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He's a waste of space

And this, even after he'd scored his first goal in yonks.

Jesus wept, the guy put in some beautiful crosses, great passing day, a beast on defense, and he's still getting slated by some. Thought he was one of our better players tonight, especially in the second half.

Agree about these "supporters" who've been slating him obsessively. They focus on the negative and self fulfill their antagonistic prophesies, and it's hard to move on no matter what.

Would it be possible that Ferguson has a drastically differing opinion on him that many of the anonymous footballing geniuses on here?
 
Tell that to Rooney in 08/09.

Why how many of his smashed crosses did he convert? However he did get a lot of crosses in that season. Doesn't change my opinion there are better crosses of the ball than Valencia. Give me a Nani Cross anyday.
 
Why how many of his smashed crosses did he convert? However he did get a lot of crosses in that season. Doesn't change my opinion there are better crosses of the ball than Valencia. Give me a Nani Cross anyday.

Which is a fair opinion. However, saying that he 'can't cross' is completely different.
 
Not sure if you've based your conclusion on those stats or not but they certainly don't support the point you're making.

First of all, you post some stats from last season as evidence of what he can produce on a good day.

Now, the only possible reason a very fit 27 year old footballer like him could have permanently lost his pace as you claim would be as a result of a very serious injury, or multiple muscle injuries (e.g. Giggs or Owen) The obvious serious injury for Valencia was his broken leg. This happened well over a year before he produced those stats. So if we're seeing acceptable performances almost 18 months after that injury, then we can safely assume the broken leg has nothing to do with his under-par performances this season. In the absence of multiple muscular injuries (which he hasn't had) then there's no plausible reason for him losing his pace, or going through some sort of rapid physical decline.

Based on the stats you yourself posted, we can rule out a physical cause for him playing poorly this season. What the stats do show, however, is someone who has become reluctant to take his man on, get to the byline and cross into the area. Stats aside, it's really quite obvious from watching him that he's not playing with any confidence. Feck knows how long it will take him to regain that confidence but lost confidence is a lot less of a worry, long-term, than this mythical loss of pace you seem to think is behind all his woes.

Anyway, does this really look like a footballer who's lost his pace?

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He's said himself that he is still struggling because of that break:

"It's not been quite the season I would have hoped for on a personal front," Valencia told United Review. "The injuries I've had have held me back a bit and I still get the odd twinge in my leg. That has perhaps affected my progress slightly."

It could well be that he tweaked it again at some point and since then it hasn't quite been the same since and he's been held back by it. Rather than being able to relentlessly charge the fullback he has to be a little more economical and wise and as such he's desperately trying to adapt his game but he's finding it very difficult because he doesn't really have anything to fall back on.
 
He's said himself that he is still struggling because of that break:

"It's not been quite the season I would have hoped for on a personal front," Valencia told United Review. "The injuries I've had have held me back a bit and I still get the odd twinge in my leg. That has perhaps affected my progress slightly."

It could well be that he tweaked it again at some point and since then it hasn't quite been the same since and he's been held back by it. Rather than being able to relentlessly charge the fullback he has to be a little more economical and wise and as such he's desperately trying to adapt his game but he's finding it very difficult because he doesn't really have anything to fall back on.

I think you're clutching at straws here, mate. Even if he said that, it doesn't necessarily mean he lost pace - it can be a number of things. At one assist (of three assists) for Ecuador recently he ran faster than I can remember anyone running at a pitch - except for that run against Liverpool.

Today he outpaced Jarvis a few times, who is certainly no slouch, so he can't be that slow, can he? And that's my point, if he can outpace Jarvis, why couldn't he take on a much, much slower Mikel against Chelsea?

All things considered, I'm quite happy with his performance today. Showed willingness and pace, worked his socks off and created a threat down that right wing. A goal is also a positive thing to carry with him to the next match.
 
I thought he was fine tonight... borderline good in fact. Especially after the goal, he was taking on players and put in some good balls.

Anyone heavily criticising him tonight is probably doing so out of a lack of an opinion, or because of some sort of agenda.
 
It was an improved performance and it showed what he can do when his confidence levels are up. More game time can only assist with that.
 
Them laced crosses I only remember him doing them this season since RVP has arrived. His previous way of crossing was better and yeah he put in a good one for RVP today.
 
He's said himself that he is still struggling because of that break:

"It's not been quite the season I would have hoped for on a personal front," Valencia told United Review. "The injuries I've had have held me back a bit and I still get the odd twinge in my leg. That has perhaps affected my progress slightly."

It could well be that he tweaked it again at some point and since then it hasn't quite been the same since and he's been held back by it. Rather than being able to relentlessly charge the fullback he has to be a little more economical and wise and as such he's desperately trying to adapt his game but he's finding it very difficult because he doesn't really have anything to fall back on.

I'd be amazed if he didn't get "the odd twinge". I was disagreeing with your idea that he's lost his pace. If anything, that quote supports the idea he's lacking in confidence more than anything else. As did the fact his best performance of the season came after scoring a goal.
 
He had a decent game last night and hopefully the goal does his confidence some good but I still think he slows down too many attacks for us. Hopefully his improved crossing continues though because that cross to RvP was :drool:
 
He's definitely improving gradually and has been doing over the past few weeks. He's never been one for celebrating goals (except that one at Blackburn, when it looked like he was going to rip his shirt off like Hulk Hogan) but you could see it seemed like a huge weight off his shoulders as he fist pumped his way back to the half way line. Good on him. Tap in or not, he did well to tuck in at the right time, as he's always been a touchline hugger and perhaps not getting involved enough when the ball isn't on his flank. Good play from him.
 
Not a huge fan of his style as a winger, but you can't come in here and say he isn't good enough. Looking a lot more comfortable receiving the ball and being involved in the build up. Crossing was decent to good, RVP isn't exactly prolific in the air and Rooney was nowhere near the box.
 
That ball for the RvP offside chance was sublime. Where has that been!

RvP I reckon wasn't expecting a ball of that accuracy and so early.
 
I saw the goal which was good for him. Just very little afterwards. I was hoping for a more in-depth look at how he did but I'll settle with the present comments.
 
I thought he was fine tonight... borderline good in fact. Especially after the goal, he was taking on players and put in some good balls.

Anyone heavily criticising him tonight is probably doing so out of a lack of an opinion, or because of some sort of agenda.

Borderline good??? Aren't you being a bit generous there? Jesus!
 
I thought he was good yesterday, put into context with how sloppy the whole team were at times.

I was also so happy to see how much the goal meant to him. Just a personal little fist pump to himself. I really hope he can get back to his best, because I love the guy.
 
He's the strongest winger I've ever seen, just throws full backs around.
 
Please explain to me exactly what was so good about his first half? What pass, cross, run, whatever...
 
He's been good this half imo, good link up play with rafa, been working hard and has looked tidy.
 
I praised his half against West Ham, but this half he's been the new old Valencia. He just slows our play down by holding on to the ball too long and doing that annoying 360 turn when he eventually runs out of options - due to holding on to the ball too long.

He hasn't really done much this half. He's not done much wrong either, but in a game like this he should be able to have a few moments where one goes "That was great" - all the other players on the pitch has had one of those moments in this half. He lacks ambition in his play. He showed it versus West Ham for 30 minutes where he took some initiative, but today he's just been a cone on the pitch.
 
He's been okay. His crossing still isnt up to snuff and the progress he makes running the ball forward tends to end up with him stopping as a defender gets back to him, then turning and passing backwards.
 
I praised his half against West Ham, but this half he's been the old Valencia. He just slows our play down by holding on to the ball too long and doing that annoying 360 turn when he eventually runs out of options - due to holding on to the ball too long.


He hasn't really done much this half. He's not done much wrong either, but in a game like this he should be able to have a few moments where one goes "That was great" - all the other players on the pitch has had one of those moments in this half.

Exactly. So many people have said he's been having a good half, but nobody can answer me when I ask them to pick a moment where he actually did something really good. It's all just "he's defending well, he's making runs, he's getting forward." Big fecking whoop, I could do all that.
 
His pass for the Kagawa miss was great, that's pretty much it.

(So far)
 
He's got himself back to form, which is a relief.

He's our most important winger.
 
Val is back in form. Had a bit of an off season. Even then he was important to the way we played.
Great to see him run again.
 
He had a good second half, for sure. Especially as some of our star performers in the first half faded a little.
 
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