A people's Revolution

My question - what has this got to do with the American Governement?

Nothing, but people from countries used to totalitarian rule cannot understand that the goverment has no hand in the media and movies. They are so used to everything being controlled by the goverment.

Also they are just a bunch of pathetic morons looking for an excuse to riot
 
Are you even reading the thread? You've got the order of the Egyptian and Libyan incidents wrong, and the Muslim Brotherhood made a statement praising the protest, and calling for a larger one on their Arabic-language twitter feed.

I could have a more informed discussion of this with Romney ffs...

Tbf the MB have to make that statement....they don't want to be 'out-muslimed' by anyone. They're not going to get love from the liberals...they can't afford to lose the conservative support.
 
Are you saying you read 'Muslim Brotherhood made a statement praising the protest, and calling for a larger one' as 'Muslim Brotherhood say to break more laws and burn more flags'?

Given that they're praising a protest where laws were broken and flags were burnt, you hardly have to go a long way out of your way to read approval.

I just see a political group calling for lawful demonstrations, but maybe I'm missing something. I know the Muslim Brotherhood don't have the best reputation, should I be reading between the lines that the Muslim Brotherhood is inciting violence?

Maybe this'll make it easier?

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If they piss off the yanks enough to put their loan in jeopardy, I'm thinking attempted military coup within a couple of months.

It is a delicate balance for them...don't piss the US off(Obama has stopped calling Egypt an ally, since the MB took over)...but you can't also be seen to be cozy with the enemy.

“The Egyptian government is not an ally, nor an enemy.” - that's a huge statement.
 
My question - what has this got to do with the American Governement?

Nothing!

As I said previously a Muslim would go to a mosque or in a corner of the house and pray for those responsible for the film.
 
Nothing!

As I said previously a Muslim would go to a mosque or in a corner of the house and pray for those responsible for the film.

This is what you WISH Islam was defined by, but it's not. A significant percentage see it differently. It's not a coincidence that a huge chunk of religion-related violence in the recent past can be attributed to Islam.
 
It is a delicate balance for them...don't piss the US off(Obama has stopped calling Egypt an ally, since the MB took over)...but you can't also be seen to be cozy with the enemy.

“The Egyptian government is not an ally, nor an enemy.” - that's a huge statement.

This delicate balance will also be expressed in the Israel-Hamas agreement, the details of which we still don't know. Hamas basically stems from MB, but despite the clear pro-Hamas rhetorics that helped anger-venting in cairo during the recent escalation of violence, Mursi needed a cool head in working with both sides towards that fragile agreement.

Meanwhile, worrying signs in Egypt, particularly to those predicting political transformation towards democracy:

22 November declaration

* All investigations into the killing of protesters or the use of violence against them will be re-conducted; trials of those accused will be re-held
* All constitutional declarations, laws and decrees made since Mr Mursi assumed power cannot be appealed or cancelled by any individual, or political or governmental body
* The public prosecutor will be appointed by the president for a fixed term of four years, and must be aged at least 40
* The constituent assembly's timeline for drafting the new constitution has been extended by two months
* No judicial authority can dissolve the constituent assembly or the upper house of parliament (Shura Council)
* The president is authorised to take any measures he sees fit in order to preserve the revolution, to preserve national unity or to safeguard national security

Egypt unrest: Anti-Mursi protesters flee 'tear gas'
 
A Muslim Brotherhood member was killed and 60 people were injured on Sunday in an attack on the main office of the Brotherhood in the Egyptian Nile Delta town of Damanhour, the website of the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party said.

"Brotherhood member, Islam Fathy Masoud, 15, was killed and 60 were injured after thugs attacked the Muslim Brotherhood's headquarters in Damanhour in the total absence of police forces," the website said. (Reuters)
 
So what powers has Morsi actually taken on over and above what he was given when he became leader.
 
Morsi is playing a very dangerous game. His party doesn't have the mandate to survive something like this.
 
I doubt he will remain in office much longer unless he liberalizes his policies and reverses his recent power grabs. Even then, it may be too late given the instability that has been set off.
 
translate?
 
First time to get shot today, pellets ,head and neck ..on the hand of the motherfecker brothershit !!
 
I would echo the advice of staying home, either way I hope you bring down those Brotherhood loons.
 
New pellets in my back. missed those earlier

All superficial hopefully.


We can't stay home with this dictatorial decree in place and this bungled constitution possible.
 
How did the constitution give him the tools to perform this power grab in the first place?
 
What's the alternative to the brotherhood? Is there any serious non-islamist/ secularist opposition at all or is Egypt simply doomed to a succession of autocratic rulers who exert more or less the same levels of oppression?!

(You know that when Nelly Furtado sings about Arab Spring something has gone massively wrong)
 
State of Emergency declared in Port Said, Suez and Ismailia - Morsi calling for National Dialouge, opposition rejecting until certain pre-conditions are met.

On the surface this(the State of Emegency) is because of the violence caused by the sentencing of football hooligans, but there is a bigger movement against the current government.
 
Egypt is a total mess. The revolution seems to have replaced a secular dictatorship with an Islamist one. Tempers are boiling, while the Brotherhood finds that running a country is harder than throwing away a dictator.

This has nothing to do with football hooliganism obviously.
 
^Not defending the Brotherhood in any way whatsoever...but I do find it funny how so many people don't realize this very point

while the Brotherhood finds that running a country is harder than throwing away a dictator.

Governing is a hell of a lot more challenging than being in the opposition, you are actually accountable for your words and deeds.

But putting that aside, despite the very real challenge the MB or anyone would have faced in trying to run Egypt today, a lot of the decision making from the MB has been stupid to put it mildly.

Surely they must realize, they aren't going to survive in the medium term being a dictatorship? No matter what constitution they frame, the ppl now have a taste for protests and the power popular uprisings have....MB has to be pragmatic or we'll be looking at the military taking back control very shortly.
 
It's sad that the world that was seemingly in horror over this, don't seem to care anymore.
 
Morsi is just the Islamist version of Mubarak. Hopefully the MB will be brought down in the near future. The vacuum of power after Mubarak gave them the perfect opportunity and a disorganized populace could not oppose them. That's why the quick elections after his downfall were a bad idea. There was no opportunity for an opposition to form. The fragmented public needs to get some semblance of unity if they want to challenge the MB in anyway. Even toppling them leaves no real opportunity for the future if there are just hundreds of fractious groups.
 
Egyptian troops deployed to keep order after Brotherhood offices attacked

By Reza Sayah and Greg Botelho, CNN
June 29, 2013 -- Updated 0440 GMT (1240 HKT)
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American killed in Cairo violence

(CNN) -- Egyptian troops canvassed streets Friday after a fresh spate of violence in the volatile North African nation, hoping to prevent a repeat of the bloody, chaotic revolution of two years ago, a military spokesman said.
Military forces have been deployed nationwide to protect Egyptian citizens and property, Ahmed Ali told the MENA state news organization, as reported by Ahram Online, another official news agency. The Ahram story recalled how police stations came under attack, prisons were broken into and shops were looted in the unrest of early 2011.
"These measures are being taken to avoid a January 28, 2011, scenario," the spokesman said. Those protests and a government crackdown culminated in the ouster of longtime Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.
Friday's move follows deadly clashes in Alexandria and elsewhere, many of them targeting Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.

Four members of that Islamist group -- which was banned under Mubarak but has risen to power since his fall, most notably in the form of President Mohamed Morsy who has been in office for a year -- have been killed in recent days.
Morsy: One year later
The Alexandria office of the Brotherhood's political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party, was attacked Friday.
Health Ministry spokesman Yehya Moussa said one man was killed by a gunshot wound to the head during clashes outside party headquarters.
And on Friday night, he said that a 21-year-old American had died in the Alexandria clashes.
The young man's family identified him as Andrew Driscoll Pochter, a Kenyon College student living in the Egyptian port city to teach English to 7- and 8-year-old children. Their understanding was that he'd been witnessing the events "as a bystander (when he) was stabbed by a protester."
"He went to Egypt because he cared profoundly about the Middle East, and he planned to live and work there in the pursuit of peace and understanding," his family said. "Andrew was a wonderful young man looking for new experiences in the world and find ways to share his talents."
State media reported that 70 were injured in the same clashes.
Two people were shot dead Thursday when armed men attacked the Muslim Brotherhood officers in Zagazig, Morsy's hometown, spokesman Gihad Haddad said.
The identity of the shooters is unknown, but Haddad said witnesses heard the gunmen shouting "down with Morsy."
Another Muslim Brotherhood member died from injuries he suffered in clashes in Mansoura, Haddad said.
"I feel rage and the inability to act," he said. "I feel there is a treasonous police force that's allowing this to happen."

Morsy gave a speech this week highlighting his achievements during his first year in office.
But the largest opposition umbrella group said Morsy did not address his shortcomings, and issued a statement calling for snap presidential polls, a new government and constitutional amendments.
Morsy's speech "only deepens our resolve to press our demands for early presidential elections in order to achieve the aims of the revolution, most important of which is social justice," the statement said.
Haddad said that the Brotherhood's policy is to never respond to attacks against it with violence. However, he seemed to suggest that the Brotherhood's leaders may not be able to stop reprisal attacks.
"I don't think organization will matter that much. I am concerned because, if anything, these killings are infuriating the youth. All the martyrs are Brotherhood youths," he said.
He said the Brotherhood would go ahead with planned demonstrations Friday in Cairo followed by an indefinite sit-in.
If the sit-in extends to Sunday, it would coincide with mass demonstrations planned by opposition factions in front of the presidential palace.
Governments around the world are paying attention -- at the least, to make sure that their own workers and citizens are safe.
About 200 U.S. Marines in Sigonella, Italy, and Moron, Spain, have been put on alert as a precaution, according to two officials in President Barack Obama's administration.



So far the victims have been Muslim Brotherhood members and this lone American. But things are starting to turn really ugly - I saw video clips of Pro-MB/Morsi clerics being openly hostile towards Al-Azhar University, which is really troubling. Al Azhar is respected widely in the muslim community the world over.
 
Israeli flag burned as protests sweep Egypt

Israeli flag burned as protests sweep Egypt
In anticipation of major anti-Morsi protests scheduled for Sunday, protests sweep Egypt leaving 36 wounded, 2 dead, one of which an American journalist. During protests, huge Israeli flag burned.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4398284,00.html

Still a ray of light there, as both sides identify the root of the problem.