Tonight proves why Mourinho should never manage at OT.

As if these types of performance haven't occurred under SAF, or Matt Busby, or any of the other greatest managers.

Poor season from Madrid though, thoroughly beaten in the legue and never really impressed throughout the CL campaign.
 
What a dumbass thread, Madrid were quality tonight... mean and hungry, chances galore but were let down by shocking finishing. I would have moved Ronaldo centrally though as I felt Higuain was being handled quite well.

Regardless, good result for Real, good performance.. just unlucky on the night.
 
Hal9000 said:
Don't get the point, they won 2-0 against a team that thrashed them in the 1st leg. One more goal and Madrid would of been in the final.
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Exactly.

I don't understand how you could arise to the point that tonight is why Jose should never manage us, when his team showed the type of spirit that United are massively famous for.
 
Livewire1974 said:
4-1 down. A home game to try and claw back the deficit. Yet a totally flat and inept performance. Some very basic examples were proven by Kaka. He passes the ball and fails to move. He then missed a chance, which went for a goal kick. Kaka was more interested in his hair than making a run to grab the ball from a ball boy and place it for the keeper to kick out. Following Madrids second goal, the players were more interested in celebrating than grabbing the ball and running to the half way line to get the game moving again. This kind of passion and aggression comes from the top down, and Mourinho fails to inspire this. This is the passion from the manager that ignites the crowd.

Imagine at Old Trafford under SAF? The crowd would be buzzing with how we go about our job of getting a 3-0 win.

I really hope the only time this lad ever sees the managers office at Old Trafford is when he is the visiting Chel$ki manager.
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You should stick around a bit more and check out the match day threads.
 
Blaming Jose for Kaka's vanity? Bit harsh.

The Portuguese does like to micro-manage but unfortunately he can't account for every little detail that occurs on the pitch...the players are...you know...human.

If you are seriously suggesting that Jose Mourinho cannot motivate players then I suggest your perception is slightly skewed. His Porto, Chelsea & Inter teams played for their manager with at times an almost maniacal intensity. He motivated his Real side to topple Barcelona last year....beating them at Camp Nou to virtually seal the Primera.
 
Absolute nonsense. Mourinho tried to change the game. They weren't flat; Dortmund made it very hard. The tempo they played at was damn near unsustainable for 90 minutes. They were running on adrenaline the last 10 minutes.

And that's the reason Mourinho shouldn't manage United? Then what the hell is Fergie still doing here? How many flat performances have we seen from him/us recently? City away, City at home, Liverpool away (for years), FA Cup ties.

Mourinho was proactive tonight. It didn't come off. They won 2-0, and the reason they didn't go through was not his fault.
 
Eh? I know it's a cliche to ask - but did you watch the game?

Madrid came out strong, could certainly have been 1, 2 goals up in the first 15 minutes. They couldn't maintain the intensity and Dortmund not being a crap team the game became much more balanced. Before Mou switched to 3 at the back and got the score back up to 3-4 before running out of time.

Now lets talk about the first leg.
 
I reckon if we played Dortmund we'd have spent the whole game either camped on the edge of our own area or chasing the ball around. Ala Bilbao last year.

They're a much better team than Madrid, and I thought Real made a good fist of it not to be humiliated. The game was only a contest because Dortmund are young and Reus seemed to be banned from passing the ball to anyone on his team.

I'm not a fan of the idea of Mourinho taking over from Fergie, but this United team produced five completely flat, sulky performances in a row following a single defeat to Mourinho's Real. The Uniteds I know and love would have come out fighting the very next game, and Fergie still does...sometimes it's not something the manager alone can control.
 
To be fair, Madrid will probably produce five flat performances in a row after meeting Dortmund.
 
I'm not sure what that would prove either way. They've nothing to play for and Jose's fecking off at the end of the season anyway.

At the end of the day they lost by a single goal over two legs to a team comfortably superior at football to them, and could even have nicked it.
 
Livewire1974 said:
And their heads went down once they were not. All down to the manager.
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That changed the striker and put on Kaka for a full back? Kaka and Benzema improved their attacking game. Brought urgency to it. It was shaky for a while but Khedira brought on a bit more stability at the back that Alonso (poorest player in over both legs) failed to provide.

I can't see how they were tactically outplayed. In the first game they played exactly like we would have done but their defense just didn't hold. It's not like Dortmund's goals were brilliant. Two Lewandowski goals were because of a total mishit outside the box (finished the 2nd one brilliantly thought), a penalty that could have been a handball. Dortmund finished all their chances. Real were just rubbish going forward. Something we've seen from our own team from time to time (especially in the CL) this season.

Disliking a person is no excuse for rubbish arguments.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Jaysus, you can't all be writing off Mourinho because Klopp outwitted him over the two legs?
Did you write off Ferguson when Barcelona outplayed United twice in two finals?
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The majority of people seem to only consider the last result'performance as a benchmark.

That's why opinions change totally from one day to the next.
 
What a bizarre thread. It wasn't Mourinho himself that missed Real's chances. As said earlier they could have overturned Dortmund in the first 30 minutes. Granted Dortmund had a few chances on the break, which is always going to be the case when the other side is chasing the game by so many goals, but Madrid were only a goal short at the final whistle.
 
Sack Mourinho, sell Ronaldo.
 
Jose is the second best manager currently managing. You are saying that you wouldn't want the second best manager when the best one retires? :wenger:

Rafa outwitted Jose over a few CL semis, but its laughable for anyone to suggest hes the better manager. Over time Jose delivers wherever he goes, but even so he is not the god of all things football, he does occasionally get it wrong, and its clear his tenure at Madrid is not the happiest one.
 
Sam said:
Madrid scored 2 in the last 7 minutes today. When we were losing to Chelsea in the cup, we did feck all in the final minutes. Just lumped a few hopeful balls forward. There was certainly no drive or passion that day.

As for Mourinho failing to inspire, thats just madness.
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I remember RVP missing a sitter on the day with Young and Evra creating a good chance for the Dutch wizard!

The OP must also be talking about another match as Madrid gave it their all in this game. They had 8 goal attempts in the first 25 mins. If Mesut Ozil wasn't such a plonker, Ronaldo could have gotten a simple tap-in in the first half.

Madrid were aggressive. When the first goal went in, they crowded the goalie who was trying some cheap gamesmanship by clutching to the ball to waste time. Cup competitions are always like this. The best team rarely wins. Chelsea won it with a team that finished 6th in the Premier League.
 
stubie1234 said:
So some people don't want continued success once fergie leaves? This guy delivers it! Can't win them all every year.
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At a cost. See below. Hire mourinho = selling your soul to the devil.

rcoobc said:
If we'd been being managed by Mourinho for the last 2 or 3 years, what club would Welbeck be playing for?

Not United in my opinion.
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Hannibal said:
I remember RVP missing a sitter on the day with Young and Evra creating a good chance for the Dutch wizard!

The OP must also be talking about another match as Madrid gave it their all in this game. They had 8 goal attempts in the first 25 mins. If Mesut Ozil wasn't such a plonker, Ronaldo could have gotten a simple tap-in in the first half.

Madrid were aggressive. When the first goal went in, they crowded the goalie who was trying some cheap gamesmanship by clutching to the ball to waste time. Cup competitions are always like this. The best team rarely wins. Chelsea won it with a team that finished 6th in the Premier League.
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Unless because of a refereeing error or cheating method, the best team always wins without exception i'm afraid.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Unless because of a refereeing error or cheating method, the best team always wins without exception i'm afraid.
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Chelsea were not the best team in Europe last season. Inter were not the best in 2010. Chelsea's best shot at the Champions League was in 2009 when they outplayed Barcelona. Liverpool weren't the best team in 2005 and Porto weren't the best team in 2004. That's just a sample size of 8 seasons. The only competition the best team wins is the domestic league.
 
Hannibal said:
Chelsea were not the best team in Europe last season. Inter were not the best in 2010. Chelsea's best shot at the Champions League was in 2009 when they outplayed Barcelona. Liverpool weren't the best team in 2005 and Porto weren't the best team in 2004. That's just a sample size of 8 seasons. The only competition the best team wins is the domestic league.
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Ok but we were the best team in the champions league last season, as were Inter in 2010.

Just trying to correct this misconception. Its technically impossible to be the best team in the competition and not win it unless you win it by cheating or referee error.

I do also think that the ECL is a decent indicator of a teams quality besides the league, its not quite as crude as the FA cup for example where you could draw home games against average sides until the final.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Ok but we were the best team in the champions league last season, as were Inter in 2010.

Just trying to correct this misconception. Its technically impossible to be the best team in the competition and not win it unless you win it by cheating or referee error.

I do also think that the ECL is a decent indicator of a teams quality besides the league, its not quite as crude as the FA cup for example where you could draw home games against average sides until the final.
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How were you better than Bayern exactly by winning in a penalty shoot out? You're basically excluding luck from the equation.
 
Steev said:
Mourinho is a tourist. I don't think I would trust him with SAF's legacy.
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Ayee, agreed.

I quite like him as a person and find him entertaining, but I don't want him near Old Trafford.
 
Hal9000 said:
Don't get the point, they won 2-0 against a team that thrashed them in the 1st leg. One more goal and Madrid would of been in the final.
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Sure but come on, Madrid were lucky as hell. One goal and they all got excited as did the crowd for the first time in the game. Madrid could have scored earlier but so too could Dortmund. Overall in the 180+ mins Borussia Dortmund were miles better, no questions.
 
Livewire1974 said:
4-1 down. A home game to try and claw back the deficit. Yet a totally flat and inept performance. Some very basic examples were proven by Kaka. He passes the ball and fails to move. He then missed a chance, which went for a goal kick. Kaka was more interested in his hair than making a run to grab the ball from a ball boy and place it for the keeper to kick out. Following Madrids second goal, the players were more interested in celebrating than grabbing the ball and running to the half way line to get the game moving again. This kind of passion and aggression comes from the top down, and Mourinho fails to inspire this. This is the passion from the manager that ignites the crowd.

Imagine at Old Trafford under SAF? The crowd would be buzzing with how we go about our job of getting a 3-0 win.

I really hope the only time this lad ever sees the managers office at Old Trafford is when he is the visiting Chel$ki manager.
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Just like when a red card feck our concentration and we did nothing, toothless after barca's first goal in the CL final

Ok, let's imagine if its moyes instead of him
 
Livewire1974 said:
4-1 down. A home game to try and claw back the deficit. Yet a totally flat and inept performance. Some very basic examples were proven by Kaka. He passes the ball and fails to move. He then missed a chance, which went for a goal kick. Kaka was more interested in his hair than making a run to grab the ball from a ball boy and place it for the keeper to kick out. Following Madrids second goal, the players were more interested in celebrating than grabbing the ball and running to the half way line to get the game moving again. This kind of passion and aggression comes from the top down, and Mourinho fails to inspire this. This is the passion from the manager that ignites the crowd.

Imagine at Old Trafford under SAF? The crowd would be buzzing with how we go about our job of getting a 3-0 win.

I really hope the only time this lad ever sees the managers office at Old Trafford is when he is the visiting Chel$ki manager.
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What a compelling argument.
 
Claymore said:
Sure but come on, Madrid were lucky as hell. One goal and they all got excited as did the crowd for the first time in the game. Madrid could have scored earlier but so too could Dortmund. Overall in the 180+ mins Borussia Dortmund were miles better, no questions.
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Both fixtures came down to keeping and the finishing. Madrid could've easily been up 3-0 in the first half last night if not for their nervy finishing. Dortmund were overall the better side over both legs, but Madrid could've just as easily thrashed them 5-1 last night if they had their shooting boots on.
 
It's a good job we've never turned in a flat and inept performance isn't it, OH WAIT.
 
I thought this would be about his comments after the game.
 
Livewire1974 said:
4-1 down. A home game to try and claw back the deficit. Yet a totally flat and inept performance. Some very basic examples were proven by Kaka. He passes the ball and fails to move. He then missed a chance, which went for a goal kick. Kaka was more interested in his hair than making a run to grab the ball from a ball boy and place it for the keeper to kick out. Following Madrids second goal, the players were more interested in celebrating than grabbing the ball and running to the half way line to get the game moving again. This kind of passion and aggression comes from the top down, and Mourinho fails to inspire this. This is the passion from the manager that ignites the crowd.

Imagine at Old Trafford under SAF? The crowd would be buzzing with how we go about our job of getting a 3-0 win.

I really hope the only time this lad ever sees the managers office at Old Trafford is when he is the visiting Chel$ki manager.
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I think that's a little harsh personally. Madrid absolutely flew out of the blocks and had Dortmund on the ropes for the first 25mins or so and only but from some poor finishing from Higuain and Ronaldo would have been a few up during that time.
 
I don't agree one bit with the OP to be honest. They not only won the game 2-0 but could have easily scored 2-3 goals at the start of the game.
 
Carl said:
I think that's a little harsh personally. Madrid absolutely flew out of the blocks and had Dortmund on the ropes for the first 25mins or so and only but from some poor finishing from Higuain and Ronaldo would have been a few up during that time.
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Nothing wrong with missing chances, the teams attitude was all wrong once they felt they were not going to qualify. Yes, United do have off days, but its very rare that we see a poor attitude from the team. Madrid we missing for 90% of the 180 minutes of the semi final.
 
Platato said:
How were you better than Bayern exactly by winning in a penalty shoot out? You're basically excluding luck from the equation.
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Because our goalie saved more penalties. I really don't want to get into this debate heavily again as its not pertinent, and tends to start off essays, just accept that unless by cheating or referee error ( ie Nanis sending off) it's not possible for the winning team to be inferior as a team to the losing side.
No matter how many penalties or chances are missed or how much possession the other team had.

Luck - a chance happening which favours one side ( Liverpools beach ball incident, Nanis sending off)

Barca and Bayerns finishing was poor as a team, and their penalties weren't as good. Thats their problem, not a chance happening.

Dortmund deserved to go through regardless of the actual technicalities anyway, they were far superior in the first leg in every way.

As it happens people talk about where we would have come in a league that consisted of all these top teams. Maybe they should check our record in the last decade vs Barca and Bayern.
 
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