Shinji Kagawa

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I am shocked how fast and how well he has settled in to our way of play.
His first 2 games and I think he has been MOM in both of them.
I think he adds an added depth to us, much the same way has Eric did when he arrived here.
Not saying he is in Eric's class but I think he could be given time
 
I thought he created more chances vs Everton actually. He's classy, but at times I wish he'd just turn and run at the defence more when he's got the space. A confidence thing I guess, he definitely got it in his reportoire.

I think he'll be our best purchase this summer.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I am shocked how fast and how well he has settled in to our way of play.
His first 2 games and I think he has been MOM in both of them.
I think he adds an added depth to us, much the same way has Eric did when he arrived here.
Not saying he is in Eric's class but I think he could be given time
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I think he's yet to settle in our way of play to be honest, coming from someone that watched him regularly for Dortmund. He seems confused with our wing play style. He's still finding his feet in the team, but it's a testament to his ability how well he's looked already. There's a lot more to come from him!
 
Sorry Wayne, but this lads got the number 10 role on lock right now. He's been fantastic there.
 
Sam said:
Sorry Wayne, but this lads got the number 10 role on lock right now. He's been fantastic there.
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Indeed, which is what most people expected. Makes it difficult to fit him, Rooney and RVP into the same team. I'd expect Kagawa to go left, but as you say at the moment that would be counter productive due to how well he is playing.

Gonna be a difficult decision for Fergie.
 
nemanja nemagic said:
Loved the chant for him at OT today. To the tune of Radio Gaga -

All we need is, Shinji Kagawa, Shinji Kagawa, Shinji Kagawa

The repetition doesn't really work but it made me smile
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I love that :lol: Hope it catches on, would be nice to get a good new chant going.
 
Theon said:
Indeed, which is what most people expected. Makes it difficult to fit him, Rooney and RVP into the same team. I'd expect Kagawa to go left, but as you say at the moment that would be counter productive due to how well he is playing.

Gonna be a difficult decision for Fergie.
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id play rooney on the left and keep kagawa and van persie in the middle
 
Jacob said:
The RvP signing might prove to be troublesome for Wazza.
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We'll end up playing 433 again with the top 3 interchanging and Kagawa leading the point in midfield. Despite what most are saying I think Fergie has Nani in mind to play with Rooney and RVP but its a case of seeing how well it works. Unlike Valenica Nani can play across the pitch.
 
bosnian_red said:
I'm almost positive that somebody came up with that chant on here in the kagawa songs thread when he signed :lol:
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:lol: Yep, I remember seeing that too:

Judge Red said:
To the tune of Radio Ga Ga (you know where this is going...)

All we need is Shinji Kagawa
*clap*
Shinji Kagawa
*clap*

etc.
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https://www.redcafe.net/f6/kagawa-songs-355100/#post11801085

And a post by cider on the second page:

ciderman9000000 said:
You don't really think any of these songs are gonna get sung, do you? This is just for the laugh.
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To be fair to him it was the best one out of the ones posted. The only one simple enough to get a whole crowd singing and that actually sounds good.
 
Jacob said:
The RvP signing might prove to be troublesome for Wazza.
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I think Wayne's going to be stewing for a few weeks; knowing Kagawa's better in the #10, and RvP's here to compete for the striking position.

He'll have a feckload of determination to be the star player for us when he comes back.

Until then...

--------RvP--------
Nani--Kagawa--Tony V
---Carrick+1---
--Settled back 4----
-------DDG---------
----Howard Webb--



hopefully.

Nani to lace up his boots and fecking get some balls.

We don't really have a great amount of quality cover either now.

Welbeck is no where near ready to lead the line with a goal-scoring burden,
RvP's the only real cover for Kagawa (RvP can play #10 very well, he himself reckons he's a #9.5) and that'll make it unideal for the #10 spot.

Nani and Young aren't playing well either, and we have 0 defensive cover at the moment, bar Buttner.
 
Antisocial said:
I love that :lol: Hope it catches on, would be nice to get a good new chant going.
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Aye I was in the lower Stretty and heard it start in the upper Stretty a couple of times. Also on the train back loads were singing it.

It'll catch on. :D
 
Damien1990 said:
:lol: Yep, I remember seeing that too:



https://www.redcafe.net/f6/kagawa-songs-355100/#post11801085

And a post by cider on the second page:
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Actually the whole song translates very easily. Did they just sing the refrain?


I'd sit alone and watch your light
My only friend through Manchester nights
And everything I had to see
I saw it from my Shinji

You gave them all those old time stars
Through wars of worlds - invaded by Mars
You made 'em laugh - you made 'em cry
You made us feel like we could fly
Kagawa

So don't become some background noise
A backdrop for the girls and boys
Who just don't know or just don't care
And just complain when you're not there
You have the time, you have the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Kagawa

All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Kagawa what's new?
Kagawa - someone still loves you

We watch the shows - we watch the stars
On videos for hours and hours
We hardly need to use our ears
How football changes through the years

Let's hope you never leave old friend
Like all good things on you we depend
So stick around 'cos we might miss you
When we grow tired of all this visual
You have the time - you have the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Kagawa

All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Kagawa what's new?
Someone still loves you

Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa

You have the time - you have the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Kagawa

 
gooDevil said:
Actually the whole song translates very easily. Did they just sing the refrain?


I'd sit alone and watch your light
My only friend through Manchester nights
And everything I had to see
I saw it from my Shinji

You gave them all those old time stars
Through wars of worlds - invaded by Mars
You made 'em laugh - you made 'em cry
You made us feel like we could fly
(Shinji)

So don't become some background noise
A backdrop for the girls and boys
Who just don't know or just don't care
And just complain when you're not there
You had your time, you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Shinji (Shinji)

All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji what's new?
Shinji - someone still loves you

We watch the shows - we watch the stars
On videos for hours and hours
We hardly need to use our ears
How football changes through the years

Let's hope you never leave old friend
Like all good things on you we depend
So stick around 'cos we might miss you
When we grow tired of all this visual
You had your time - you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Shinji (Shinji)

All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
All we need is Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji what's new?
Shinji someone still loves you

Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa
Shinji Kagawa

You had your time - you had the power
You've yet to have your finest hour
Shinji Shinji

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Gold lol
 
gooDevil said:
Actually the whole song translates very easily. Did they just sing the refrain?
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Yep, just the refrain.

I was on the train back to London after the game - and there were about 10-15 pissed up 50 year olds singing it non-stop for 2 hours. :lol:
 
Theon said:
Indeed, which is what most people expected. Makes it difficult to fit him, Rooney and RVP into the same team. I'd expect Kagawa to go left, but as you say at the moment that would be counter productive due to how well he is playing.

Gonna be a difficult decision for Fergie.
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We shouldn't be fitting Rooney in anywhere if he's not going to be better than the other options.

Kagawa is a better #10 than Rooney. Van Persie is a better striker, certainly on current form.

He may need to play on the left at times but we still have better options there too.
 
Kagawa will be benched in the important fixtures.

You just don't bench Rooney or Van Persie in a big game, so it'll boil down to how well they connect in a 4-4-2 scheme with Rooney dropping deep. No point in playing Rooney on the left wing and cut his impact by half just to accomodate the Japanese

Kagawa's steady quality will be good enough for the lesser games but he doesn't have that world-class sparkle both of the above carry with them into big games
 
Nani Nana said:
Kagawa will be benched in the important fixtures.

You just don't bench Rooney or Van Persie in a big game, so it'll boil down to how well they connect in a 4-4-2 scheme with Rooney dropping deep. No point in playing Rooney on the left wing and cut his impact by half just to accomodate the Japanese

Kagawa's steady quality will be good enough for the lesser games but he doesn't have that world-class sparkle both of the above carry with them into big games
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If Kagawa is fit, he starts surely? He's the one player in our team barring maybe Nani that is capable of keeping the ball under all sorts of pressure. He's never a player with just steady quality.

He's a fantastic passer, has quality ball retention and is a good goalscoring threat. You really underrate him!
 
Nani Nana said:
Kagawa will be benched in the important fixtures.

You just don't bench Rooney or Van Persie in a big game, so it'll boil down to how well they connect in a 4-4-2 scheme with Rooney dropping deep. No point in playing Rooney on the left wing and cut his impact by half just to accomodate the Japanese

Kagawa's steady quality will be good enough for the lesser games but he doesn't have that world-class sparkle both of the above carry with them into big games
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So wrong.
 
KingEric7 said:
If Kagawa is fit, he starts surely? He's the one player in our team barring maybe Nani that is capable of keeping the ball under all sorts of pressure. He's never a player with just steady quality.

He's a fantastic passer, has quality ball retention and is a good goalscoring threat. You really underrate him!
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I don't underrate him, he is a great player, but Rooney and Van Persie are one of a kind and that's that.

Since you cannot accomodate all three (at pain of massively downcreasing one's input) you need to make a choice and I cannot see past two of the best PL strikers ever.
 
Nani Nana said:
I don't underrate him, he is a great player, but Rooney and Van Persie are one of a kind and that's that.

Since you cannot accomodate all three (at pain of massively downcreasing one's input) you need to make a choice and I cannot see past two of the best PL strikers ever.
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Kagawa will eventually move into midfield, I see him as a replacement for Scholes.
 
Spoony Kobayashi]Kagawa will eventually move into midfield said:
And "that's that".... Wtf!

I'm pretty certain, in fact 99.9% that Kagawa would start if we were to play Barcelona next week with a full fit squad.
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And what does next week have to prove in the overall building of a brand new first 11 ?

Here we are, in the midst of a complete overhaul of our attacking set-up, and "I'm always right" takes next week as the marker that will define our whole season.

We don't even know how Rooney and Van Persie will interact, what I'm saying is that I'm pretty sure comes April or May, they will be untouchable up front in big games.
 
Nani Nana said:
I don't underrate him, he is a great player, but Rooney and Van Persie are one of a kind and that's that.

Since you cannot accomodate all three (at pain of massively downcreasing one's input) you need to make a choice and I cannot see past two of the best PL strikers ever.
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I'm not really sure I understand the logic here. You pick the players that make up the best team. Kagawa looks better behind the hole than Rooney - he looks to have better vision, better dribbling, better composure and better ball retention. Basically, he looks a better fit for that position behind the striker and, even if we don't play him there, we should be accommodating him somehow. In the hole, on the wing, in central midfield...anywhere.

I don't know what will happen, but I wouldn't think that's an unreasonable assessment of the situation based on his form for Dortmund last year and his start to his United career. The Van Persie signing gives us the goalscoring threat that Rooney provides, although Kagawa gives us something that no other player for us really does. It's Rooney or Van Persie that looks vulnerable to me at the moment, and not Kagawa.
 
KingEric7 said:
I'm not really sure I understand the logic here. You pick the players that make up the best team. Kagawa looks better behind the hole than Rooney - he looks to have better vision, better dribbling, better composure and better ball retention. Basically, he looks a better fit for that position behind the striker and, even if we don't play him there, we should be accommodating him somehow.
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You can put it that way, or you can also say Rooney looks better alongside Van Persie than Kagawa...
 
I think most of us expected Kagawa to be one of those "instant impact" sort of players, but it's great that he has not disappointed at all. He provides a great option. I do still feel that we should have been looking for deeper CMs before focusing on attack but it looks like we have picked up a gem and quite probably a player who will stay with us for a long time.
 
Nani Nana said:
You can put it that way, or you can also say Rooney looks better alongside Van Persie than Kagawa...
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Difficult to say what you're basing this on at the moment! When that does actually happen for a full 90 minutes, maybe we can say that is the case. ;)

At this moment, we have just the evidence of our eyes and the common sense that tells us what Kagawa offers that this Wayne Rooney currently doesn't on a consistent basis.
 
KingEric7 said:
At this moment, we have just the evidence of our eyes and the common sense that tells us what Kagawa offers that this Wayne Rooney currently doesn't on a consistent basis.
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If you're basing this "consistent basis" on two games, yes we'll have to agree to disagree.

I thought about 180 goals in 360 games were proof enough of Rooney's ability to deliver on a consistent basis. Now why we would need Kagawa's eye for a pass rather than Rooney's eye for a goal bewilders me, aside of our natural taste for novelty when an exciting player arrives. It's not like we did not already have two players among the top 10 assistents last season (Valencia and Nani) and just brought a third in Van Persie.
 
Nani Nana said:
You can put it that way, or you can also say Rooney looks better alongside Van Persie than Kagawa...
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Based on?

As I said, pretty certain Kagawa was bought mainly with the big games in mind, a better link between midfield and attack than Rooney. Who'll spearhead the attack I don't know.
 
Vibhas said:
I think Wayne's going to be stewing for a few weeks; knowing Kagawa's better in the #10, and RvP's here to compete for the striking position.

He'll have a feckload of determination to be the star player for us when he comes back.

Until then...

--------RvP--------
Nani--Kagawa--Tony V
---Carrick+1---
--Settled back 4----
-------DDG---------
----Howard Webb--



hopefully.

Nani to lace up his boots and fecking get some balls.

We don't really have a great amount of quality cover either now.

Welbeck is no where near ready to lead the line with a goal-scoring burden,
RvP's the only real cover for Kagawa (RvP can play #10 very well, he himself reckons he's a #9.5) and that'll make it unideal for the #10 spot.

Nani and Young aren't playing well either, and we have 0 defensive cover at the moment, bar Buttner.
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Think you are right

The RVP/Kagawa combo will hopefully motivate Rooney to improve and raise his game when he is back

I'd have Cleverley in there next to Carrick - he's been in super form
 
This is a crazy stat...

"The Japanese actually finished with the lowest pass completion rate of United's outfield starters, but that was still 89%"
 
I'm always right said:
Based on?

As I said, pretty certain Kagawa was bought mainly with the big games in mind, a better link between midfield and attack than Rooney. Who'll spearhead the attack I don't know.
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Didn't know Rooney's role in big games was to link the midfield with the attack.

Who exactly was playing up front in that case ?
 
Nani Nana said:
If you're basing this "consistent basis" on two games, yes we'll have to agree to disagree.

I thought about 180 goals in 360 games were proof enough of Rooney's ability to deliver on a consistent basis. Now why we would need Kagawa's eye for a pass rather than Rooney's eye for a goal bewilders me, aside of our natural taste for novelty when an exciting player arrives. It's not like we did not already have two players among the top 10 assistents last season (Valencia and Nani) and just brought a third in Van Persie.
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I'm talking about Rooney's inability to consistently control a football, or to keep hold of possession with several players around him. This has been very apparent for about 6 years now.

Don't get me wrong, on form and at the top of his game, Rooney is an awesome player. Kagawa has not done enough as of yet to show me he's better than that version of Rooney. Thing is, that version of Rooney doesn't turn up enough.

Edit: I watched a fair bit of Kagawa last year. He was great - his short passing game, vision and touch was brilliant. There is a Dortmund fan on here that I'm sure would echo those sentiments.
 
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