More complete than Scholes and Carrick?
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More complete than Scholes and Carrick?
37 year old Scholes who is left wanting defensively, and Carrick who isn't nearly as good going forward as Ando.
Scholes is ether going forward, Carrick better definsively but Ando is good at both.
Anderson is about as complete as a three year olds jigsaw puzzle and most definitely not our best midfielder, not yet anyway.
His potential is higher than Carrick's for sure. On a good day he's better even now, for me. It's just a case of staying injury free and excelling in tigher games.
Of course his potential is higher but he isn't at Carrick's standard yet anyway.
I can't really understand how someone can conjure the idea that he's our best and most complete midfielder after one good game against a considerably weakened Newcastle side in his first start in ten months.
I can't really understand how someone can conjure the idea that he's our best and most complete midfielder after one good game against a considerably weakened Newcastle side in his first start in ten months.
There's only so long the potential tag can apply. He's no longer 19 or 21.
I don't think Jake is saying anything very controversial here. Anderson is the most complete midfielder we have.
Doesn't necessarily mean he's the best or most consistent.
Doesn't necessarily mean he's the best or most consistent.
He said he was the best
Anyway, he's far from complete, his passing is erratic, his positioning is poor, his stamina and fitness are generally not great, he's not great in the air, his goalscoring isn't the best (though improving), his tackling is lacking.
Seriously, he's anything but complete, I guess you could argue that these are all things he could improve and he could become a complete midfielder but he's still a total work in progress and one good game doesn't change that.
He's our most talented midfielder and his the potential etc to be the best though, no doubt.
You should put a 'Warning for those suffering from epilepsy' tag on that.
He said he was the best
Anyway, he's far from complete, his passing is erratic, his positioning is poor, his stamina and fitness are generally not great, he's not great in the air, his goalscoring isn't the best (though improving), his tackling is lacking.
So which of our other midfielders has all of these? And I totally disagree that his positioning is poor, he's also just fine in the air.
Anderson is as strong as an ox, fast, excellent running with the ball, can defend and attack. I seriously think he's the most complete of our midfielders as an all-rounder when fit, but he's far from the best just yet. He'll need a full season in form and injury free first.
no he isnt........but not many centre midfielders do much before 23-24.
Carrick is basically the epitome of being very good at most things whilst not great at anything. You've listed a few things there that Anderson is excellent at (or can be) but he's weak in a lot of other areas still.
I seriously think people are overreacting after last night, it wasn't too long ago that people were complaining about his ridiculous Hollywood balls and lack of positional discipline, and one lovely strike isn't enough to convince me he can be a goalscorer either.
I'm not overreacting on last night, I just said "he's far from the best midfielder we have" did I not?
And I was bigging him up long before last night, he showed me enough at the beginning of last season to know that he'll be a great midfielder for us if he gets some luck with injuries. And as he started showing last season, he's becoming a goal threat too.... finally, I mean, he's bloody Brazilian after all.
I think he can be as good as Yaya Toure is now, both of them are very, very similar players. Just needs consistency and some injury free time. He adds a different dimension to our team and our team is excellent to watch when he's on fire. Still think though he works better in a three man midfield than a two man midfield.
That's not to say that he doesn't perform well in two man midfield, but in a three man midfield we utilize his talents better with perhaps less defensive responsibility.
That's not to say that he doesn't perform well in two man midfield, but in a three man midfield we utilize his talents better with perhaps less defensive responsibility.
I wasn't implying you were overreacting, just previous posters who claimed he was our best.
I don't doubt he can be a great midfielder, that's clear, whether he does is another story, because whenever he does something good he ends up doing something bad and the whole cycle repeats himself. This is make or break season for him now. He is far from being complete though, nowhere near Carrick in terms of that, but he's seven years younger so I wouldn't expect him to be.
EDIT: As good as Yaya
See what I mean Guybrush?
I don't doubt he can be a great midfielder, that's clear, whether he does is another story, because whenever he does something good he ends up doing something bad and the whole cycle repeats himself. This is make or break season for him now. He is far from being complete though, nowhere near Carrick in terms of that, but he's seven years younger so I wouldn't expect him to be.
EDIT: As good as Yaya
See what I mean Guybrush?After 1 game? You are having a laugh. He's been pretty good whenever called upon since last year really. Shame he spent so much time out injured last year.
Like I said, after his first start in ten months, not one game ever.
He had as many bad games as good games last season too.
I was really impressed with Anderson last night. He may not be our 'best' midfielder at present but he certainly offers something that no one else in the squad does in that position.
He's very good at carrying the ball and beating a man, he also doesn't have a bad eye for a pass and obviously has a goal threat about him too.
He's played well alongside Carrick on several occasions in the past but I honestly think that he and Cleverley bring out the best in each other. If we are going to be without Valencia and Young for a few weeks then I think we should be using a similar system to last night which is one that he seems to thrive in.
He's very good at carrying the ball and beating a man, he also doesn't have a bad eye for a pass and obviously has a goal threat about him too.
He's played well alongside Carrick on several occasions in the past but I honestly think that he and Cleverley bring out the best in each other. If we are going to be without Valencia and Young for a few weeks then I think we should be using a similar system to last night which is one that he seems to thrive in.
Please stay fit Ando!
His goal last night was exceptional. Running whilst being harassed and slightly off balance, most players would have put that shot into row z, or half way between the post and the corner flag. I just want him to stay fit and get a run of games, he could surprise more than a few doubters!
His goal last night was exceptional. Running whilst being harassed and slightly off balance, most players would have put that shot into row z, or half way between the post and the corner flag. I just want him to stay fit and get a run of games, he could surprise more than a few doubters!
Impossible to determine. Absolutely pointless to debate given there roles/ability.
Its a pity fans dont display the same patience with all our players as is afforded to Anderson ...
Not a bad point that at all Deco.
Belting goal from Ando last night.
Mind you, I suspect we'll only get the best out of him when he's in an attacking role. Playing him deeper just doesn't suit his style of play at all.
It helps when we play a 3 man midfield too because he has the freedom to attack, so let's hope we see more of that formation in the future.
Mind you, I suspect we'll only get the best out of him when he's in an attacking role. Playing him deeper just doesn't suit his style of play at all.
It helps when we play a 3 man midfield too because he has the freedom to attack, so let's hope we see more of that formation in the future.
Like with any other player there are some fans who give him patience while there are others who wanted him out long ago or thought he was just not good enough.
Belting goal from Ando last night.
Mind you, I suspect we'll only get the best out of him when he's in an attacking role. Playing him deeper just doesn't suit his style of play at all.
It helps when we play a 3 man midfield too because he has the freedom to attack, so let's hope we see more of that formation in the future.
His best position is CM in a 3-man midfield. He's not an attacking midfielder, never will be, not a Silva or a Kagawa. His biggest strengths are that burst of pace from deeper positions, his first touch and his ability to shield the ball. I don't think he's a particularly incisive passer though.
Can't work out whether you're agreeing with me or not. (Not saying he's a 10...he's an 8) However he does like to attack and that's where he's most comfortable.
Fans always have different opinions on players but with Anderson its more than that. Im convinced its to do with his personality. Compared him to Fletcher and the abuse he got. Very odd.
One good game at Newcastle in the COC doesn't suddenly make him our 'best' midfielder, or anything like it. All the 'told you so' Anderson fans need to wind their neck in. How many of these false dawns have we had with Ando? Too many.
A handful of good/decent games every season is not good enough for a 23 year old with clear potential. He should have established himself by now, especially considering our midfield problems. Hopefully he can kick on from this. Although, it feels like I constantly hear this phrase when it comes to Ando.
I have been a critic - but I would honestly like to see him stay injury free and get a run of games, so we can hopefully see the 'best' of him for a sustained period of time.
A handful of good/decent games every season is not good enough for a 23 year old with clear potential. He should have established himself by now, especially considering our midfield problems. Hopefully he can kick on from this. Although, it feels like I constantly hear this phrase when it comes to Ando.
I have been a critic - but I would honestly like to see him stay injury free and get a run of games, so we can hopefully see the 'best' of him for a sustained period of time.
He played well last night, but it was nothing we didn't know he could do already. Well, bar that great strike.
I think the key as always with him is consistency. Given a run of games, staying injury free, he's good enough to start with Carrick in most matches. But I've gotten to the point were I've basically given that up, so as to not get disappointed whenever he breaks down again.
I think the key as always with him is consistency. Given a run of games, staying injury free, he's good enough to start with Carrick in most matches. But I've gotten to the point were I've basically given that up, so as to not get disappointed whenever he breaks down again.
Anderson's definitely got a lot of abuse in here - particularly over the summer. Some of the posts:
Have a word with yourself.
Are you deluded or just a massive fanboi?
He can pass? Can he, feck. His passing is absolutely atrocious at times. He is clever? No he isn't, too many brain dead moments to even begin to mention. His shooting is improving? Erm................ He's quick? Not stand out quick at all, pretty average pace, I would reckon.
Seriously, this place sometimes.
And do you know how Anderson looked at the time? Here's a few pictures taken from the matches most of them are talking about:
They're just ridiculous.
And then when some defend him saying he isn't fat, there are comments such as this:
Pogue's post in July is pretty accurate:
Now both are being criticised but after Anderson's good performance he's got some good comments.
Some of the comments are fair enough but then there's some that are uncalled for. There are posters who have sided with him as well but he's definitely had a lot of bile spouted towards him over the years and particularly in the summer as shown above.
I agree. The more games he plays the more confidence he'll get, his fitness will improve and we should see the best of him. Problem is keeping him injury free but I'm hopeful. Particularly if he's learned from past injuries. He had a little injury a few weeks ago and it seemed to be sorted fairly quickly - and that may have been due to them seeing it and treating it early rather than him playing/training through the pain again.
I don't think there is any need to get overexcited about these types of performances. He's always been capable of this, anyone with a decent football brain could see it.. but the problem is, he always has a few games like this and ends up injured... purely because he's not a naturally fit guy and doesn't pay careful attention to diet etc.
If he gets injured again, expect everyone to lose faith again and the doubters to call for his head and to be honest I wouldn't blame them.. part of being a professional footballer is being able to prove you can be consistently healthy and fit to play. If Anderson fails to prove he can last an entire season without injury (major) .. Fergie will be close to losing patience.
If he gets injured again, expect everyone to lose faith again and the doubters to call for his head and to be honest I wouldn't blame them.. part of being a professional footballer is being able to prove you can be consistently healthy and fit to play. If Anderson fails to prove he can last an entire season without injury (major) .. Fergie will be close to losing patience.
If we were in a champions league final tomorrow, Anderson would be starting with Carrick and Cleverely for me.
Determine? I'm not talking about something we can physically measure. But I personally think that given his natural ability he has the potential to be much better than Carrick. Slightly different roles but in the end they play in the same part of the pitch.
And what players are you talking about? The reason fans (and Fergie) are patient with anderson is because of the player he can potentially become which is pretty much the fairest manner.
Anderson's situation is just an ongoing tale of deja vu.
- Starts the first half of the season showing plenty of promise, finding his rhythm leading to a number of plaudits admiring his obvious talent. Then breaks down with injury at some stage, returns briefly and then finishes the season injured again.
You just feel that it could be a case of not having the personal dedication to properly condition himself and he may not find the same thing happening over and over again. I understand he has been unlucky at times, but it still baffles why he has never improved his stamina in the five years he's been here. I suppose it's all if's and but's for the everyday supporter coming to their own conclusions as we don't really know what is going on - but with his future being uncertain you just wonder if United do eventually sell him, whether he will have any significant re-sale value or will he be flogged elsewhere for a relatively small sum.
- Starts the first half of the season showing plenty of promise, finding his rhythm leading to a number of plaudits admiring his obvious talent. Then breaks down with injury at some stage, returns briefly and then finishes the season injured again.
You just feel that it could be a case of not having the personal dedication to properly condition himself and he may not find the same thing happening over and over again. I understand he has been unlucky at times, but it still baffles why he has never improved his stamina in the five years he's been here. I suppose it's all if's and but's for the everyday supporter coming to their own conclusions as we don't really know what is going on - but with his future being uncertain you just wonder if United do eventually sell him, whether he will have any significant re-sale value or will he be flogged elsewhere for a relatively small sum.
Cina really hates Ando, strange he hasn't mentioned the pies yet.
Anyway I was really glad for him last night, a very good performance from him and I always said that he is better than Cleverley and his potential is very high. I only hope that he will not be injured often anymore and prove his skeptics wrong. Starting him against Spurs wouldn't be a bad idea considering that they play with 2 powerful midfielders (Sandro and Dembele).
Anyway I was really glad for him last night, a very good performance from him and I always said that he is better than Cleverley and his potential is very high. I only hope that he will not be injured often anymore and prove his skeptics wrong. Starting him against Spurs wouldn't be a bad idea considering that they play with 2 powerful midfielders (Sandro and Dembele).
I know what you're getting at, but I think that completely depends on the opposition.
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