the road along the way. And as a Spurs fan I can be optimistic about the club's future - even without Modric - and see that we have some really good players, one or two excellent youngsters coming up through the ranks and believe that we'll make some really good signings this summer.
If you regard all this as "smugness" then I'm afraid I can't help you.
This is certainly not true.
Prior to the start of some recent seasons, I have only said that Spurs stood a decent chance of finishing in the top 4. And then midway through last season I said it was possible (not probable) that we could finish higher than 4th.
You admit your own smugness, yet wish to pin the same attitude on me as a criticism?
Leaving this hypocrisy aside, what have I said in this thread that is "smug"?
I admit to being smug about United on occasion yes of course, but with at least reasonably understandable reasons. Look at all we have acheived in the last 20 years as a club, any smugness thats crept in is at least understandable in a United's case. I admit to that openly. However you don't, and still don't.
No. You came to the thread with that smug attitude, a la: Ha ha you're not getting our player, na na na na na...
Thats the 'problem' I have here, it's not misplaced bitterness. Why do you feel the need to come with news that we all read anyway, and already know about? We all know United won't fork out £30+M on Modric. It's a form of gloating, pure and simple, but nothing you should gloat about.
I don't mean to attack you personally, and if you feel that I apologise. I also don't mean to be 'narked' into having a go at Spurs, as I like them and have had a soft spot for them since I was a child, they've always tried to play the right way and I appreciate that. I was sickened too they lost their CL spot as they did earn it rightly.
If you want to engage with more fans here maybe try coming across a little differently with your 'information', that's my suggestion.
Where has there previously been news that Modric definitely won't be signing for Man. Utd? Because I haven't seen it. All I've seen are media reports of interest/offers/possible deals from clubs x, y and z.
Even if there has been such definitive news previously, and I've missed it, then you could say that I'm corroborating it by relaying some info. from elsewhere .... would that be so terrible?
OK, so I'm glad he isn't going to what I consider to be a rival for top 4 (even if you don't agree with this classification) - do you expect me to be sad about it?
And yes, I relayed the news with a bit of humour: "Sorry, duck's off!" But instead of going off on your "smugness" trip you might try lightening up a bit.
You don't even have to believe the info.
Why the feck is everyone talking about Young in the Modric thread?
So where is Modric going to be plying his trade come The 1st September then?
A tiny face and no shoulders!
Not a big fan of Modric, would rather prefer Moutinho.
Anyhow i think Levy is trying to hike up the price for him, come next summer he won't be worth more than £10m..
Anyhow i think Levy is trying to hike up the price for him, come next summer he won't be worth more than £10m..
What the feck?!
I've just deleted a couple of hundred off topic posts. Don't temp me to delete a couple of hundred off topic posters.
http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/sahin-bloquea-llegada-modric-madrid/20120702dasdaiftb_2/Tes
In case anyone wants to read what Ballague has to say.
In case anyone wants to read what Ballague has to say.
He had two good games at the Euros so he clearly must be better then Modric. Right?
Sahin blocked Modric's arrival at Madrid
The white club has an agreement with Luka Modric, Tottenham but requires 50 million euros for the transfer. Sahin's refusal to enter the transfer operation has cooled a sigh on the other Premier clubs like Manchester United and Chelsea.
Guillem Balague | 02/07/2012
Cool the transfer of Luka Modric to Real Madrid. Although the player already has an agreement with the white club, the next step was to reduce the 50 million asking Tottenham for Croatian. In the negotiations mentioned the possibility that Nuri Sahin served as currency, but the Turkish player does not want to leave Madrid and has refused.
Without the input of players in the operation, the price seems exaggerated and white club, Tottenham suspect that Madrid is looking for much cheaper alternatives. A couple of things play for Real Madrid: the agreement with Modric and the fact that the English club chairman Daniel Levy, is unwilling to sell to a rival Premier League, Manchester United or Chelsea. Meanwhile, the player is considering making a formal request for transfer would put more pressure on Levy. United have contacted the Port for their willingness to sell Moutinho. The price is lower (34 million), the same age (25 Portuguese, 26 Croat) and the pay very uneven (Modric charges twice).
Request. However, Alex Ferguson Modric identified as their number one goal of the season and sees good news on 'cooling' of Real Madrid. Chelsea is awaiting the movements of Ferguson and Mourinho but last year, when he made three offers rejected by the player, Abramovich promised Modric was going to come back for him.
The white club has an agreement with Luka Modric, Tottenham but requires 50 million euros for the transfer. Sahin's refusal to enter the transfer operation has cooled a sigh on the other Premier clubs like Manchester United and Chelsea.
Guillem Balague | 02/07/2012
Cool the transfer of Luka Modric to Real Madrid. Although the player already has an agreement with the white club, the next step was to reduce the 50 million asking Tottenham for Croatian. In the negotiations mentioned the possibility that Nuri Sahin served as currency, but the Turkish player does not want to leave Madrid and has refused.
Without the input of players in the operation, the price seems exaggerated and white club, Tottenham suspect that Madrid is looking for much cheaper alternatives. A couple of things play for Real Madrid: the agreement with Modric and the fact that the English club chairman Daniel Levy, is unwilling to sell to a rival Premier League, Manchester United or Chelsea. Meanwhile, the player is considering making a formal request for transfer would put more pressure on Levy. United have contacted the Port for their willingness to sell Moutinho. The price is lower (34 million), the same age (25 Portuguese, 26 Croat) and the pay very uneven (Modric charges twice).
Request. However, Alex Ferguson Modric identified as their number one goal of the season and sees good news on 'cooling' of Real Madrid. Chelsea is awaiting the movements of Ferguson and Mourinho but last year, when he made three offers rejected by the player, Abramovich promised Modric was going to come back for him.
In short, that Madrid are unwilling to meet the valuation and insist on cash+Sahin but Sahin is not playing ball. Nothing particularly surprising.
I hope we don't have the same scenario as last summer ie we try to play clever and wait and wait and in the end we didn't get anyone!
That wasn't the scenario last summer. We played the lets get all of our guys early and we have Cleverly now so we don't need a midfielder game. So we got a fair few players.
I would love him to come, we need strength in our midfield.
Can we just give Madrid the £10m for Sahin and they can use that for Modric then? I can't see any we're were going to be able to get Modric if any of that's true. If Real want him and if Spurs won't sell to a PL club then there's only one outcome.
I prefer the way the translator tells the story.
Cool the translator is
This is too logical.
There does seem to be an element of Yoda is translations doesn't there?
I find it hard to believe Madrid are in for him. I reckon he will come to United.
I'm always an optimist but rarely correct
I'm always an optimist but rarely correct
Would love to see Sahin here, he will probably rot at Madrid if he sticks around and doesn't get much game time. Like yourself, I cannot see Modric coming here, especially if Madrid really are interested.
I'd put in a different way.