Nah, I'm not moaning about anything you legitimately done or I didn't say that you didn't deserve to win the game. I'm just saying that if I supported a club with title winning/top 4 aspirations and they sat back defending, wasting time and diving for 90 minutes at home I'd be pissed off. Well done, you won the game but you also played like a total team of small time cnuts with the antics of your players which was the only point I was making. You can gloss over that all you want but it's a reality, you game raise against us and that says it all.
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Nah, I'm not moaning about anything you legitimately done or I didn't say that you didn't deserve to win the game. I'm just saying that if I supported a club with title winning/top 4 aspirations and they sat back defending, wasting time and diving for 90 minutes at home I'd be pissed off. Well done, you won the game but you also played like a total team of small time cnuts with the antics of your players which was the only point I was making. You can gloss over that all you want but it's a reality, you game raise against us and that says it all.
I thought Liverpool got it right tactically.
They're not currently the best team in the world. They finished 7th last season so there's clearly room for improvement. Quite why United fans are referring to them as small time for defending a lead properly when they have inferior players is baffling.
Sides can do whatever they want to you as long as it's in the rules, and that's what Liverpool did. It's up to you to have more than one shot on target all game.
They're not currently the best team in the world. They finished 7th last season so there's clearly room for improvement. Quite why United fans are referring to them as small time for defending a lead properly when they have inferior players is baffling.
Sides can do whatever they want to you as long as it's in the rules, and that's what Liverpool did. It's up to you to have more than one shot on target all game.
Again, I'm not saying that we played well or got anywhere near deserving to win, I'm saying that the tactics employed by Liverpool were small time. Defending so deeply at home, waving imaginary cards, rough housing players, diving, crowding the ref all game, time wasting and I don't know what the feck was going on with Skyrtel trying to pretend RvP had done something to him in an effort to get him sent off? Sorry but if that's not small time for a club who if you believe them think they have a starting eleven every bit as good as or better than ours. We're told that all the time so why do they have to resort to that. Surely Brenton's pass and move football would have been good enough.
you seem to have forgotten when ferguson would come to anfield looking for a draw.
I can't say I had a problem with their behaviour during the game. They were better first half, we were better second. They managed to grab a goal. Fair play to them.
Their behaviour post match, on the other hand, that, I consider small time. They edged their cup final and the celebrations proved it.
Their behaviour post match, on the other hand, that, I consider small time. They edged their cup final and the celebrations proved it.
Key words B.
It's not the playing defensively that I have particularly been moaning about, but you, al and the other tube seem to have decided to ignore that completely. It was to say your players and staff are all cnuts.
Was fecking sickening being in that shithole while they celebrated. When the result goes tits up its the worst place in the world you can be.
I don't approve of all that goes on either. But every team is just as bad for it. Crowding the ref all game is a tradition that started in Manchester too. I just don't see how what they did was particularly bad - our trips to Stoke under Pulis were far, far worse.
Stop that now al. If you want to debate then don't start that shite. You reckon Roy Keane was the first player to do that?
Nah, I was just pointing out it was a little hypocritical to accuse them of it. I feel you're overstating how small-time they were last week. That was nothing.
They managed the full package al.
Wrong to say small time. Having a lead against title winners, but playing back in the second half without leaving room for breaks was the right way to play it. As far as crowding the ref and doing all the cnutish things that players fo to get a result?- Your former Mgr did the same thing and be proud of it.
Moyes doesn't seem that type of Mgr. He needs to be though because when it used to get tense for united, the players knew that Saf was working as hard as he could with all his tactis, bullying, and whatever was needed to get the result. Add to that united players KNEW if they fecked up ,he was there to let them know. No it wasn't small time at all.
It was doin what you lot have done to us in the past.
Pick one.
Spoken from the fly on the walls of the hallowed corridors of power. Frankly some twerp chatting caramel logs on a forum who doesn't have much of a clue about anything is less concerning than a PL manager actually managing the team at the time. They did more than enough to win on the day but as it stands 11 men behind the ball were much better and 90mins wasn't enough to get a result. Shit like that happens from time to time and fans need to accept it..
That's even before the incompetence of the refereeing and the badgering and all the other shite he's gone on about. etc etc.
We've gotten abit lucky in our first few games. Penalty at stoke, giving up possession against Villa and you lot etc. But there is a different feel to how we're going about things. Reserved optimism really. The real positive is that defensively, we've looked really really solid and haven't given up too many chances. Will be interesting to see how Luis comes back in and whether Sakho immediately starts infront of Toure.
Definitely a better way to describe it.
yeah. no doubt. There's also no doubt we've played some really good football along the way.
My concern is this habit (been only 2 games) of conceding so much possession in the 2nd half and playing so deep. Regardless, 9/9, i'll definitely take it.
I've been critical of our performance but there's no way Liverpool deserved a win. You were even worse than us!
If these are 'small time' tactics then why do you see so many top teams using them? I don't see how a Manchester United fan can complain about crowding a ref either - you've been masters of that art for years.
If anything, I'm glad to see there's been a bit cheekiness/needle regained on the pitch - it's something that's been missing for a long time.
Quite ironic a United fan going on about "crowding the ref", they have been doing it for years.
Ferdinand and Giggs are always at it.
And mention diving too, dear me, what about Welbeck's tumble in the box.
They have had a long history of antics like that Ronaldo > Nani > Rooney > Young.
All clubs have players who do it. It's poor but it happens.
Ferdinand and Giggs are always at it.
And mention diving too, dear me, what about Welbeck's tumble in the box.
They have had a long history of antics like that Ronaldo > Nani > Rooney > Young.
All clubs have players who do it. It's poor but it happens.
I would have thought crowding the ref implies something like 4-5 players simultaneously shouting at him.
Yes we did celebrate it, but as Gary Neville once did after a late Ferdinand winner these games are big for players and supporters alike.
It's wrong to say Liverpool players do it more than anyone else - United players especially.
Key difference being late winner. A late goal always unleashes some mad celebrations, even more so vs Liverpool. I'm sure if it was the Utd players winning the match at OT vs Liverpool like last week's, things would have been a little different.
I agree and tbh the only true crowding I consider at the ones during the Classico by those Barca and Madrid twats. Other than that I don't think Liverpool players behave any worse than Utd's.
Couldn't watch the game, but just leave it already. They won, we lost.
They crowd the ref, Chelsea do too, Arsenal as well, us too, every club does it. Also, saying it's small time to celebrate so much at the final whistle, this is Man Utd vs Liverpool, it's always going to be small time antics from both sets of fans.
They crowd the ref, Chelsea do too, Arsenal as well, us too, every club does it. Also, saying it's small time to celebrate so much at the final whistle, this is Man Utd vs Liverpool, it's always going to be small time antics from both sets of fans.
I was talking about the players.
Fair enough, you do get a different atmosphere at these games, I can't deny I wasn't jumping up and down in the KOP at the end as I was.
You are the champions, and obviously there is a city rivalry there. It's a big game and means a lot to the fans of both clubs, maybe we are not your rivals in terms of challenging for the title so it was celebrated as a massive win for us.
It was great. Gerrard has been a bit more proactive of late with it too, playing on his Venerable Captain of England aura to get in the ref's ear. Hope to see more of that.
We did what we had to do. Scored a goal, then kept you from getting close to one.
I thought Liverpool deserved to win tbh. It wasn't the most pleasant of games to watch at times but they scored early and then did what they had to do to get the 3 points. Mignolet was rarely troubled.
Good start to the season so far from them (though as another poster said, with a sprinkling of luck) but they're looking very solid at the back at the moment. I'm very interested to see how they fit Suarez back into the side when he comes back as well and what it means for Sturridge.
Good start to the season so far from them (though as another poster said, with a sprinkling of luck) but they're looking very solid at the back at the moment. I'm very interested to see how they fit Suarez back into the side when he comes back as well and what it means for Sturridge.
Aspas has made that easy. Suarez simply takes his place and sprinkles some some worldie performances on top of what Aspas does.
I think Aspas is essentially Luis' understudy we hope will be useful whilst fulfilling the same role.
Well that's that then. All results are as deserved
Well that's that then. All results are as deserved
Er no. There are games where you concede possession and loads of chances and basically have luck to thank for the 3 points.
We scored first, then conceded possession without letting you do anything useful with it. I call that a deserved win.
Unless referees make some mistakes, I think all results are indeed deserved.Well that's that then. All results are as deserved
I'm gutted I can't post on here as much as I like (stop laughing at the back). But you're right, the needle is back and English football needs Man Utd / Liverpool to be rivalling properly again.
Needle is the new gamesmanship only worse.
Good to have you back IWTK. What about them cynical tackles by the Tyrone minors in the last few minutes of the game against Roscommon. Smalltime and disgraceful
Game was of a poor quality and both teams were not at their best. You had your chances but missed the lot. On a frustrating day for your players and fans some of them lost the head but the diving and general scumminess described here I certainly didn't see. There will always be incidents in these games. It's what makes them interesting but nothing stood out for me here.
Liverpool game raise at Anfield with all of the small time supporters singing YAWN about 100 fecking times. We'll get them back twice at Old Trafford.
It's called being cute Irwin. Every team does it. I didn't see more of it than usual in this game. I think united lacked a quality finish in this game and we hung on for a 1-0 win.
When did he tumble in the box? Apart form the clear foul (by all means go back and watch it. Aspas fouls him) from Aspas that the referee was never going to give I don't remember him going to ground easily.
Getting legitimately flattened by Welbeck was great. It was as though Stevie was trying everything he could to stay up and not go to ground easily and was still flattened
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