Moyes So Far!
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saw Fergie and Gill's faces yesterday....looked worried.
their respective successors....how bad can it get..
their respective successors....how bad can it get..
Going off what they've been saying in the press, this isn't the case. They're as much to blame.
Really pissed off hearing people say how "the players might have lost belief in him" or any other such rubbish. These players have so much to prove now Ferguson is gone and they simply havent had the balls to rise to the challenge. Rooney, Carrick and De Gea aside, the majority of the squad have been utterly dreadful. Its very easy to sit back and blame Moyes but again yesterday, the line up we had out should have been more than enough to win. "lost the fear factor" is another blanket nonsense term that players can hide behind. We may not be getting it tactically right and of course Moyes has made mistakes but we are playing like a team who are just about to sack their manager not one who just got a new one. Wheres the willingness to prove yourself? the energy?
So few people are talking about what is actually happening on the pitch. David Moyes cant be blamed for schoolboy defending for the goal yesterday or allowing a west brom player to jog from the fecking half way line. Allow a free header for liverpool. Welbeck missing easy chances in two games weve drawn due to complete lack of ability or lack of common sense. Inexplicable passing that goes straight out of play. Vidic making Altidore look like drogba in his prime. Allowing a 5'5 italian midfielder a free header that should have put sunderland 2 up. Utterly appalling and unforgivable ineptitude from valencia and young. Basic losing of position, never having more than one option on, aimless crosses going out of play on the far side. Beaten to every single ball against city and playing like we were running in sand. Management can only do so much.
Ive said it before and I stress it again, this bunch of players is getting away with total murder. They've given themselves a free pass knowing moyes will take the blame. Theres no passion, theres no unpredictability, theres no self belief, theres no confidence in their own ability and if they needed ferguson to babysit them and fight their battles then we need a total revamp of the squad because succesful teams do not have those types of characters. Dont try argue that Keane, Cantona, Neville, Schmeichel, Scholes, Giggs, van Nistelrooy, Pallister, Bruce or many other of our great players would have imploded in belief the way the current bunch have.
There is simply no arguing that they are making mind numbingly bad decisions with shocking regularity, awful finishing, passing, crossing and positional sense. The absolute basics have went out the window but its all ok, the new manager can take the blame. Im shocked the fans arent making the point. moyes of course is the predictable target, and thats the problem. They all need a wake up call, unfortunately in the spoilt millionaire generation it probably wont ever hit home. A mention of a drop in salary or another player on a better contract and everybody wakes up though. On present form many dont deserve the shirt and have a lot to prove in the next few months. If they dont Id completely support moyes in overhauling the squad even if it takes 2-3 years.
So few people are talking about what is actually happening on the pitch. David Moyes cant be blamed for schoolboy defending for the goal yesterday or allowing a west brom player to jog from the fecking half way line. Allow a free header for liverpool. Welbeck missing easy chances in two games weve drawn due to complete lack of ability or lack of common sense. Inexplicable passing that goes straight out of play. Vidic making Altidore look like drogba in his prime. Allowing a 5'5 italian midfielder a free header that should have put sunderland 2 up. Utterly appalling and unforgivable ineptitude from valencia and young. Basic losing of position, never having more than one option on, aimless crosses going out of play on the far side. Beaten to every single ball against city and playing like we were running in sand. Management can only do so much.
Ive said it before and I stress it again, this bunch of players is getting away with total murder. They've given themselves a free pass knowing moyes will take the blame. Theres no passion, theres no unpredictability, theres no self belief, theres no confidence in their own ability and if they needed ferguson to babysit them and fight their battles then we need a total revamp of the squad because succesful teams do not have those types of characters. Dont try argue that Keane, Cantona, Neville, Schmeichel, Scholes, Giggs, van Nistelrooy, Pallister, Bruce or many other of our great players would have imploded in belief the way the current bunch have.
There is simply no arguing that they are making mind numbingly bad decisions with shocking regularity, awful finishing, passing, crossing and positional sense. The absolute basics have went out the window but its all ok, the new manager can take the blame. Im shocked the fans arent making the point. moyes of course is the predictable target, and thats the problem. They all need a wake up call, unfortunately in the spoilt millionaire generation it probably wont ever hit home. A mention of a drop in salary or another player on a better contract and everybody wakes up though. On present form many dont deserve the shirt and have a lot to prove in the next few months. If they dont Id completely support moyes in overhauling the squad even if it takes 2-3 years.
Cringe
I thought these motivational underdog videos were meant for actual underdogs and not the biggest clubs in the world
who's actually going to come out and say that, or hint at it to a reporter, with United giving him a 6 year deal and harping on about longevity? it'll probably happen when someone's already left (or retired)
provision: but not if DM suddenly finds a magic formula for style, motivation and handling a huge club
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...sie-clashes-with-moyes-over-manchester-united
I sincerely hope this is not true.
I sincerely hope this is not true.
Strange timing of the article if true. Surely every coach worth anything would know to personalize training according to the needs of the players? Especially if they are a) injury prone like van Persie or b) fat prone, like Rooney
he's so unbelievably shite, that i'm convinced that in recommending him fergie was punking the glazers
Or Fergie knew it was a poisoned chalice.
Maybe is too early to blame Moyes but yesterday he lost the game with the subs he made, then some people say is not 'his" team but Sir Alex's, wrong, a good manager grab the best players from a team put them together and try the players with "his" formation and at same time looks for players for a position(s) he thinks the team needs. He had a pre-season to try all that and if after 8 league games he won only 3 then we have a problem. City, Everton and Chelsea have new managers and they are ahead of us, I don't see people expecting City to finish 4th just because they got a new manager... only United. The best team needs the best manager we cannot wait 4 years to win the league. Just my opinion.
We have Stoke at home and Fulham away, before we face Arsenal, who we also face at home. I think we'll get 9 points. I'm being overly optimistic.
Fabregas and Thiago are letting out big sigh of relief.
I dont want to be over critical, but i think we lacked that composure to finish the game off. All credit to Southhampton, they never dropped there heads. They kept at it, the longer the game stayed 1-0, the more there confidence grew. Not a great result but we need to keep it in perspective. Im heading over to the UK later this week and will be visiting old trafford for the stoke game and i hope that we win.
Sounds like Gaz is bang on the money again.
No idea why he isn't involved in our set up tbh.
No idea why he isn't involved in our set up tbh.
Wouldn't be surprised if it is. Moyes is well known for making hard training. Van Persie has had a couple of injuries already (while he was injury free for the last 30 months) and he doesn't seem that he is enjoying or caring that much (especially in the Liverpool game when he was behaving strange).
I think you ignore that Arsenal already had a great foundation to place Özil in. The team showed a lot of improvements in the last season and the idea how Wenger wants the team to play was there for everyone to see. Özil is the perfect fit to take this idea up another level, if not two, but he's not the reason the team is working that well in general. That foundation is still missing at United, it was missing last season and a few brilliant individuals carried the team. Özil never was a player who makes a disfunctional team tick and I doubt he could have done that at United. Buying quality players certainly helps, but very few players have a transformative impact on the team, that's really the job for the manager.
I think Flamini has been greatly overlook in Arsenal resurgence. He gave them a bit of steel that was sorely lacking in Arsenal midfield after he left.
I'll be happy with 4 points.
We'll struggle to beat Stoke on Saturday
I feel this way too, though Liverpool's set up has changed a few times this season. You are probably referring to their 3-4-3, which does look exciting, though I liked their 4-3-3 they played when they were without Suarez. I think a 3 man midfield would help us stop getting swept aside so easily by every other midfield we play against. But again, do we have the players for it? A 3 man midfield, with only 4 natural central midfielders on our books, one of which is Anderson. It would mean more Giggs and Jones in midfield, or Rooney, who hates the midfield, or giving players like Adnan or Kagawa a chance at the tip of a 3 man midfield, though both are often criticised for being too lightweight to play there, which I personally don't agree with. Afterall, Scholes was tiny. Modric is too. Xavi and Iniesta aren't exactly bruisers either. I don't think the entire central midfield needs to be big boys. Fellani and/or Carrick cover that. We are desperate for technique in the midfield. I think we have alot of it out wide and up front, but when the ball enters the middle of the pitch, we are just so slow and void of ideas.
We'll struggle even more against Arsenal. Six points in the next two games is manageable.
I am worried Moyes really is so far out of his depth, if Moyes is publicly criticising players how long before the players also go public? Moyes cant use the excuse of it takes time when others like Pellugrini, Tito Martinez, Guatdiola are doing just fine whilst all at new clubs. Only a loser looks for excuses elsewhere.
If he cant show something substantial by end of season we shouldn't persist with him out of a misplaced sense of stability requires persistance with the same tired ideas.
If Moyes is to push for the title this season, he needs to get the DVD out for the 02-03 season. I'm noticing a few similarities at the moment.
Relying on forwards completely, messy defending but hopefully after Xmas we go on a good run like we did then (after drawing and losing 10 of the first 20 games, and then winning 15 of the last 18). That was probably my favourite title of all time, not only because it's the first one I truly remember but we just came out of nowhere and suddenly became ruthless.
Relying on forwards completely, messy defending but hopefully after Xmas we go on a good run like we did then (after drawing and losing 10 of the first 20 games, and then winning 15 of the last 18). That was probably my favourite title of all time, not only because it's the first one I truly remember but we just came out of nowhere and suddenly became ruthless.
Same about me. The first title I clearly remember, and it looked that Arsenal was going to get it again. But the second half of the season was terrific for us.
I don't see that much similarities with that year though. The only one is that we are bad (even worse) than that year but here the similarities end.
That 2-2 draw at Highbury that season was a cracking match, Ruud 
When Hernandez does a Forlan and van Persie starts scoring hat tricks for fun in 2014, you'll see it.
Yes, but for that to happen our manager needs to try to attack a bit.
Give the poor sod a bit of time. It might fall into place eventually. And luckily I think everyone above us is capable of a meltdown.
Director Ferguson might dish him a bit of advice over the next few days.
Gary Neville is a future Man Utd manager.
It's been mentioned a lot that we've got no obvious plan - we've played 24 different players in the league, compared to Arsenal, City, Chelsea and Liverpool who have all played between 18 and 20, and we don't seem to have settled on a consitstent formation either.
People are complaining about this lack of direction, but I'm hoping that it is literally just Moyes seeing what he has got. The key thing here is the long-term commitment.
If the club are serious about giving him a long run, regardless of early success (or lack of), and Moyes has trust in them to do so, then this gives him lea-way to spend some time experimenting in a way that most managers simply could not afford to do.
This also makes sense in view of our lack of activity in the summer. A manager who knew he had to do well from the get-go would surely have been more active, whereas the way things panned out, he has time to properly assess what we need, in the context of what we have and how is going to try and model the team. He was obviously aware that we absolutely had to get another body in midfield, and went for somebody he already knew the capabilities of well (rightly or wrongly), but other than that there didn't seem to be any real drive to spend money.
People are complaining about this lack of direction, but I'm hoping that it is literally just Moyes seeing what he has got. The key thing here is the long-term commitment.
If the club are serious about giving him a long run, regardless of early success (or lack of), and Moyes has trust in them to do so, then this gives him lea-way to spend some time experimenting in a way that most managers simply could not afford to do.
This also makes sense in view of our lack of activity in the summer. A manager who knew he had to do well from the get-go would surely have been more active, whereas the way things panned out, he has time to properly assess what we need, in the context of what we have and how is going to try and model the team. He was obviously aware that we absolutely had to get another body in midfield, and went for somebody he already knew the capabilities of well (rightly or wrongly), but other than that there didn't seem to be any real drive to spend money.
Yeah, how's Thiago doing, I presume he's started every game for Bayern & setting Germany on fire having left for playing time yeah?
he's been injured for the most part.
He's injured. He was playing good when he was fit though (mostly in pre-season).
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