Shinji Kagawa

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Decotron said:
To say your own original statement is "absolutely bang on" is quite funny. Self praise is no praise. The fact that you've actually kept digging is funnier.

Its actually fking embarrassing, as well as being absolute horseshit. Welbeck is now the worst finisher in the league. Ok so chief, what exactly are you smoking ?

edit....actually Ive decided you're on a wind up. To say Welbeck is easily the worst finisher in the league!!!! :mad: looper

even Scholesy didnt say shit like that!
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Welbeck's finishing is absolutely horrid.

For a striker, it absolutely is; which is what I said when i expanded my comment in reply to yours. Orton also said i was 'kinda' right, and it's the aspect that he needs to work on the most. That's what I said, and I don't doubt that many would agree that his finishing is terrible at present. It is.
Inexperience whatever, the fact is, we have 2 strikers who are better all round in almost every way than he is, and can hit it in the back of the net far more often than he does, even given the same chances.

If he does, he'll see a lot more appearances.

I've been frustrated when he's bearing down on goal and contrives to screw it up, and im sure SAF understands why and whatever more than me, but in the end, he'll be annoyed that we've made our play correctly, but have nothing to show for it in the end because it's not ended up in the back of the net, and it's happening time after time with him.

Fact is, he's competing with lads like Shinji, who are of a similar age to him, and of course every young lads going to have issues with their game, heck the experienced ones do too! But in this case, it's a massive massive weakness. In fact, it's the bread and butter of strikers; getting the ball in the back of the net. He can't do it at present, he shouldn't get too many starts, and should practice it.
 
Anyone else becoming a little more certain we'll see him operating from the left quite a lot this season?

Granted it may not be his best position but I still feel by watching him play he would be incredibly effective for us there. Especially the way Evra overlaps on that side.
 
cw1984 said:
Anyone else becoming a little more certain we'll see him operating from the left quite a lot this season?

Granted it may not be his best position but I still feel by watching him play he would be incredibly effective for us there. Especially the way Evra overlaps on that side.
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I really hope not, Kagawa is one of those players where we need in the position he is currently playing even if he may be more effective on the left. We need him where he is because it improves our play a huge amount.
 
Relevated said:
I really hope not, Kagawa is one of those players where we need in the position he is currently playing even if he may be more effective on the left. We need him where he is because it improves our play a huge amount.
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It's certainly something I'd like to see us try. I think he could be great there. And let's face it, he needs to nail down the left wing or CM spot or he'll be on the bench a fair bit.

RVP up top with Rooney behind is how we'll shape up in most games when everyone's fit.
 
After his early performances, I think he's already nailed down a spot in our team. We look a completely different, more fluid entity when he's in the team and has the ball. He's going to be one of our most crucial players this season in my opinion.

I don't think we should play him out left though. The comparison to Silva is valid, but they already have central players who can be creative for them through the middle. We don't really have anyone who can do what Kagawa does centrally, plus we already have two excellent wingers in our side already.
 
Since his debut in the friendlies, he's walked into the side and redefined our style of play, we look so different with him in the side... we've always been an attacking side and play good football but he makes us look very refined and Barcelona-like. Cleverley has aided this transition also but the last game in particular, especially with RVP not dropping as deep as Rooney does.. allowed Shinji to dictate the game alot more and feel like the main man.

Great player to watch, a classical playmaker.. can't wait to see how he fares against tougher defences and in the Champions League, will be interesting to see how he and Hazard compare in the big games.
 
So easy to fawn over isn't he?

Hope we start him every game and we have enough sense to make sure he sees a lot of the ball much like when Scholes is on the pitch when we make sure he controls play.
 
Interview of his :

Q) So, Robin van Persie wasn't the only one to mark his home debut with a goal . . .

Kagawa: Mine wasn't exactly in the same bracket as his, but it felt great.

Q) You couldn't miss, really, could you?

No, not from two yards out! That wasn't the sort of goal I usually score so I hope next time I will show the United fans what I can do from longer range. My game is not just about scoring, though. I like to create openings. I was really disappointed to see the flag go up after I was involved in the move that led to Rafael's offside 'goal'.

Q) What differences have you noticed between here and the Bundesliga?

The physical side of it is the first thing. I need to adapt to that. The other thing is the quality through the division. In Germany, the top few teams were so much better than the rest, but, here, every opponent is difficult.

Q) Do you feel you could influence games even more?

Yes. We seem to pass the ball sideways a lot, but I want team-mates to start giving me the ball from all areas and angles. I need to speak to them about this, because I want them to have the trust in me to play the ball forward.

Q ) Language is a problem, isn't it? How are you coping with Sir Alex Ferguson's team talks?

I can't tell a word he says! I am trying to learn English, but understanding the manager might take a little longer . . .
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Love this bit and he's quite right.
 
Everything he says is just the right thing isnt it? Hes like chicharito in the fact he just seems overly joyed to be here. Seems very self confident but not brash, almost the perfect combination.
 
Relevated said:
I really hope not, Kagawa is one of those players where we need in the position he is currently playing even if he may be more effective on the left. We need him where he is because it improves our play a huge amount.
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This seems odd, given that Rooney, when on form, is more than capable of playing behind the striker.

Again, as with some many things United, the form/confidence/attitude/fitness/etc. of Wayne Rooney plays a key role.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Everything he says is just the right thing isnt it? Hes like chicharito in the fact he just seems overly joyed to be here. Seems very self confident but not brash, almost the perfect combination.
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Speaking of Chicharito, wouldn't it be great to see him getting back into the thick of it. He was such a breath of fresh air two seasons ago, and I think some have been too quick to write him off.
 
He's absolutely correct about sideways passing. I love that he has the confidence to speak up about this despite only playing 2 competitive games.

I think he and Cleverley will form a very good understanding and I hope we use Kagawa more often instead of constantly going to the default option of passing it out wide everytime and getting nowhere.
 
The bolded part is spot and him playing centrally is going to be a big aspect of our play this season I think, especially in the CL.
 
He’s brilliant. He has settled in really well. He links defence with attack. He gets on the half turn and creates chances. I can’t speak highly enough of him. I love playing with him – one and two touch, high-energy football. We’re on the same wavelength -- Tom Cleverley on Shinji Kagawa
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Special K ;)
 
wr8_utd said:
Interview of his :



Love this bit and he's quite right.
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Seems a lot of us who think that aren't being over critical as others like to believe. It's a very important point he makes. And it's not only to do with him. We generally tend to pass it sideways a tad too much for the quality of players we have. One reason why I think we do that is because we don't pass it quickly enough. The slower the tempo is the more time you allow the opposition to plug the gaps and shut down your passing options. We tend to wait too long and then eventually take our safe option of as always going out wide.
 
wr8_utd said:
Interview of his :



Love this bit and he's quite right.
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It's inevitable it'l change if its him Clev Rooney Nani and RVP as the 5 in front of Carrick. Lots of possibilities in that front 5. Its great to see that he's willing to talk to other players about it.
 
He's right. Some players thinking keeping the ball is passing it sideways for the sake of it. We've seen a few games, where we've dominated the ball but created feck all because we've been too cautious. Well said Shinji.
 
I love that quote from him. Would have been even better had it come from Fergie or the other players though. He's spot on.

Give Shinji The Ball™
 
Some posters here were more incline of us signing Götze than Kagawa. In hindsight, has these posters' opinions swayed with the acquisition of this brilliant little footballer? In other words, did we pick the right one?
 
He makes a good point that he shouldn't have needed to make. Saying that, he was a lot less expressive himself on Saturday - had his fair share of pointless backwards passes from what I remember. Still quality, though.
 
KingEric7 said:
He makes a good point that he shouldn't have needed to make. Saying that, he was a lot less expressive himself on Saturday - had his fair share of pointless backwards passes from what I remember. Still quality, though.
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You can't always pass it forward. But we didn't see as many (any?) of his killer through balls against Fulham.
 
I thought his awareness was a bit off on saturday. Several times he received the ball in space with his back free, but chose to play a backwards pass first time instead of turning and running at the defence.

It will all come with confidence, and when we learn to utilize him better. Love the look of this fella, will be a cracking signing.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Goetze was never signable. Just be glad we could get Kagawa
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Yeah, important little detail. I'd rather we bought Marco Reus, but I'm not giving up that we will eventually!

But really we need possession in the middle of the pitch more than we need more goals, we scored a ton last season. So really Kagawa is a better fit than either of those Germans.
 
Credit to the scouts.

The lad oozes class. He's very effective in his unique understated way. Nothing flash about his style of play.
 
Sultan said:
Credit to the scouts.

The lad oozes class. He's very effective in his unique understated way. Nothing flash about his style of play.
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Indeed, genuinely think we have the best scouting network in the world. Less than half the price of Hazard and over 4 years younger than Cazorla. Such a promising signing.

Not that we'd be interested in selling him, but as an asset his value will likely more than double within a few years.
 
Theon said:
Indeed, genuinely think we have the best scouting network in the world. Less than half the price of Hazard and over 4 years younger than Cazorla. Such a promising signing.

Not that we'd be interested in selling him, but as an asset his value will likely more than double within a few years.
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Hazard IMO is more talented then Kagawa & is potentially a world class player.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
Hazard IMO is more talented then Kagawa & is potentially a world class player.
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He is definitely potentially a world class player, no question. Whether he's better than Kagawa is debateable, they are slightly different with Hazard more direct and a better dribbler, but Shinji can help control a game better than Hazard and IMO is the classier footballer. I'd have Kagawa personally.

But anyway, point is that even if he is slightly better (which I don't agree with) he isn't twice the player of Kagawa, but cost twice as much with far higher wages.
 
Theon said:
He is definitely potentially a world class player, no question. Whether he's better than Kagawa is debateable, they are slightly different with Hazard more direct and a better dribbler, but Shinji can help control a game better than Hazard and IMO is the classier footballer. I'd have Kagawa personally.

But anyway, point is that even if he is slightly better (which I don't agree with) he isn't twice the player of Kagawa, but cost twice as much with far higher wages.
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He is potentially twice as better as Kagawa. Does he fulfill that potential is to be seen. But Fergie clearly wanted both of them. To think Kagawa playing in the hole with Hazard on the left wing would have been a frightening prospect.
 
Baby Faced Assassin said:
He is potentially twice as better as Kagawa. Does he fulfill that potential is to be seen. But Fergie clearly wanted both of them. To think Kagawa playing in the hole with Hazard on the left wing would have been a frightening prospect.
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:nono: No, he really hasn't mate.

If they both reach their potential can't see there being much between them at all, they will both be world class.
 
Sultan said:
Credit to the scouts.
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TBF Caftards who've watched a bit of the Bundesliga have been raving about him for a couple of seasons.

It wasn't entirely that difficult to "discover" him. The real credit must go to the Dortmund scouts for picking him out of the J-league.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
TBF Caftards who've watched a bit of the Bundesliga have been raving about him for a couple of seasons.

It wasn't entirely that difficult to "discover" him. The real credit must go to the Dortmund scouts for picking him out of the J-league.
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Agreed. United scouts cannot take much credit on this one.
 
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