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ArmchairCritic said:
Need to control the tempo more, not every ball needs to be a through ball.
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Couldn't agree more. And not just through balls, it seems like every time he gets the ball he want to run with it and attack the space(I know). Slow it down, you can pass it sideways sometimes, his game looks like we are trailing and we have nothing to lose.
 
It's hardly a surprise though; we've taken a Brazilian attacking midfielder with plenty of flair and attempted to convert him to a disciplined centre midfielder. He should be playing ahead of Cleverley and Carrick instead of in the two.
 
Worse than an empty shirt tonight. It's one step forward, two steps backward with Anderson.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
The whole team except Rooney, Kagawa and Vidic were terrible.

I still have faith. The positive is that he didn't get injured. Have faith everyone.
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WHAT? Evra was arguably our best man and he was terrible? OK then... The rest of the team were quite shite though. Rafael was good when he came on. RVP was mediocre at best.
 
Oops forgot Evra.

But my point is that Anderson was off just like the majority of the team.

Let's wait and see what he does in the next few games.
 
KingMinger22 said:
He would not get game time in our CL competitors reserve teams.

Get rid.
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I don't know if you are serious, but if you are you have never played football at a high level. I have, and Carrick and Anderson did well on that pitch. The main problem was the distribution from the back and the midfield not able to pass at one touch under pressure because of the sorry state of the pitch.

I keep on finding problems with our game today, but I can tribute most of them to the state of the pitch. The problem is that we came out intended on playing football, but was stuck in a battle (that Southampton was in for from the start). We did not manage to adjust to the nature of the game on that pitch and that is all down to what we set out to do. This perfomance will not hurt us at all, it will only make the next game a lot easier.

I really hope we sort out the pitch and I really hope that Anderson will play as a regular because he has made us look great when he has played this season. I can find players that are better at most aspects of the game, but he has a directness and a penetrative force against teams with compact midfields that is second to none. If you like it or not, he is important to our style of play and to unlocking teams.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Just out of interest how high have you played Giggsforever?
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I was playing as a youth player for a top division club in my country. And I was close to game time at the top division (on the bench for four top flight games). But, joining the army is mandatory in my country, so I had to join shortly after my 19th birthday and went on to be a professional soldier for some years. I actually had a friendly against Middlesbrough when Bryan Robson was manager there and was told off by Viv Anderson for not being polite enough when asking for his autograph. Pretty scary, he was a rather big caracter. I got the autograph and a small chat that ment the world to me at that time. Told my wife the same story when I saw him in the dog outs today.
 
Giggsforever said:
I don't know if you are serious, but if you are you have never played football at a high level. I have, and Carrick and Anderson did well on that pitch. The main problem was the distribution from the back and the midfield not able to pass at one touch under pressure because of the sorry state of the pitch.

I keep on finding problems with our game today, but I can tribute most of them to the state of the pitch. The problem is that we came out intended on playing football, but was stuck in a battle (that Southampton was in for from the start). We did not manage to adjust to the nature of the game on that pitch and that is all down to what we set out to do. This perfomance will not hurt us at all, it will only make the next game a lot easier.

I really hope we sort out the pitch and I really hope that Anderson will play as a regular because he has made us look great when he has played this season. I can find players that are better at most aspects of the game, but he has a directness and a penetrative force against teams with compact midfields that is second to none. If you like it or not, he is important to our style of play and to unlocking teams.
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Southampton played on the same pitch as us, and they were knocking the ball around easily.

Lazy excuse.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Southampton played on the same pitch as us, and they were knocking the ball around easily.

Lazy excuse.
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It's not, as I said, they came out fighting, we came out playing. They got the advantage. I don't argue that we failed in many ways, I just stated the reason why it ended up the way it did.
 
Giggsforever said:
It's not, as I said, they came out fighting, we came out playing. They got the advantage. I don't argue that we failed in many ways, I just stated the reason why it ended up the way it did.
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That's not what happened.

Southampton noticeably shortened their passing in the second half, this allowed them to put us under pressure quickly when they lost the ball.

If the pitch was so shit that it was impossible to play football on then they would have suffered more in the second half than us.

Edit: In fact, the assertion that Southampton out fought us is almost as lazy as the first criticism. An assumption that the only way a lower team can make life difficult for us is fighting. Both teams tried to play football, in the first 30 minutes we out played them. In the 2nd half they out played us.
 
NinjaFletch said:
That's not what happened.

Southampton noticeably shortened their passing in the second half, this allowed them to put us under pressure quickly when they lost the ball.

If the pitch was so shit that it was impossible to play football on then they would have suffered more in the second half than us.
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Southampton changes was positional and that gave them the ability to play the way they did against our set up. They managed to give us a battle in the midfield and It gave them the edge. If we could have played, or had the likes of Nani on earlier, they would not have gained that advantage.

If you can't see that their batteling ability gave them the advantage in the second half, then I don't know.
 
Giggsforever said:
Southampton changes was positional and that gave them the ability to play the way they did against our set up. They managed to give us a battle in the midfield and It gave them the edge. If we could have played, or had the likes of Nani on earlier, they would not have gained that advantage.

If you can't see that their batteling ability gave them the advantage in the second half, then I don't know.
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They won the 50/50s yes, but the reason they put us under so much pressure was because of them closing us down.

They were only able to close us down because they played shorter passes meaning that if they lost the ball there was likely to be 2 players in the vicinity to win it back.

A short passing game along the floor would suffer more from a dodgy pitch than whatever the feck we were trying to do in the 2nd half.

Us and Southampton played on the same pitch.

The pitch, therefore, can't have had a huge effect on the game as the team that it should have effected more coped fine with it.

Therefore, it is lazy to blame the pitch for our ineptitude in the second half.
 
I would say the pitch had more of an impact on andersons ability to carry the ball through the centre than it did on his passing meaning that he was forcing passes that weren't on
 
Giggsforever said:
I don't know if you are serious, but if you are you have never played football at a high level. I have, and Carrick and Anderson did well on that pitch. The main problem was the distribution from the back and the midfield not able to pass at one touch under pressure because of the sorry state of the pitch.

I keep on finding problems with our game today, but I can tribute most of them to the state of the pitch. The problem is that we came out intended on playing football, but was stuck in a battle (that Southampton was in for from the start). We did not manage to adjust to the nature of the game on that pitch and that is all down to what we set out to do. This perfomance will not hurt us at all, it will only make the next game a lot easier.

I really hope we sort out the pitch and I really hope that Anderson will play as a regular because he has made us look great when he has played this season. I can find players that are better at most aspects of the game, but he has a directness and a penetrative force against teams with compact midfields that is second to none. If you like it or not, he is important to our style of play and to unlocking teams.
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Blaming the pitch? Terrible excuse.

Incase it escaped your attention, Southampton, with a team largely comprised of former championship players, played on the same pitch and bossed the second half to a level that few teams at Old Trafford do.

They did it by pressing high, working hard, and being tidy when they got the ball back. Somple, but effective tactics, which relied on there ability to keep the ball when they won it back.

Carrick and Anderson were poor - Anderson in particular, who despite a lot of people still seemingly being convinced he's a star in the making, hasn't made any major improvements in years and at times looks liek he's actually going backwards.

A decent result last night, and its what winning titles is all about - but Anderson needs to improve massively if he's ever going to have a long term career at United.
 
One poor game ffs!He was really really poor no doubt but lets not use one game to decide he is absolutely shit.

He has been very good in most of his recent appearances.

The comments are typically foolish.
 
RedRover said:
Blaming the pitch? Terrible excuse.

Incase it escaped your attention, Southampton, with a team largely comprised of former championship players, played on the same pitch and bossed the second half to a level that few teams at Old Trafford do.

They did it by pressing high, working hard, and being tidy when they got the ball back. Somple, but effective tactics, which relied on there ability to keep the ball when they won it back.

Carrick and Anderson were poor - Anderson in particular, who despite a lot of people still seemingly being convinced he's a star in the making, hasn't made any major improvements in years and at times looks liek he's actually going backwards.

A decent result last night, and its what winning titles is all about - but Anderson needs to improve massively if he's ever going to have a long term career at United.
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Anderson has better statistics both in terms of goals and assists and passing accuracy than at this stage of any other season and has been visibly better so I don't see how anyone can claim he's going backwards. Last night was his worst game of the season by far but overall his improvement this season has been obvious so to say it looks like he's gone backwards is fairly ridiculous
 
well..it's true Southampton came out fighting...pressing higher up the pitch, winning 50/50 balls, winning tackles, but surely with our group of players we should have matched the fight, surely at united and with our players we can adapt to what the opposition are doing and alter our own tactics on the pitch to counteract what they are doing no matter who is playing.

To be honest I can see quite a number of games like this for the rest of the season, not so much against the top sides..but certainly lower and middle. We sometimes looked a bit nervous last night, and its only January...so I think we have to hold on to our seats a bit.
 
The guy isn't a star in the making, that is just a crazy dream from 2007. As he approaches his 25th birthday; I think that it is fair to say that, at the top level, this fellow is mediocre, a 4th or 5th choice midfielder for a top club, as he is here.
 
jb8521 said:
Anderson has better statistics both in terms of goals and assists and passing accuracy than at this stage of any other season and has been visibly better so I don't see how anyone can claim he's going backwards. Last night was his worst game of the season by far but overall his improvement this season has been obvious so to say it looks like he's gone backwards is fairly ridiculous
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I maintain my opinion.

It seemed when he joined that he'd be a real star, looked good in his early years and was developing nicely.

When he's good he can be excellent, when he's bad he's awful. He's not a kid anymore, and doesn't seem to have any level of consistency. That to me is a major problem.

When Fergie brings players like Anderson in to games like Southampton - in this case seemingly to let Cleverly have a rest, he needs to have confidence that whoever comes in can do a job against what in this case, are average opposition.

I feel a bit sorry for the kid because he suffers from a lot of injuries - but if each time he's out he needs half a dozen games to get fit and firing then where does it end?

I of course hope he can get a good run of games and become the player he clearly has the talent to be but with each period out and dip in form I have my doubts. Especially given that he plays in a position where you need solid, consistent and experienced players to be succesful and hwere the best players are fixtures in the sdie for the vast majority of games.
 
I only saw the highlights yesterday so I cant comment on the specifics of Anderson's performance, he looked OK in the highlights, bar a couple of wayward passes. But no matter how bad he was, it was only one game, and he has been really good in most of the games Ive seen him in this season. He is blatantly not mediocre, that's for sure. If he could just stay fit for a decent period of time, surely everyone would be able to see the folly of that opinion.
 
togg said:
well..it's true Southampton came out fighting...pressing higher up the pitch, winning 50/50 balls, winning tackles, but surely with our group of players we should have matched the fight, surely at united and with our players we can adapt to what the opposition are doing and alter our own tactics on the pitch to counteract what they are doing no matter who is playing.

To be honest I can see quite a number of games like this for the rest of the season, not so much against the top sides..but certainly lower and middle. We sometimes looked a bit nervous last night, and its only January...so I think we have to hold on to our seats a bit.
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Spot on mate!
 
So is Anderson back to being shit again now?

It's hard to keep up...
 
RedRover said:
Yet again you talk in riddles - if you have an opinion as to why its nonsense then say it - don't just leave a single word answer.

I really don't think you get the point of an internet forum.
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jb8521 said:
Anderson has better statistics both in terms of goals and assists and passing accuracy than at this stage of any other season and has been visibly better so I don't see how anyone can claim he's going backwards. Last night was his worst game of the season by far but overall his improvement this season has been obvious so to say it looks like he's gone backwards is fairly ridiculous
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This guy said it above my post, didn't think it needed repeating directly after.

And the word "nonsense" isn't a riddle, it just means I think you're talking complete tripe as you often do.

So this guy gave you many reasons as to why it was nonsense and if you wanna make this a goid discussion, how about you back up your claim that he is in fact "going BACKWARDS"?
 
He misplaced too many passes and had a lot of lose touches on the ball. Poor performance from him, but the first one in a long time.
 
#Carl said:
So is Anderson back to being shit again now?

It's hard to keep up...
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This is redcafe, after a string of fine performances, why wait for a few bad games before claiming said player to be crap, one bad game is not allowed.

If Anderson plays like that for the next 4-5 games then I'd understand, rather than his 2nd game back from injury.
 
I'm always right said:
This guy said it above my post, didn't think it needed repeating directly after.

And the word "nonsense" isn't a riddle, it just means I think you're talking complete tripe as you often do.

So this guy gave you many reasons as to why it was nonsense and if you wanna make this a goid discussion, how about you back up your claim that he is in fact "going BACKWARDS"?
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The other poster laid his reasons out, rather than chime in with smart arsed remarks.

You're name is apt. I don't see why you bother contributing if you're not actually intending to enter a debate or accept that other people have contrary opinions.

I've watched a lot of football over the years - and have seen plenty of players labelled the next this or that as youngsters. Anderson has been at the club for years, and I'm of the opinion that if a player is ever going to develop into a top level player he tends to do so before his mid twenties. There are exceptions - but not many.

As it stands he's mostly injured and largely inconsistent.

Judging by your comments in the Modric thread you seem to rate him and have faith that he'll come good. You might be right - but I have major doubts, and given his up and down form and poor injury record I dont think that's unjustified.

"Going backwards" should be qualified - he's played less games over the last couple of seasons than before and to me is no longer as likely to be a first choice when all players are fit.

He's at an age where he should be heading towards his peak, and playing 30 to 40 games a season, rather than well behind Cleverly and Carrick in the pecking order.
 
RedRover said:
I'm of the opinion that if a player is ever going to develop into a top level player he tends to do so before his mid twenties. There are exceptions - but not many.
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He's at an age where he should be heading towards his peak, and playing 30 to 40 games a season, rather than well behind Cleverly and Carrick in the pecking order.
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Most players start to peak around 27-28. For strikers it seems to be a fair bit earlier, for goalies somewhat later.

Anderson's failed to play lots of games largely because of injuries, not cos he's not good enough to. And I wouldn't say he's 'well behind' Tom Cleverley, I think they're in pretty close competition for a place, with Anderson the more senior player and Cleverley in the better current form.

He's still got it all to prove, no question. But at 24 he's got a fair while to prove it.
 
RedRover said:
The other poster laid his reasons out, rather than chime in with smart arsed remarks.
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Like I said, why repeat when a poster has just made a wonderful counter argument to yours right above mine. Sometimes posts are so idiotic that they deserve nothing more than a "nonsense", imo of course. Other posts deserve debate, yours rarely do, but that said....

RedRover said:
"Going backwards" should be qualified - he's played less games over the last couple of seasons than before and to me is no longer as likely to be a first choice when all players are fit.
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Anderson this season had just made himself first choice before he got injured.

And besides that, what is this garbage about "he's played less games over the last couple of seasons than before"... why make stuff up? that's not debating, it's just nonsense.

This season Anderson, withstanding injury (which we never know with him) is likely to surpass his appearances for every other season other than his debut season. His ball retention is better, his assist stats are better, and yet you have decided "he's going backwards".

So now I've given you plenty of reasons, when to be honest, you yourself should have just known that you were talking hyperbolic knee-jerk nonsense because he had a poor game last night.
 
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