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never rated him, hoped he would make it, doesnt look like he will, I could be wrong but im thinking he wont.
 
charlenefan said:
The thing with Anderson is even at his best he's still not good enough, the fact he is very rarely at his best makes his inclusion in the squad even more pointless. I really hope we sell him and I dont often say that about a United player
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Think that's harsh. At his best he'a got a lot to offer with his ability to carry the ball through the middle and is a great player to have on the counter in open games when he's on form. Injuries and consistency are the issue. that said if after selling berba (and park imo), we still need to make room to sign another midfielder then he'd be next on my list of players to go.
 
where is his best position and who is his main competition in the squad?
 
McGrathsipan said:
where is his best position and who is his main competition in the squad?
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Is that to me? Well I would say he'd be best as the attacking player in a 3 though he obviously needs to work in his goal return. After that then as a box to box player in a 3 or 2. Competition is clev, scholes and giggs atm and arguably a winger/striker if he starts playing well enough for us to legitimately consider a change in formation to accommodate him.
 
Chabon said:
We've been through this before Pogue, Anderson had a brilliant second half of 2010/11, a brilliant pre-season, a brilliant opening to the season, and then a run of (at most) four or five poor games, then he got crocked. These are all the Manchester United matches that Anderson started in 2011:

West Brom A 2-1
Birmingham H 5-0
Southampton A 2-1
Man City H 2-1
Crawley H 1-0
Fulham H 2-0
Newcastle A 0-0
Everton H 1-0
Arsenal A 0-1
Schalke H 4-1
Blackpool H 4-2

City N 3-2
West Brom A 2-1
Spurs H 3-0
Arsenal H 8-2
Bolton A 5-0
Chelsea H 3-1
Stoke A 1-1
Basel H 3-3
Norwich H 2-0
Galati A 2-0
Man City H 1-6
Galati H 2-0

There were vastly more good performances than bad there, and people need to stop letting their frustration at his injuries colour their views on his quality as a footballer.
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That's still only 12 out of 17 possible games in that time period. And he definitely began dipping in form as the games went along. I fully agree that he started out very well but his form only got worse as the games progressed until he eventually got injured.
 
Ash_G said:
Don't think so mate, you need people who are defensively strong in the midfield, it's not enough to just have good possession players. Barca could get rid of busquets and play xavi and fabregas in the middle, freeing iniesta to go back to attacking midfield if it was just enough to have possessing players. And xavi is much better defensively that clev or ando and either of them are probably as useful as fabregas there. But they haven't and they most likely won't.
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We've done it time and time again missing Fletcher and Carrick. Sometimes even having Carrick and Fletcher in there having a total mare.
 
ghaliboy said:
We've done it time and time again missing Fletcher, Carrick. Sometimes even having Carrick and Fletcher in there having a total mare.
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Yeah as a result of injuries not choice and most of us would say we left ourselves very exposed in the middle in the games they played together. Against stronger opposition I think we would have paid a higher price. As I said othe teams have better possession players then either of those two currently are and still chose to have someone who is defensively strong in there.
 
I have to admit it's hard to believe he's going to come out and play something like 3 straight injury-free seasons to make up for all the time out injured.

I'd suggest making Anderson join one of those extremely rigorous summer training programs, go through what a Navy SEAL does in boot camp, something to get him in better shape. Then put him in Giggsy's yoga class so his tendons can survive a season.

I love the way we play with him and Cleverley in the team, but even the most red-tinted United supporter has to have question mark over Anderson. It's been 'one more season' for many of us for quite a few years.

At least he does seem to be improving, his beginning of this past season was his best form yet.
 
gooDevil said:
I have to admit it's hard to believe he's going to come out and play something like 3 straight injury-free seasons to make up for all the time out injured.

I'd suggest making Anderson join one of those extremely rigorous summer training programs, go through what a Navy SEAL does in boot camp, something to get him in better shape. Then put him in Giggsy's yoga class so his tendons can survive a season.

I love the way we play with him and Cleverley in the team, but even the most red-tinted United supporter has to have question mark over Anderson. It's been 'one more season' for many of us for quite a few years.

At least he does seem to be improving, his beginning of this past season was his best form yet.
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The thing is, Anderson has shown how good he is, it's not his fault he's been unlucky with injuries. Anytime he's had an extended run in the side, he's performed well, very well. So you can understand people wanting to give him the chance when they know what he's capable of.
 
I am for one still rooting for him to come good. And we need him to make faces at opposition's goalkeeper during freekick.
 
gooDevil said:
I'd suggest making Anderson join one of those extremely rigorous summer training programs, go through what a Navy SEAL does in boot camp, something to get him in better shape. Then put him in Giggsy's yoga class so his tendons can survive a season.

I love the way we play with him and Cleverley in the team, but even the most red-tinted United supporter has to have question mark over Anderson. It's been 'one more season' for many of us for quite a few years.
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Exactly - I'm one of those most red-tinted United supporters and Anderson supporters, but based on previous seasons while he's still 24(?) it makes sense to sell him now to fund players who can add to the team throughout the whole season. Anderson when fit and on form is glorious but 15 games per season doesn't cut it.
 
peterstorey said:
Where do you get this blind faith from? You actually know yourself it's just wishful thinking.
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Won't blame opposition fans for saying that tbh as Anderson has showed nothing more than glimpses so far.

However, I think he has talent no doubt.I feel he will come good.
 
There is meant to be a interview with him (and Powell) talking about the new season. Doesn't sound like he is going to leave.


@gem7thompson Had a good chat with Nick Powell + the fit again Anderson on Monday. Both excited for new season. Interviews going live later this week.
 
Which is a good news, we can't sell Park and Anderson in the same transfer window.

The Brazilian gets another (last?) chance.
 
There's no chances involved, he's a United player, end of.
 
tintedsepia said:
Exactly - I'm one of those most red-tinted United supporters and Anderson supporters, but based on previous seasons while he's still 24(?) it makes sense to sell him now to fund players who can add to the team throughout the whole season. Anderson when fit and on form is glorious but 15 games per season doesn't cut it.
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It actually makes no sense. If sense could be measured in biscuits, this transfer would not have any biscuits in it.
 
It makes loads of sense, like I said, we're going to go sign Dembele and that Lucas lad on top of Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Nani, Hernandez and Valencia, and not play midfielders anymore. Well, maybe we'll give Carrick the odd game here and there, but probably more so in defense when they all get injured. It'll be anti-Spain, just wait and see.
 
I'd be happy to give him another season, but like I've said, I still think that if a good offer came in for him then it would make sense for us to take it.

As much as he has some potential to be a good player, we just can't wait forever. People say you have to be patient but there's a limit. It's been 5 years now and to be quite frank, he's not really any better now than he was back then. In fact, I would argue that his first season with us was his best. If he's not improved after 5 years, how long is it going to take him? How many more years does he stay with us until we accept he's not going to be good enough? I'm happy to give him one more season but some of the blind faith in him is becoming ridiculous. There's going to come a time where we have to accept he just isn't going to make it here.
 
The Taurean said:
He is not going anywhere and it doesn't make sense to sell him either. He has performed when he has been in the team. Why would we be in a hurry to displace him?
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Because he's an injury prone player who, to be quite frank, is average with the sort of standards we need. If he's going to get injured continually and doesn't really improve at all, why hang onto him?
 
Cheesy said:
Because he's an injury prone player who, to be quite frank, is average with the sort of standards we need. If he's going to get injured continually and doesn't really improve at all, why hang onto him?
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He isn't like Hargreaves, atleast not yet. Performance-wise, he just hasn't got a regular run to judge his performance.
 
''There were vastly more good performances than bad there, and people need to stop letting their frustration at his injuries colour their views on his quality as a footballer.''

One of the smartest things I've read on here in a while
 
JakeC said:
''There were vastly more good performances than bad there, and people need to stop letting their frustration at his injuries colour their views on his quality as a footballer.''

One of the smartest things I've read on here in a while
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Sounds like me.

The smart bit I mean.

Maybe the quote too?
 
peterstorey said:
It's the other way up. People amplify a few good performances, usually against weak opposition and ignore the general dross.
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Anderson's most notable performances have tended to come against Arsenal. Personally I wouldn't characterise that as 'weak opposition', but I guess you see a lot more of them than I do.

edit: I just checked, and in Anderson's time at the club our record against Arsenal is lost 2, drawn 2, won 10. So I guess Pete may have a point.
 
The fact you’re such a bubbly character and happy person must help when you’re going through difficult times with injuries…
Yes I think it helps. I just try to stay positive. These things happen in football. I’m still young and I can’t let myself get down because I’ve had two bad injuries. It’s important to stay happy because I’m at the best club in the world.
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Oh he's certainly "bubbly".
 
Brilliant interview, can't wait for the season to start now.
 
Good interview, looks determined to come back.
 
gambit28 said:
Brilliant interview, can't wait for the season to start now.
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Looks like he'll be staying alright. In that case we should be rooting for him all the way to keep clear of injuries and put some form together. I have been critical of him in the past, mostly out of frustration of his injuries, but I'd love to see him play just one full season uninjured and make my mind up about him afterwards.
 
The Wizard said:
Looks like he'll be staying alright. In that case we should be rooting for him all the way to keep clear of injuries and put some form together. I have been critical of him in the past, mostly out of frustration of his injuries, but I'd love to see him play just one full season uninjured and make my mind up about him afterwards.
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I always root for him, he has amazing talent and all it takes is for one injury free season for him to be our main midfielder.
 
StanleyCupboard said:
Ando: My most important season

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...e-interview-my-most-important-season-yet.aspx
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Here...

The 2011/12 campaign could not have started any better for Anderson with some eye-catching performances in the United engine room during the first three months of the season.

But a knee injury - picked up at the start of November - and subsequent hamstring problem - in early March - effectively put paid to the Brazilian's campaign.

Now fit again, Anderson says he can't wait to get back into action and, as he told ManUtd.com, is determined make his mark on a season he describes as the most important of his Reds' career...

How are you feeling ahead of the new season?
I feel good. I had a nice holiday and I’ve had no problem with my leg. This season it’s very important that I don’t have any more injuries.

Can you believe how much bad luck you’ve had with injuries?
[Smiles] I started last season with no problems but then I started to feel my knee a bit. It’s just one of those things – some players have injuries and others don’t. It’s unfortunate it happened to me but I just got my head down and worked as hard as I could to get back. And when I came back I thought everything was fine, but then I had more bad luck. I’m just focused on staying fit now and doing my best to work hard and give 100 per cent for the team.

The fact you’re such a bubbly character and happy person must help when you’re going through difficult times with injuries…
Yes I think it helps. I just try to stay positive. These things happen in football. I’m still young and I can’t let myself get down because I’ve had two bad injuries. It’s important to stay happy because I’m at the best club in the world.

Do you feel you’ll be ready for the new season?
I think so. I’ve been training for a few days now and I feel good.

What targets have you set yourself?
I just want to play. For me, this season is very important. I know I have to be very focused on my football. I’ll still have a laugh and a joke with my team-mates, but I know I must be really focused on my job. I really want to show what I can do this season, produce my best and help the team.

Is it fair to say this is your most important campaign at United?
Yes definitely. I need to prove what I can do. I know the boss and my team-mates believe in me, I’ve just had bad luck. I want to improve as much as I can and help the team win trophies.

You must take encouragement for the great way in which you started last season – you and Tom Cleverley had a great partnership going in the first month?
I really enjoyed myself at the start of last season. Me and Tom did well, but I enjoy playing with all the midfielders – Carrick, Tom, Scholes. I don’t mind. I just want to play and feel good. And I want to stay fit. Hopefully I can get a run of playing, enjoy my football and help the team.

After the way we lost the league last season, do you sense an extra determination within the squad to put things right this term?
Yes of course. We had so many injuries last season, and bad injuries as well, to lots of players. Some were out for a couple of months at a time and some longer. That definitely had an effect on our title challenge.

Will City once again be our biggest challengers?
Yes they will be there and so will Chelsea. We just had a lot of bad luck with injuries last season.

If we keep everyone fit, I feel confident we will win the title.

We’ve proven in the past how good we are at bouncing back from adversity…
Definitely. And we mustn’t forget we did very well last season in the league. The Champions League was very disappointing and we want to do better this time but with the league the difference between us and City was eight goals. Hopefully things will go our way this season.
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I wonder if the medical staff were aware he could "feel his knee" before he ended up rupturing it. Is that sort of thing even preventable?
 
cw1984 said:
I wonder if the medical staff were aware he could "feel his knee" before he ended up rupturing it. Is that sort of thing even preventable?
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I dunno. I'd say it's fairly normal for footballers to experience niggling soreness in different joints at different times throughout the season. Imaging won't tell you much if the ligament is still intact. A bit of inflammation, at worst. If you stopped them playing "just in case" every time, we'd barely be able to put out a 5-1-side team.
 
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