This! So far i'm only a bit annoyed that he's given certain players multiple opportunities to prove themselves. Nice of him to do it, but they havent paid him back with performances at all. Time to get ruthless IMO.
Moyes So Far!
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This! So far i'm only a bit annoyed that he's given certain players multiple opportunities to prove themselves. Nice of him to do it, but they havent paid him back with performances at all. Time to get ruthless IMO.
I'm not so sure that that is the case. Nobody is expecting him to do with Fergie did.
But what a lot are expecting is that he achieves a certain level. Languishing in 12th, and looking lucky to be that high, isn't really acceptable, even at this early stage.
Absolutely. He needs to decide on what back four he wants to use, and stick with them if possible. Even average players can become a good unit if they play together all the time, so it should work for players who are good or at least above average.
He has to step very carefully if he's going to start claiming the squad isn't strong enough, especially after all the noises from Old Trafford claiming the opposite after the (disappointing) transfer window closed. If he starts deflecting blame onto the team's lack of quality he basically goes back on what he said earlier and I can imagine fans will turn on him much sooner than they otherwise would, particularly because he seemingly had a genuine chance to improve the squad but simply didn't. If his hands were in fact tied by Glazers not providing the money he should either shut up about the squad quality and work with what he has (like SAF did) or take them on and accept a sacking because of it down the line. By complaining about the squad he's making himself look weak for not addressing it in the summer.
I still hope (and think) he'll turn it around, but he won't do it by complaining about various things in the press (tough schedule, not enough great players etc.). He needs to shut up and work with the cards he has on his hands.
I still hope (and think) he'll turn it around, but he won't do it by complaining about various things in the press (tough schedule, not enough great players etc.). He needs to shut up and work with the cards he has on his hands.
Successful? I must've forgotten the time he won the title with Everton. Oh....
#moyesout
Oh, I must have forgotten that you can't be successful at a mega club club like Everton without winning titles.
I think you'll find a lot do.
Languishing in 12th is not the end of the world at this stage. What a lot of people are refusing to acknowledge is that despite being champions, we have not been great for a few years.
Everton were notoriously slow starters under Moyes and it cost them most years as after Christmas they'd be the form side in the league. I hope it isn't something he has carried across to United.
This reminds me of the AVB situation, rightfully he analyzes the fact that the squad is ageing and not all that.. but wrongfully he admits that to the press, gets all the players within the squad against him because they realise he's a threat to their futures.. they stop playing for him and as always it is the manager who gets the blame for not inspiring them.
He should've kept schtum and done a Night of the Long Knives next summer, big clearout in one go... doing it like this spells massive trouble in my opinion.
He should've kept schtum and done a Night of the Long Knives next summer, big clearout in one go... doing it like this spells massive trouble in my opinion.
He has to be given more time but we can't continue to play like we are doing. We haven't scored from open play in the PL since Swansea. I don't think I have seen any one touch football in any game to date under Moyes.
The other area of play that concerns me is the way the whole team are pushing backwards even beyond our own penalty area when being pressed.
There is no excuse regarding the squad when loosing to west brom at home.
Basic team selection issues like selecting Rio and Evans against a physical team.
Fourth spot in an absolute minimum for a squad that has only lost the title twice and that by goal difference and a Drogba offside goal in six seasons.
The other area of play that concerns me is the way the whole team are pushing backwards even beyond our own penalty area when being pressed.
There is no excuse regarding the squad when loosing to west brom at home.
Basic team selection issues like selecting Rio and Evans against a physical team.
Fourth spot in an absolute minimum for a squad that has only lost the title twice and that by goal difference and a Drogba offside goal in six seasons.
Same question - who are you suggesting replace him?
My guess is that Moyes will be at Utd a lot longer than some of our more fair weather fans.
It's also not 1999 anymore, are we naming years that its not? Some principals remain true nonetheless, including the one about a manager needing more than 5 minutes to settle at a new club.
Is Evra dead? Other than that I can't understand how Moyes started Buttner.
Needs to stop chopping and changing the defence every game.
One big thing I feel more and more...Moyes seems kinda weak.
Needs to stop being so open with the press, feck them all and their questions, he's either puts himself under more more pressure, or opens himself up to more scrutiny by them
Needs to stop chopping and changing the defence every game.
One big thing I feel more and more...Moyes seems kinda weak.
Needs to stop being so open with the press, feck them all and their questions, he's either puts himself under more more pressure, or opens himself up to more scrutiny by them
I agree, we have not been great at all for a few years.
I don't think we'll find too many people who thought we would win the league in his first year, I didn't anyway. But I did expect us to be competing. It has really just been horrific so far.
Also he can feck off with the 'we need better players' and all that. He and EdWood had the chance in the summer, and made us look like fools with their bs
Good God. You're the fecking worst kind of supporter that exists.
100% completely predictable but but still, the worst.
I bet twitter is full of people using that awful hash tag. We've played 6 games ffs
There is no proof from the United situation yet, potentially this could be a situation. It did happen at Chelsea though. I should've worded it better, my bad.
That's exactly my point: he's proved himself a good midtable manager.
He got a club into the position of consistently finishing 5th-8th in the league, but wasn't able to take them beyond that. Whether 5th is his natural ceiling as a manager, we shall see. Hope not.
United fans proving they can be as ridiculous as those we've laughed at down the years. Not surprising though, you always get ppl on here quick to be delighted they were 'right'.
Hmm yeah always knew you were a twilight faggot but on another note, if you keep announcing how poor your squad is and how changes need to be made, especially in a side like ours where majority of players are already not performing it isn't too hard to assume that alot of players are going to become protective of their futures. They can ether knuckle down and ensure that they retain the managers faith, or it can go the other way and they can appear disinterested and get the manager the sack.
RAWK (bar the ludicrous Hodgson era) is generally the opposite. They are unwilling to recognise their flaws, and instead back their players and manager to a ridiculous extent.
Well, congrats on missing the Hodgson era. An era of fans thinking their players where far better than they were.
Liverpool fans were spot on about Hodgson, as his England tenure has proved.
Serious question.. If Moyes isn't the problem here, who or what is? Because something isn't right at United. Even from the outside looking in you can tell that.
The one (and only) good thing about this is that the january window should be really interesting.....
England suffer from the same problem that Liverpool did under Hodgson. The players are not good enough.
Indeed. And I'd say part of United's current problem is trying to have a core of English players. Time to let that go if the team wishes to succeed. This team has a serious problem. Not one that should keep it out of the top 4. I don't feel that is a concern with the current manager and squad but we aren't anywhere the same level as a Madrid, Barca or Bayren.
An argument which can be made every time a manager fails.
I wish people would stop fecking bleating on about Hodgson as a point of comparison - Moyes is a much higher calibre of manager. Hodgson's CV smacks of a small time manager, who has always played safety first football.
Moyes was pretty much the ideal person to take over from Fergie when you look at the transformative effect his management had at Everton. He bought them (relative) success by building a club over a longer period. What's more, his side had a definite personality over the last few years - direct, high tempo football, defensively obdurate, some nice interplay in the final third, physically imposing - I'd take some of that at United right now!
It's too easy to cast glances at some of the glamour managers, but I'm not sure they'd be doing any better with the hand Moyes has been dealt.
Moyes, for his own part, now needs to shed the Mr. Nice Guy attitude - he has the capacity to be ruthless and domineering in the same way SAF was - enough with the deferential attitude, he's daddy now. If any of the players don't like it, they can feck off.
Moyes was pretty much the ideal person to take over from Fergie when you look at the transformative effect his management had at Everton. He bought them (relative) success by building a club over a longer period. What's more, his side had a definite personality over the last few years - direct, high tempo football, defensively obdurate, some nice interplay in the final third, physically imposing - I'd take some of that at United right now!
It's too easy to cast glances at some of the glamour managers, but I'm not sure they'd be doing any better with the hand Moyes has been dealt.
Moyes, for his own part, now needs to shed the Mr. Nice Guy attitude - he has the capacity to be ruthless and domineering in the same way SAF was - enough with the deferential attitude, he's daddy now. If any of the players don't like it, they can feck off.
I don't want to turn in Ciy and not have any English players in the squad. Not because I don't like foreign players, but it's mercenary and reeks of desperation. Success at any cost.
Young actually can't get in the England side, even when Welbeck is injured. I think that says it all really.
I still think - hope I should say - that there are decent English players. I'm not saying I'd want the full eleven to be English, just that I would hate to see a completely foreign side turn out. That would mean our youth policy, which has always been something to be proud of, had failed.
So what you're saying is that even if the English players aren't good enough, United should persist with them anyway? Sorry, but that's rubbish. I want us to do the best we can to develop youth players and if they're English then that's all well and good. Apart from that though, I don't see why spending £20m on an average player like Young is more 'mercenary' than spending a similar fee on someone like Navas who is clearly a better footballer.
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