Based solely on ability grounds I'd say it's time to sell him. Maybe such a twist in his career would do him good. Thing is, though, that in our current CM situation letting him go could be unreasonable, as we would only be left with Scholes, Carrick and possibly Powell in central midfield.
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Never said you were one of them, and I agree. People are doing that with Anderson right now. I think his criticism is justified to an extent but it's still a bit daft to say 'get rid' when he's 24 years old (which a lot of people are now doing). He needs another season I think, especially seeing as Fergie seems to have no intention of actually signing a midfielder.
Still, I do wish he'd eat a few less pies.
Still, I do wish he'd eat a few less pies.
It would be downright madness.
Although yesterday was just a friendly you could see the deficiencies in his game are clearly still there. He's just not a very smart footballer. The amount of times he picks a poor option that just gets cut out with his passing because he made it far too obvious. Doesn't have the class or awareness to look around, weigh up his options, then find a man clear in space.
You have to admit though that he cannot be viewed same as a 24 yo who just arrived. He's been given 5 long seasons and still fails to convince.
Of course, and if we had a stronger midfield then maybe we could argue getting rid. But given what we (don't) have, it's be crazy to do so.
Agreed. Let's hope the situation will change before the end of August...
he's an heavy lad.......first game in pre season playing at altitude in a humid country and he looks heavy and laboured. id be suprised if he wasnt to be honest.
look at rooney's (same shape) weight, sharpness and perfomrnces at the world cup over there. lighter, wirey type players like petrucci will find it much easier in those conditions. however, anderson at his best is a powerful runner with the ball and can do so on poor torn up pitches in the winter. in those conditions at the minute petrucci would struggle and also those having a pop at andersons weight will be saying "petrucci would be a good player if he bulks up a bit"
personally think that they will both be top top players. people are different in shape size etc and the conditions effect them differently.
in andersons defence, am i correct in thinking his knee injury was a cartlidge problem and then he missed the end of the season with a pulled hamstring???? rock hard pre-season pitches are not condusive to the recover of either injury!!!!
look at rooney's (same shape) weight, sharpness and perfomrnces at the world cup over there. lighter, wirey type players like petrucci will find it much easier in those conditions. however, anderson at his best is a powerful runner with the ball and can do so on poor torn up pitches in the winter. in those conditions at the minute petrucci would struggle and also those having a pop at andersons weight will be saying "petrucci would be a good player if he bulks up a bit"
personally think that they will both be top top players. people are different in shape size etc and the conditions effect them differently.
in andersons defence, am i correct in thinking his knee injury was a cartlidge problem and then he missed the end of the season with a pulled hamstring???? rock hard pre-season pitches are not condusive to the recover of either injury!!!!
Harsh but fair.
The above and his lack of awareness/willingness to track runners from deep are his two biggest failings IMO. Along with his questionable stamina.
Not sure if he can improve all these aspects of his game but if he can he'll become a top player. Despite a mixed performance last night, he also showed some of his strengths i.e. an ability to drive play forward and create some space for himself to pick out an incisive pass
Yep. And as long as he has these deficiencies, he will never become a top class CM. In a way, he's like a worse version of Gerrard in CM, drive and enthusiasm are there but not the class or awareness.
This is the stuff that frustrates me. It's like we're telling you that Anderson looks out of shape, but that's the only response. Fergie's obviously not going to let players walk in clinically obese, but I'd be surprised if he hasn't talked to Anderson about this fitness issue once or twice before. He's not fat, but he is weighty and I think that's quite clear. By the looks of things he could be working a lot harder than he is.
Remember he's still coming back from you could say a season long injury.. He needs a good pre-season.
Fair enough. But eventhough i thought it was OTT to question his fitness, it has bece more evident over the course of the last 2 or 3 seasons. He is either a bad trainer or just doesnt have the physique that is required
Looked woeful again.
Yeah, he certainly wasn't very impressive. It's still just early preseason though.
You wouldn't see passing as bad in a Sunday league game. It's a big season for him. It's make or break in my opinion/
Loves a eye of a needle pass, shame he can't do em.
I still have faith.
I still have faith.
To see the pass is one thing that many footballers but to actually do it on a consistent basis is something else.Anderson would do better to play a more "simple" brand of football.
Ooh! The old fascinating bashing Anderson time again. I'm sooo surprised.
All of our midfielder who played in the first half, including the mighty Scholes did mistakes and wasted passes. Company Scholes and Carrick fecked up big a few times, one could easily cost us a goal. Didn't see any thread about that?!
It's early preseason, lets at least wait until we play someone other than Ajax Cape Town in July.
Scholes was fecking terrible against AmaZulu, probably gave the ball away more times in that game than all of last season. But the reason nobody's slating him over that is because he's consistently performed for close to two decades. Anderson has not.
Scholes was fecking terrible against AmaZulu, probably gave the ball away more times in that game than all of last season. But the reason nobody's slating him over that is because he's consistently performed for close to two decades. Anderson has not.
It's just depressing seeing the same flaws in Anderson's game that we've seen, season after season, when he's not on top of his game. A bit of ring-rust is to be expected but the reason he's getting singled out is because watching him today will have caused flash-backs to all those other games where he keeps trying and failing to play the killer ball while generally being sloppy and careless in possession. Makes it very hard to keep being optimistic about him turning it round this season.
My biggest concern with Anderson isn't the inconsistency with his passing but that he is anonymous so often. For a midfielder there's too many times he isn't getting involved in the play. That and his obesity of course.
Scholes has more than earned the right for fans to be patient and understandable about his bad performances, Anderson on the other hand...
I don't think I can remember a vintage performance from anyone in any of our preseason games yet we are judging a player who previous to this preseason has spent months injured?
Talk about opportunistic
Let's wait until everyone's back to fitness, sharpness and playing in some games that have more value in them than jogging a bit in public in a disjointed team against average opposition.
Talk about opportunistic
Let's wait until everyone's back to fitness, sharpness and playing in some games that have more value in them than jogging a bit in public in a disjointed team against average opposition.
Anderson is never fit or sharp.
Well let's wait and see how the season goes. He certainly looked fat to me though and that's what makes me a tad angry. Not blaming him for his performances so far as many looked off.
I don't think I can remember a vintage performance from anyone in any of our preseason games yet we are judging a player who previous to this preseason has spent months injured?
Talk about opportunistic
Let's wait until everyone's back to fitness, sharpness and playing in some games that have more value in them than jogging a bit in public in a disjointed team against average opposition.
This isn't exactly a new problem with Anderson though is it?
Terrible positioning - he's constantly to be found behind opposition players where he can't be passed the ball. The idea that a midfielder makes himself available for a pass and links up play never seems to have occurred to him. Or he forgets.
It's not a new problem with anyone.
Fergie summed it up recently when he talked about Rooney struggling for a few games after any lay off because he's a stocky build and it takes that bit longer to get back into it. I'm sure he feels exactly the same with Anderson.
Judging him on his first game in preseason when nobody is expected to be any where near fitness or sharpness is just daft.
Just about everyone has been poor but he's getting singled out? Jog on.
I'm talking about performances levels and being out of shape which Anderson has previous for far outside of pre season. He's being singled out because most of the rest of the squad have performed better than him over the years so less doubts persist with them. Sprint on.
I think that's something he's worked on.
I'm convinced he's not as fit as he should be - and this is a recurring issue for him.
It's annoying that he can't keep himself somewhat in shape during the summer, he'll probably need to spend a couple of weeks just to get to an acceptable weight, weeks he could've used gaining match fitness and working on the many areas of his game which need attention.
It's annoying that he can't keep himself somewhat in shape during the summer, he'll probably need to spend a couple of weeks just to get to an acceptable weight, weeks he could've used gaining match fitness and working on the many areas of his game which need attention.
Manchester United midfielder Anderson has admitted he is facing an Old Trafford crossroads.
Four years ago, the Brazilian was preparing for Olympic duty and collected a bronze medal in Beijing. It marked the start of a second impressive season with United but within 18 months his career had taken a sharp downturn. He was fined for returning home without his manager's permission and in February 2010 suffered a cruciate injury.
"The last two years have been very difficult," he said. "No-one wants a player who has a lot of injuries. But I am still young. I am only 24. And I believe I can get through this. All summer I stayed in Europe to work on my knee. Now I am 100%. I don't have any more injuries. I don't have a problem."
Anderson's first season at Old Trafford brought glory in the form of a Premier League title and the Champions League, when he was introduced purely to take a penalty in the shoot-out victory over Chelsea.
But after two-and-a-half years of problems and despite having a contract that runs until 2015, Anderson realises what happens over the coming weeks is likely to determine whether he has a future with the Premier League giants.
His fitness problems are the most obvious reason why Sir Alex Ferguson's squad has been so evidently short of midfield options. Both Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick bring finesse to the United engine room, and a clear touch of class, but in the absence of Darren Fletcher Anderson would be the one to provide energy.
In the overall analysis of last season's thrilling failure to retain the title, it has largely been overlooked that Anderson was part of that swashbuckling start that earned such rare praise. He even managed to score a couple of goals, something he had found difficulty with in his early years.
Typically, it was too good to last and another knee injury consigned Anderson to a further spell on the sidelines. When he made a surprise return against Blackburn - in a game more notable for the axing of Wayne Rooney - the South American got injured again and that was his season finished.
"This is a very big season for me," he said, following Saturday's 1-1 draw with Ajax Cape Town. "In my first three years we won everything; Champions League, Premier League, Carling Cup. But then I suffered a cruciate injury and had a bad problem. I tried to push through it when I came back but it was still sore. Sometimes it was bad and the pain stayed.
"Sometimes you think you might have to change clubs but I love it here. The club has always helped me, as have the other players. I have worked so hard trying to get right."
Four years ago, the Brazilian was preparing for Olympic duty and collected a bronze medal in Beijing. It marked the start of a second impressive season with United but within 18 months his career had taken a sharp downturn. He was fined for returning home without his manager's permission and in February 2010 suffered a cruciate injury.
"The last two years have been very difficult," he said. "No-one wants a player who has a lot of injuries. But I am still young. I am only 24. And I believe I can get through this. All summer I stayed in Europe to work on my knee. Now I am 100%. I don't have any more injuries. I don't have a problem."
Anderson's first season at Old Trafford brought glory in the form of a Premier League title and the Champions League, when he was introduced purely to take a penalty in the shoot-out victory over Chelsea.
But after two-and-a-half years of problems and despite having a contract that runs until 2015, Anderson realises what happens over the coming weeks is likely to determine whether he has a future with the Premier League giants.
His fitness problems are the most obvious reason why Sir Alex Ferguson's squad has been so evidently short of midfield options. Both Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick bring finesse to the United engine room, and a clear touch of class, but in the absence of Darren Fletcher Anderson would be the one to provide energy.
In the overall analysis of last season's thrilling failure to retain the title, it has largely been overlooked that Anderson was part of that swashbuckling start that earned such rare praise. He even managed to score a couple of goals, something he had found difficulty with in his early years.
Typically, it was too good to last and another knee injury consigned Anderson to a further spell on the sidelines. When he made a surprise return against Blackburn - in a game more notable for the axing of Wayne Rooney - the South American got injured again and that was his season finished.
"This is a very big season for me," he said, following Saturday's 1-1 draw with Ajax Cape Town. "In my first three years we won everything; Champions League, Premier League, Carling Cup. But then I suffered a cruciate injury and had a bad problem. I tried to push through it when I came back but it was still sore. Sometimes it was bad and the pain stayed.
"Sometimes you think you might have to change clubs but I love it here. The club has always helped me, as have the other players. I have worked so hard trying to get right."
Really hope he stays, he's one of my favourite of our players. Seems to have a good attitude and personality.
He's my favorite player, not saying he's our best, or near it, I just think he has what it takes.
Ah man, I love Ando.
Are there any pictures from training or games of Anderson
What sort of weight is he carrying? If any at all
What sort of weight is he carrying? If any at all
"Now I am 100%"
100% what? Body fat?
100% what? Body fat?
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