He certainly did. He needs to bump that off him before the season starts.
Make or break time for him now.
Make or break time for him now.
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I've always been a fan of him but feck me, last week he gave an interview talking about how this season will be most important for him and now he looks like that. Didn't make a single fast step yesterday.
Wasn't that last year, and the year before?
It's seriously pissing me off, seeing him report for pre-season looking like that.
It's not what he looks like when he's in shape, and we all know it.
Why is he allowed to turn up for pre-season in that shape? He needs to shed some, and fast.
You'd think the bare minimum requirement for a professional footballer is looking after your body. It's their job and their lives, ffs! Also, I'm not entirely sure his long list of injuries isn't connected to him being too heavy. It takes it's strains on muscles etc.
Rant over.
It's not what he looks like when he's in shape, and we all know it.
Why is he allowed to turn up for pre-season in that shape? He needs to shed some, and fast.
You'd think the bare minimum requirement for a professional footballer is looking after your body. It's their job and their lives, ffs! Also, I'm not entirely sure his long list of injuries isn't connected to him being too heavy. It takes it's strains on muscles etc.
Rant over.
He certainly looked shit. His running was labored, touch was poor and passing was off. Compare that to someone like Petrucci who looked sharp, composed, and ready to make an impression.
I have to agree here. These excuses that Fergie would never let an unfit player off with it aren't washing with me. If I was in his position, I'd be doing everything I can to keep fit and be able to succeed. He seems more content with partying and needs to really focus on his football a lot more.
I mean, why give yourself that competitive disadvantage going into pre-season? He'll use the couple of weeks the others are using to sharpening their form only to reach a somewhat socially accepted weight.
It just doesn't seem to me, that he's got the right attitude to succeed. It's really annoying, because he's got the talent.
Its fecking pre season.
I agree with you. I think he's decent talent wise, but if he wants to really be a top player then he can't sail by and hope he becomes one. He really has to go above and beyond effort wise and he's not doing that.
What, in all of your opinions do you think is Andersons' best position/formation?
Centre mid in any formation.
For Petrucci it is as well, though.
So equally good with one and two partners you think?
Yes, but obviously depends on the partners.
Every player is different. If you compared Ronaldo and Rooney together at the start of pre season you'd say Ronaldo is fit and ready to go and Rooney needs 3 or 4 weeks to be in shape. Unless Anderson has a ridiculously low metabolism, there is no way that he'd gain 5-10kg in the space of a couple of months. It's probably mostly water weight which he'll shed in a matter of weeks.
I'm not trying to say that Anderson isn't a little bit porky, but its not exactly fair to judge him on a game at the start of pre season.
Yeah, but they can't let themselves go during the off period. They can take a break, but as they are still employees, they have to maintain a minimum level of fitness. Look at Ronaldo, doesn't drink alcohol at all, and maintains his figure. Now he's an extreme case, but Anderson should be able to find a balance.
Not enough fat players in football today!
There's nothing wrong with looking off form during pre-season, but to come back looking as fat and out of shape as that, as a professional footballer at the worlds biggest club is absolutely ridiculous.
He should be tearing it up in preseason, eager to make an impression. Macheda and Berbatov looked good yesterday because they were playing for their future. Anderson should be doing the same.
Exactly, the excuses made for Andserson is bordering on Scouse delusion.
I don't think he looked fat at all. Like... at all.
Bloody hell the reason he looked sluggish is because he has not played for ages. Petrucci on the other hand has played a lot more recently so it is to be expected that Anderson would be off the pace a bit. As for him being "fat", some people carry their weight differently and not all people have the same body type. He's never going to be Ronaldo ripped but that has nothing to do with fitness. I have a mate who is 18 stone but been practising for an iron man competition and is probably a lot fitter than most people nearly half his weight. Do you really think Ferguson would consider playing him if he was that out of shape or overweight? Of course he wouldn't. I bet Anderson actually has a very low bf percentage but obviously the ignorance of some people makes them believe that Anderson is fat due to his body structure and wearing a loose fitting football shirt
I thought he did fine by the way. His positioning and showing were great which is a big part of pre season.
I don't get the hate at all.
I don't get the hate at all.
He looked the exact same shape he always looks
The comments about Anderson's physique always reflect how well he's playing. Poor performance and everyone starts saying he's fat and out of shape. A decent game and people start suggesting he's maybe lost some weight. In reality, I'd say his weight is fairly constant.
Thought he was ok last night. Some good bits, some bad bits. Needs to up his game consierably by the start of the season but meh, he'll take longer than most to get up to speed as he's going into pre-season with zero residual match sharpness/fitness from the season just gone.
He looked the exact same shape he always looks
The comments about Anderson's physique always reflect how well he's playing. Poor performance and everyone starts saying he's fat and out of shape. A decent game and people start suggesting he's maybe lost some weight. In reality, I'd say his weight is fairly constant.
Thought he was ok last night. Some good bits, some bad bits. Needs to up his game consierably by the start of the season but meh, he'll take longer than most to get up to speed as he's going into pre-season with zero residual match sharpness/fitness from the season just gone.
I barely saw the game, only highlights, so I've nothing to comment on in terms of his performance, and that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'll take your word for it. I do think he looked fatter than ever, and anyway, even if he looked his normal shape, it's still out of shape.
Has Anderson ever looked fit though? I mean, he's pretty much always subbed off, or if not, unable to run for the last half hour.
Since we don't have cash, all our expensive players are scrutinized and cursed by most of the caf. Since we spent money on them, they are a waste if they don't perform 10/10 every time. I didn't see Ando yesterday, so I can't comment on the game or him, but that is where the hate for Berba, Ando Nani (earlier) comes from.
Hate for Anderson? If anything he's been let off the hook far too much in the past because he's so likable. He was just as frustrating as Nani back in the day but Nani took all of the flak. It's only really now that people have started to properly get fed up, which is almost justified after 5 seasons where he has constantly looked unfit, out of shape and at times, been reported to love a bit of partying.
After 2 years Nani and Berbatov were getting far more stick than Anderson is getting after 5 years.
Do people really think that a professional sporting organisation like Manchester United would tolerate one of their players being fat and out of shape? He'd be terminated for breach of contract if he was always overweight.
Have a read back through this thread. Both Nani and Anderson had an inconsistent season with the main difference being Anderson being injured for most of it. Despite this, Anderson has got dog's abuse from the vast majority of people who post in this thread for the whole of the summer so far.
Conversely, the merest hint of criticism of Nani gets his fan-club out in force, shouting down any dissenting opinions.
Obviously Nani - unlike Anderson - has at least one long stint of consistently very good performances under his belt. Which has earned him a lot of patience. Nonetheless, you're kidding yourself if you think Anderson is somehow avoiding the criticism his performances deserve. The consensus has tipped too far in the opposite direction, if anything.
That's not what I said. I said that in the past he wasn't getting criticism any way comparable to what Nani and Berbatov did, which are the two players he mentioned above.
He is getting criticized now, and maybe overly so, you'll always get that off certain posters though. But after 2 years half the people on here were screaming to get rid of Nani, it has only been this Summer and sometimes last Summer that people have been saying we should get rid of Anderson (which I don't agree with)
No idea why you're bringing up the 'Nani fan-club', a veiled dig at him as usual? Totally irrelevant, and there's a few posters on here overly in love with Anderson too. At least Nani has done enough to warrant it.
He's just big-boned.
You brought up Nani, not me. Berbatov has his own fan club but there's fewer and fewer of them about these days. As I said, Nani has earned a bit of patience by consistently hitting levels of performance we haven't seen from Anderson. The bit in your post I disagree with was that he was somehow getting criticism that Anderson avoided. The only reason people took so long to turn on Anderson was because he had an impressive debut season. That meant people were slow to turn on him when his performance levels dropped. Obviously, that honeymoon period ended quite some time ago.
Well you'd probably have a hissy fit if someone insulted Michael Carrick's facial hair. Everyone has players they like more than others.
I wasn't the one who brought up Nani, the guy I quoted did, I merely pointed out that Nani and Berbatov were bad examples because they were getting way more stick way earlier on than Anderson ever has. You're the one who brought the fan club nonsense into it for absolutely no reason.
The "fan club nonsense" was to highlight your own inconsistencies in any discussions about the two players.
Nani still had a pretty decent season, he was mostly good up until he got injured. The injury effectively put an end to his season, to the point that we ended up starting Park against City. Anderson's short spell in the team last year was definitely a lower level than Nani's season comparatively and the season before Nani was one of our stand out performers. I think you're beig far too harsh on Nani.
ok Pogue, whatever you say.Because you're not in anyway biased against Nani, of course.
"less than impressive season "
Not sure what you mean? Anderson was the only one of the two of them who picked up a season-ending injury.
In terms of good vs bad performances I'd say they had a very similar season. The only difference is that Nani would have racked up a higher total of games in each category.
Because you're not in anyway biased against Nani, of course.
"less than impressive season "
Why on earth would I be biased against any United player? That makes no sense. I either rate players as footballers, or I don't. How highly I rate players may well differ from that of other people but that's not being biased for some weird reason that has nothing to do with football. It's not a fecking popularity contest. Just a difference of opinion about what makes a good player in their position of choice.
The funny thing is, I spent most of the last few seasons having a much lower opinion of Anderson than most people on here. Now I find almost the opposite is true. I'm inclined to think that's the consensus changing, while my own opinion stays the same. Could be wrong though.
I don't think you dislike him or anything, but you and a few others are ridiculously critical at times, we all are with certain players. Force of habit maybe? I'm probably overly critical of Anderson, even though I like him, because it annoys me a bit that he hasn't hit his potential and continues to look unfit etc.
if you're not biased against him (his performances, that is) then I'm not biased towards him, I guess.
if you're not biased against him (his performances, that is) then I'm not biased towards him, I guess.
I dunno. Maybe having an opinion that is the wrong one, yet always in the same direction, could be down to bias? I don't think so. I think we all just value certain traits of footballers differently. What really irks me is when people only ever post negative comments about certain players, refuse to acknowledge when they're playing well and seem to have no other hope for the player other than getting him out of the club. Especially about young footballers. I genuinely don't understand the mind-set of people like that but i don't think I'm one of them.
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