Moyes So Far!

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pocco said:
Well done. You've not even selected a complete line up.
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Well done, the point is you play those players and rotate in the spaces around them barring injuries, especially in the more important games, which today sort of was given our somewhat tumescent start. Thanks for proving my point with the criticism about rotating though, "people say Moyes should play Nani and Kagawa, he does that and he still gets stick for his team selection, HE CAN'T WIN!!!!" Nobody asked him to play Nani and Kagawa whilst dropping Rafael, Evra and Vidic did they?
 
SAFs obsession with scots has always been clear to me. This is a fecking joke through.
 
mickeza said:
Well done, the point is you play those players and rotate in the spaces around them barring injuries, especially in the more important games, which today sort of was given our somewhat tumescent start. Thanks for proving my point with the criticism about rotating though, "people say Moyes should play Nani and Kagawa, he does that and he still gets stick for his team selection, HE CAN'T WIN!!!!" Nobody asked him to play Nani and Kagawa whilst dropping Rafael, Evra and Vidic did they?
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Maybe you should have specified which players he can and can't play at the same time then. Hell, maybe you should have applied for the job. The league isn't won with 11 players and if those players today aren't good enough then they shouldn't be here in the first place.
 
Livvie said:
I've never been a huge fan of Moyes - always seemed a bit lacking in charisma tbh. But it's not fair to blame him because United haven't been steadily strengthening the squad in the areas most lacking, over the past few years. He really didn't inherit a brilliant squad. A good squad bit with frailties and lacking the spark which players like Roy Keane used to provide.
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Well spending 27.5m pounds on Fellaini didn't help us strengthening our squad in the biggest area we were lacking.
 
pocco said:
Hold on a second, Hernandez and Kagawa were two 'musts' according to the majority on here. Now that they've underperformed they're quickly forgotten about. I don't know how seriously Moyes should take our assessment on what our best team is.
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for me they didnt underperformed... other elements of the team clearly underperformed.
 
pocco said:
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fecking bullshit. If he can get Everton into the positions they have achieved, he is more than capable of achieving top 4 here.
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Not neccesarily true. Everton had the perfect squad for playing percentage football and he had a lot of time (and no pressure) in order to achieve that. It's a bit more difficult to play that type of game with players like Van Persie, Chicharito, Kagawa, Nani etc.
 
pocco said:
What's he asking them to do? Perhaps the problem is that they don't do as they're asked? I saw no reason why that team was not good enough to beat West Brom today and I'm sure most others didn't either.
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SAF would have picked a reserve team today but got the win. Why? Because he would have had them all primed in terms of what is expected of each one. Moyes has no idea and to be honest we were lucky with a 1-2 defeat,
Yes to the mighty west brom!
 
pocco said:
Are you forgetting the various other world class midfielders that he also asked for? It's not his fault that we didn't get the deals done. He has to work with what we have, unfortunately.
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That doesn't change the fact that he signed Fellaini for 27.5m pounds. And the two concrete offers for Fabregas/Herrera were a big No from the beginning so as I have said on third September I still believe that it was a smokescreen that Moyes was looking for players outside of Everton but the plan was always Fellaini. It's total speculation of course but everyone here said that both Barca and Blbao would only laugh at those offers.
 
pocco said:
Maybe you should have specified that then. Hell, maybe you should have applied for the job. The league isn't won with 11 players and if those players today aren't good enough then they shouldn't be here in the first place.
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Oh right sorry, I didn't realise not having applied for the job I couldn't criticise our manager for his team selection. I didn't say it was won by 11 players, but in any title winning team there are certain players who play when fit, they're the spine of the side, and today Moyes decided against playing two of them in Evra and Vidic, and in my opinion a player who should also be one in Rafael. He did this despite already being without another one in Robin Van Persie, so it seemed quite risky to me before the game, I even said so in the match thread, and nothing that subsequently transpired on the pitch has changed my opinion.
 
All 3 United said:
SAF would have picked a reserve team today but got the win. Why? Because he would have had them all primed in terms of what is expected of each one. Moyes has no idea and to be honest we were lucky with a 1-2 defeat,
Yes to the mighty west brom!
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But you don't know what he's told the players, why are you insisting that you have any idea what the situation is there?
 
mickeza said:
Oh right sorry, I didn't realise not having applied for the job I couldn't criticise our manager for his team selection. I didn't say it was won by 11 players, but in any title winning team there are certain players who play when fit, they're the spine of the side, and today Moyes decided against playing two of them in Evra and Vidic, and in my opinion a player who should also be one in Rafael. He did this despite already being without another one in Robin Van Persie, so it seemed quite risky to me before the game, I even said so in the match thread, and nothing that subsequently transpired on the pitch has changed my opinion.
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I agree with your opinions on who is part of our best team and who should have played. That doesn't change my opinion that the team that did play was more than enough to beat West brom.
 
I've been trying to put my finger on what Moyes's team selection tactics remind me of and I've realised what it is...

It's just like someone struggling with a subject they have absolutely no prior knowledge of in the final round of Bob Monkhouse's classic BBC game show, Wipeout. Pick six answers at random, check how many you have right. 4! Change two! 3! Shit! Change those two. 4! Keep those, change two others. 5! Change one. 4! Change two. 2! Time up, game over.

 
If only the solutions were as easy as football fans always think. Id say its unfair to be too critical of Moyes when so many believed our squad to be shit and that we got lucky last season because of the poor form of others. He tried to strengthen in all fairness and that didn't happen so what's he supposed to do?

He can only be truly judged when he's had the chance to develop his own team.
 
He wants to look at all the players and give them a chance. He probably felt that he couldn't drop certain players for the first few tough fixtures, and maybe he dropped 1 or 2 too many today. Perhaps he underestimated West Brom, but i can remember a few "understrength" selections against the so-called lesser sides by Fergie that left us with egg on our faces.
 
IhabX7 said:
Moyes' problem now is that we are quite likely facing another defeat at Shakhtar. Even if we were playing well at the moment I wouldn't have us as favorite to win this match, but with our current state and their record at home, we're going there as underdogs.
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Which might not be a bad thing.
 
Everton will go third if they win at Newcastle. Martinez is not struggling getting to know his new players is he? And he has got his team playing his style of football. Everton have a complete new set of coaches don't they?. Moyes has no excuse when you look at managers like Martinez.
 
Down to 4th favourites for the title now behind Arsenal, City and Chelsea.

Mental IMO, expect Moyes to turn this around quite soon. I would be shocked if we came 3rd, let alone 4th.
 
Theon said:
I would be shocked if we came 3rd, let alone 4th.
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On what basis? The fact that we have too good a squad to finish that low, regardless of the manager? Or you have some sort of blind faith in Moyes?
 
MikeUpNorth said:
On what basis? The fact that we have too good a squad to finish that low, regardless of the manager? Or you have some sort of blind faith in Moyes?
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Why would it be blind faith?

Anyway, I certainly think we have too good a squad for 4th, but I also rate Moyes as a manager. Moreover none of our title rivals have looked particularly convincing either, perennial bottlers Arsenal have probably looked the best.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Because he's done nothing to suggest he's a top manager? He might turn out to be, but at the moment we'd be guessing.
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Well that depends on how you rate his tenure at Everton, I certainly think he did well and proved himself a top manager.
 
Theon said:
Well that depends on how you rate his tenure at Everton, I certainly think he did well and proved himself a top manager.
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He finished in midtable with a midtable club. That proves he's good enough as a midtable manager. Whether he's good enough at the top level is uncertain.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
He finished in midtable with a midtable club. That proves he's good enough as a midtable manager. Whether he's good enough at the top level is uncertain.
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He didn't do that at all IMO, Everton consistently overachieved.

If you look at their record pre/post hiring Moyes its clear he did well with them immediately and completely turned the club around, he then maintained that standard despite having a far smaller budget than his competition.

Pre Moyes -
97 - 15th
98 - 17th
99 - 14th
00 - 13th
01 - 16th
02 - 15th

Moyes
03 - 7th
04 - 17th
05 - 4th
06 - 11th
07 - 6th
08 - 5th
09 - 5th
10 - 8th
11 - 7th
12 - 7th
13 - 6th
 
Commadus said:
Not making the CL is that grounds to sack him?
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I actually think yeah, it should be. Other teams, particularly Spurs have significantly improved. We have weakened by losing Fergie. But to go so far backwards that we go from champions to outside of top 4 to me would be sackable. I think we won't finish outside the top 4 thought, and think he will be there next season.
 
Sorry but his body language said it all at the final whistle...
The "what the feck?!?!" face said it all.

7 points from 6 games? Unacceptable! What the point in bullshitting the issue?
 
MikeUpNorth said:
He finished in midtable with a midtable club. That proves he's good enough as a midtable manager. Whether he's good enough at the top level is uncertain.
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What utter bullshit.

Whether he makes the grade at Utd or not is another thing.
 
If he doesn't make the top 4 and the club decide to get rid. It will be understandable.

It's not even October yet though.
 
Eyepopper said:
If he doesn't make the top 4 and the club decide to get rid. It will be understandable.

It's not even October yet though.
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Thats the worrying thing for me...The squad and management should be showing it's business as usual...And with the exception of the Bayer match, we have looked dire!

I'm only speculating here but maybe some of our players aren't motivated by playing for a manager who they have won more then?...It's a stab in the dark bit it's interesting how Rooney is the only one who has looked top notch so far
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Get this to yours: You're whining. You're moaning. You're using capital letters without discretion. You're still not providing any alternatives. It makes you look like an uninformed wanker who just happens to react to some poor results. You're not coming across as someone who has analyzed the situation properly. Perhaps your are. Only time will tell, as you say.
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Youre damn fecking right I am whining, wtf do you think happens here?

This is a relegation form and relegation result and midtae. At best, what is there not to fecking whine about?
 
'To win the Champions League, you need five or six world-class players,’ said Moyes.
‘Look at Bayern Munich, they have it. Look at Barcelona, who had it in the past and Real Madrid, who have maybe got it now. That’s the level you have to be at to win it. We’ve not got that yet but what we have got is experience.
‘The job when I took over was always going to be that we’d have to make changes and improve as we go along.’
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So bringing in Moyes and then Fellaini to follow him at Moyes command, we went with a policy of "premier league proven" over everything else.

How much has that paid off against bringing in foreign managers and players who havent played in England?

It would seem to have had very little effect so far.
 
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