Wanye Rooney now apparently according to the Daily Fail...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Mourinho-wants-Wayne-Rooney-join-Chelsea.html
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Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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PSG preferred Cavani, Monaco preferred Falcao, Barcelona preferred Neymar and Bayern preferred Lewandowski. Rooney has been on the market for quite some time. I am confident that Manchester United would have rather sold him abroad (even with a discount) then to Chelsea/Arsenal. Yet none of these clubs were willing to place a bid for him.
I wonder if such questions would be raised if Messi or even Fabregas were on the market.
Yep. It's a shame Rooney doesn't have any of those assets.
“Yo Moyesy, I’m really happy for you, Imma let you finish but Jose is one of the best managers of all time…one of the best managers of all time!”
Aye, none other.
This is ridiculous.
Anyone see what Darren Can just posted on twitter. On my phone so can't link it but something about a man being arrested for allegedly blackmailing Rooney. In relation to texts apparently and the story should break tomorrow.
He can score goals but he's not a natural finisher. He's fairly technical but not as much as the likes of Berba let alone Ronaldo and he's got a football brain but nowhere near to players like Raul and Baggio. I am not saying he's shit. But lets face it, he's currently not one of the best strikers in the world. FFS he's not even the best striker at OT.
I agree, he's not Messi....more like Robbie Savage - all endeavour and nowt else... Thankfully we've fooled Mourinho!
I don't know where to start.
You're being ridiculous now. I wouldn't have compared him with players like Ronaldo, Raul and Baggio if I thought that he's shit. Anyway my point is clear. Whether we agree with it or not, Rooney is not rated as highly abroad as he's in England.
Honestly I cant understand your reaction. I can name you 2-3 good players who were/are in the same situation. Totti (rated alot in Italy/Spain but not in Britain), Di Canio and Zola (viceversa). However Id rather how things stand Id rather spend my dosh on the likes of Falcao or RVP then him. Its a shame though. In his first years at United I rated him more then Ronaldo.
When Rooney is focused and fit he's as good as anyone outside of the very best, Messi, Ronaldo and Ibra. However he seems at least to me to lack the drive to keep himself as fit as he could be and for whatever reason sometimes his game goes absolutely to bits, I can understand a player loosing their scoring touch, but his touch in general goes awol, and he can't seem to even do the basics. Whether that's linked to fitness or not I don't know. I take the point that it's easier to pick up these things when you watch a player every week, but tbh I've not seen other top united players suffer this same problem as often as I have with Rooney so don't really buy that.
It's hard to see where this situation is gonna go. It seems we're pretty firm on not selling him domestically and in fairness Chelsea's bids to date have not been worth considering. There doesn't seem to be any interest from abroad either. I've said it before but I think if we don't sell him I don't think he'll cause problems. I think he'll just get on with it. I think if there is any ill feelings between the players they'll get over it, what he did in 10, was much worse than this so far and they seemed to get past it. The fans are another matter, but if he performs I think most won't give him slack but I doubt many will really cheer him properly again.
It's hard to see where this situation is gonna go. It seems we're pretty firm on not selling him domestically and in fairness Chelsea's bids to date have not been worth considering. There doesn't seem to be any interest from abroad either. I've said it before but I think if we don't sell him I don't think he'll cause problems. I think he'll just get on with it. I think if there is any ill feelings between the players they'll get over it, what he did in 10, was much worse than this so far and they seemed to get past it. The fans are another matter, but if he performs I think most won't give him slack but I doubt many will really cheer him properly again.
He has a little bit of that and a little bit of that. In the extreme. He comes short of the players you mention in the areas you mention, but those aren't exactly pub footballers. He is a "neither fowl nor fish" player who is effective at the highest level. That's a rare category in itself. Why do you think Fergie sanctioned his contract boost in 2010? Going by what some people seemingly think, Fergie completely fecked up on that one - allowing a fairly pedestrian sod, who might have been easily replaced, to hold the club ransom and get himself an obscene contract based on nothing much.
He was our most important player for several seasons - that counts for nothing, does it?
it's because he is not as widely regarded in the world as he is here on the Caf. Simply put, all the other top CL teams in Europe have better and more dependable forwards.
If you ask me, I prefer Rooney then Ibra. Stating that I've seen a slight but gradual decline in terms of performance throughout the years. Stats wise he was still fantastic. However while his workrate was still mint, there was a reluctance in doing that magic that attracted me to him in the first place. In my opinion his time at OT is up. For both the good of United and himself its time for him to leave.
Both Barca and Real Madrid have a consistent history of buying players they don't really need. Why weren't they in for Rooney then?
On the Caf? He's held in higher regard "in the world" than he is on the Caf at the moment.
I've compared him to some of the greatest players because that's how people rate him in here. That doesn't mean that I think that he's shit. As stated in previous posts I prefer him to Ibra which is not a bad player himself. However I dont rate him amongst the top strikers in the world. PLAYER WISE (not character) I prefer the likes of Falcao, Suarez and RVP then him.
Anyway my initial point is completely different. There's a difference between what I think and what a group of people think (in my opinion). Ive travelled and worked with alot of people in Europe and Rooney isnt as rated by them as he's rated in England.
maybe it's because I haven't followed this thread in awhile but the last time I checked, there were a lot of posts that screamed of desperation to have Rooney stay... without actually taking into consideration the aftermath of him staying against his will
Well provided we can get in a star player either up front or midfield/wings to replace him and someone offers a fee acceptable to us then I have no issues moving him on, but seeing as the former is unlikely and the latter is also seemingly unlikely with Chelsea's low bids and what looks like little interest elsewhere then he'll probably have to stay cause we still need him if he can back on form.
I have mixed feelings about his worth to be honest. He's a big name and can be instrumental for Chelsea to win the league. However he's 27, he's on decline (god knows if its form or something more permanent), he's unhappy at OT and he's got just 2 years left on his contract. If Arsenal doesn't show some teeth then I wont be surprised if he goes for 30-35m
the need to use that disclaimer, to me, means that he is not of that tier right outside the very best.
Yes, all footballers have talent and potential but it is up to them and what they make of it. Rooney simply isn't in that class of Iniesta, Fabregas, etc. even RVP... because he lacks the mental aspect needed to be a part of/stay in that elite group.
I find that somewhat hard to understand, my friend. You prefer Rooney to Ibrahimovic, but you don't rate him among the top strikers in the world? Is that to say you don't think Ibrahimovic is among the top strikers in the world, then? Below the level of Luis Suarez?
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I never understood this 'not a natural finisher' criticism. Rooney scores all types of goals and in the last few years he's scored more close range finishes as well. He's an excellent finisher but you're going to dismiss that because you believe he's a not a 'natural' finisher. He's scored 34 goals in a season, twice. You don't do that without your finishing being top draw.
Strange to criticise his football brain as well. He's 'one of the most intelligent strikers in the world' as Ancelotti put it. How many strikers are more intelligent than Rooney? Not many. Look at how Rooney changed from an explosive striker to one who makes almost 50 passes a match and also scores more often. Compare that to someone like Torres who turned to crap after losing some of his explosiveness. Rooney is an excellent footballer, not just a hard working player like you make out.
I never understood this 'not a natural finisher' criticism. Rooney scores all types of goals and in the last few years he's scored more close range finishes as well. He's an excellent finisher but you're going to dismiss that because you believe he's a not a 'natural' finisher. He's scored 34 goals in a season, twice. You don't do that without your finishing being top draw.
Strange to criticise his football brain as well. He's 'one of the most intelligent strikers in the world' as Ancelotti put it. How many strikers are more intelligent than Rooney? Not many. Look at how Rooney changed from an explosive striker to one who makes almost 50 passes a match and also scores more often. Compare that to someone like Torres who turned to crap after losing some of his explosiveness. Rooney is an excellent footballer, not just a hard working player like you make out.
I dont like Ibra very much both as a player and as a man so I may be biased on that. I've seen him throwing tantrums, insulting his club and play badly just to engineer a transfer to another club. That's a no no for me. Also Ibra had the habit to vanish when playing against top sides. Suarez scored against Shitty, Arsenal and Spurs with a team which is clearly inferior to them.
Character wise Suarez is a bastard too. However I cant recall a time when he played shite just to lower a couple of millions to his transfer tag.
Well as I said I think if we don't sell him he'll get on with it and if he accepts his situation then maybe he'll start trying to fight for his spot rather than demand a spot. Probably overly optimistic but at the same time I do think he wants to be the star man so hopefully he'll rise to the challenge. Also as I've said before I think if Chelsea don't get him then he may well be better of trying to get a new deal here. Chelsea will move on sooner or later and so once he starts approaching the end of his contract where he'd be 29 going on 30, he might not have as many lucrative offers, certainly not if he hasn't been performing. As I said happy to see him go if the right cash is offered and we have someone we can bring in, if not then we're back to one star player in RVP which was the problem before.
Well I didn't say he was up there just that he can be and has been before. I largely agree whilst he's often been talked about being right up there, largely by the press, it's only been a few seasons when he genuinely was but it's not for lack of talent.
Nonsense. He's been consistently good, both in England and Europe, for the last 9/10 years. Its amazing how being bought a new toy makes people forget, or undervalue, their old toys.
People are allowing their personal feelings about Rooney to cloud the truth. That he's a fecking quality footballer, and one of our most important players in his time here.
For much of his United career, he either had Ronaldo who attracted much of the defender's attention or else the team was built around him. I am not saying that he cant score goals but he's not a natural finisher. The likes of Ronaldo, RVP, RVN and Inzaghi are natural finishers and not him.
Regarding your second paragraph, well you know what they say about opinions. Everyone has one. The same Ancelotti who praised Rooney, kicked one of the most intelligent players ever out of his team because he couldn't fit him in his system. (Zola at Parma)
Your first point is bullshit. If anything, the runs Rooney made opened up extra space for Ronaldo to exploit. The 08 season had loads of examples of this.
Who let this one out of his kennel? Same old drivelish.
If I remember well Ronaldo was the most fouled player in the EPL whilst at OT. That kind of shows that he got plenty of attention from the defensive minded players.
One: That line is being used about him, or against him, alot. He isn't consistently brilliant, we can all agree on that. He is much more hot and cold than a player like Iniesta - not to mention the top duo of Messi and Ronaldo. But that doesn't say all that much. The number of players who are consistent at a level which seems to be the hallmark Rooney is compared against is slender indeed. Two: How consistently brilliant has Fabregas been since he left for Barca? Or even before he left for Barca? How consistently brilliant has any player in your "elite group" been, and how consistently brilliant would they have been in Rooney's role for Manchester United? Who comprise the elite group of strikers in the world? And which ones in that group could have filled Rooney's role for us in the past few seasons, matching his contributions for us?
I'd like to ask Fergie if he had been comfortable replacing Rooney with Falcao, or Benzema, or Cavani, or Lewandowski, or whoever you please - in the role he has played for our club since Ronaldo left for Madrid.
Still, the big clubs opted for the likes of Falcao, Cavani and Lewandowski then him.
Yeah Rooney back in those days was very good and played a very important role, thats why I was so hopeful of seeing a nani, kagawa rooney RVP front line, that had/has the capacity to be a great attack with a blend of smart passing and movement, ability to beat a man and good finishers. If Rooney got himself properly fit they could all gel so well. But for some reason he's not fancied the challenge and that's been the most disappointing thing about all this. I really thought Rooney would be motivated by the challenge, having perhaps slacked a bit since he became the undisputed star after the 09/10 season.
Before last season, I don't think I saw one poster saying "when he's focused" (etc) "....he's one of the best in the world".
Crazy how one "poor" season clouds opinions. Rooney is a winner and he's a sore loser. He loves being on the field and hates being subbed. People are talking as if he's notorious for not caring at times throughout his career.
Amazing.
Crazy how one "poor" season clouds opinions. Rooney is a winner and he's a sore loser. He loves being on the field and hates being subbed. People are talking as if he's notorious for not caring at times throughout his career.
Amazing.
Of course he did. It would be fecking retarded if he didn't. But you're basically saying all the goals Rooney scored happening because 11 players were on Ronaldo and Rooney tapped in the rebounds when Superman couldn't do it all by himself. As usual, Rooney has his role cut down to being nothing but a support act to Ronaldo. A nothing player who ambled around without ability knocking in tap-ins when he was unmarked.
Nah I'm sure the whole "Rooneys bottom level" thing has been a few seasons going now, its certainly being taken a lot further now but there's been some questioning over his focus for more than one season as far as I can recall anyway.
Where have I said that? What I said was that Ronaldo attracted much more attention from defenders then he did. Its only natural considered that he's a better player and much more lethal. Not to forget that defenders tend to hate being humilated by a 'punk' who dribbled his way out of any situation. That attracts attention.
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