Is Fergus'son online? Or has anyone his pick? If not, I take a bit more time.
Fantasy Tournament: World Cup All-Time All-Stars
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That is one issue but the biggest one is that he doesn't really work in a midfield two with an AM, he needs that 4-3-3 with a DM (or two DM's for Spain in truth). Both me and Gio have seen that first hand so he'll be aware of the risks. I won the last all time draft in spite of Xavi, he was actually a detriment to me the whole way which is crazy for how good he is - but the truth is he needs that correct system, which I wasn't prepared to give him.
Take your time mate, you earned it waiting around!
BTW, I just need to take out that cnut Cal now...
BTW, I just need to take out that cnut Cal now...
He needs it though, absolutely, I think I was among the ones giving you the most stick but once you had Ronnie-XXX, Jairzinho-C. Alberto and Fat Ronaldo I didn't give a shit any more. Actually, you never thanked me for letting you get Ronaldo instead of YYY who looked a liability in that side as well.
Cheers Theon.
That's a bit simplistic. We're talking about 192 of the greatest 200-230 players that ever lived. The majority of them are going to be more than comfortable on the ball. It's just a case of good management to ensure the right blend.
I did consider a few other midfielders in the same ilk, but none of them truly mastered the ball in the same way as Xavi has done.
That isn't very accurate at all. Xavi/Iniesta are among/if not the best midfield in terms of handling pressure from opponents and using it against them. How many teams managed to stand up against them and actually win the midfield battle.
If anything a player like Xavi will be incredibly effective against more erratic players with a higher engine which was common in the past.
You have to nail the perfect team to make it work -but the same goes with most players.
He needs it though, absolutely, I think I was among the ones giving you the most stick but once you had Ronnie-XXX, Jairzinho-C. Alberto and Fat Ronaldo I didn't give a shit any more. Actually, you never thanked me for letting you get Ronaldo instead of YYY who looked a liability in that side as well.
This is exactly right, it just ceased to be a problem because the rest of the team was so insane. Not just attacking wise but the defence as well with Passarella-Baresi-Carlos Alberto.YYY as in the original forward? He was alright I thought. The actual logic/planning behind the draft was to NOT get Ronaldo, that was an unexpected bonus and just switched around my RB and ST decades.
The original idea was Cafu (70's) and Pele (40'), but it became Ronaldo (70's) and Alberto (40's). The original plan would have worked as well by the way, Cafu went unpicked after I chose Fat Ronnie and then in the next round Pele went unpicked as well. Don't get me wrong though, I much preferred it the way it turned out so cheers
No question there, I wasn't criticising the pick by the way Gio - I've picked him in the last three drafts in a row - I was just saying you need to/anyone needs to get it right with Xavi.
I pick Edgar Davids.
Oh you bastard
It is simplistic. The right blend is probably achievable but then you have the constraints to worry about, what other people choose to pick... it's basically nailing your colours on a mast and leaving you little room for manoeuvre going forward. That's all I'm pointing out, I agree there are few midfield playmakers that are much use left.
Iniesta is already in a different team. Edit the other one as he hasn't been picked. If you had all three and nailed everything else of course it's great. Mind you, Spain's World Cup didn't set the world alight. I think they only turned up against Germany myself. It's a very specific style, most players will adapt to something more conventional, but here you really get yourself in a straightjacket. Not that I'm not getting myself into one!
All in all, I like themes, some are easier to pull off than others though.
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
That's who I thought Gio was going for actually.
I actually had ruled him out until someone reminded me what an excellent world cup he had in 98
.I actually had ruled him out until someone reminded me what an excellent world cup he had in 98
The danger with PM's!
It was unlikely he would have gotten to me anyway so mehh
Interesting Baresi - Cannavaro debate earlier. As much as I'm glad to see Cannavaro's impeccable tournament in 2006 recognised, Baresi's brilliance in 1990 (Italy's defence was magic) and in the 1994 final probably puts them on par for me in the context of this draft.
Great job by Jayvin to get the partnership of Rivaldo and Ronaldo.
Great, proven and productive partnerships Crappy and Jayvin. It was a bit ridiculous in the last but one all-time draft we did Kopa didn't get picked until round 10.I pick Raymond Kopa to link up with his partner in crome
I've already fallen in love with Theon's team due to him choosing Baggio. I felt he was a wee bit hard done by during the all-time draft debates, but he should be an easier sell this time around with World Cup form at the centre of the discussion. Will be interested to see how Theon chooses to accommodate Zico and Baggio as he's not frightened to experiment with different formations. 3-5-2 this time around maybe? Still alot of good foils around for his current picks imo.
I think he probably hates me right now for what I wrote about Beckenbauer
Spain played most of their matches with 4 central midfielders and 2 strikers which made their game horribly boring. The individual skills of Xavi/Iniesta/etc are still there considering they won the tournament but they were certainly missing wingers to pass to.
I don't think that they were too possession-orientated regardless of this and they actually played quite direct. I would rate their defensive work very high in the WC, they had much better defensive performances than in Barcelona where they just defend by keeping the ball.
They conceded 2 goals all tournament which is what really made them win.
Thought he might slide a few more picks. But then I've done so much trumpeting of his performances in and around 1998 in the past that his stock on the Caf has grown a little. He was absolutely immense then, especially against Yugoslavia (the winning goal capped a fine performance), Argentina (a fascinating head-to-head showdown with Veron) and Brazil (spents most of his time covering his centre-halves arses, and managing to quell the great Ronaldo in the process).
Yeah Baggio couldn't be any lower than a round 2 pick given his talismanic performances in 1994 and his wondergoal in 1990. I'd have been interested had the others missed out on him.
He was going to my next pick, one of the modern players who I really rate who stacks up wonderfully with the world cup criteria
I think he probably hates me right now for what I wrote about Beckenbauer
This. I'm stopping PMs guys, much as I enjoy them. I was bouncing idea with Balu about Davids, then open a PM from Theon saying he is picking Davids and posting his tactics plan (inc. unpicked players I may yet be interested in!), then asks me about defenders... and Balu has told me one he wants...
fecking nightmare guys, I'll leave you two to it!
I actually told Theon myself he should pick the defender I want
. I think, I'm really bad at this.He didn't suit me at all but I was surprised he lasted that long. The focus on World Cups really gives some players a major boost while others fall apart completely. Yeah, it's a few games but that's the world's premier footie tourno, show up or shut up I reckon.
I think he probably hates me right now for what I wrote about Beckenbauer
I thought he'd be on your radar!
Balu, don't forget to PM Fergus, I never do because you are around so it would be easy for you to forget.
Already done. I'm off now, let's hope we get a few more picks done tomorrow.
I always think that criticism of Xavi is mental, he didn't fit into the Barcelona side, he defined it and it was built around him. Iniesta gets away with zero criticism despite being the one of the two who has a system that fits him perfectly.
I pick Nilton Santos.
bastard
I can see him being pretty redundant in a long ball set-up. Otherwise his extremely high level of fitness, consistency and big-match temperament makes him perfect for this type of competition. Obviously it is important to put the right players around him and that is something that applies to most of the players picked so far (aside from a few all-rounders like Matthaus, Ronaldo, Eusebio, Zanetti who would probably perform well in any set-up).
I pick Berti Vogts
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
Hristo Stoichkov
Giggs on picking Stoichkov as part of his best opponents of all time: He was a complete player. Stoichkov was so imaginative on the ball that you never really knew what he was going to do. But like most of the players I've picked here, he was quick and physical with it.
Considered the best footballer Bulgaria has ever produced, Stoichkov has a trophy cabinet a player of his undoubted talent deserves. The forward was feared for his speed and potent shot, but is widely remembered for his fiery temperament. When he channeled his aggression during a match, he was a formidable player, often carrying his team single-handedly. Renowned for his never-say-die attitude, Stoichkov fought for the ball with the fierce intensity whether it was the first minute or the last.
Giggs on picking Stoichkov as part of his best opponents of all time: He was a complete player. Stoichkov was so imaginative on the ball that you never really knew what he was going to do. But like most of the players I've picked here, he was quick and physical with it.
Considered the best footballer Bulgaria has ever produced, Stoichkov has a trophy cabinet a player of his undoubted talent deserves. The forward was feared for his speed and potent shot, but is widely remembered for his fiery temperament. When he channeled his aggression during a match, he was a formidable player, often carrying his team single-handedly. Renowned for his never-say-die attitude, Stoichkov fought for the ball with the fierce intensity whether it was the first minute or the last.
I pick Sergio Busquets
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
Good choice. Ideal player to cover for Passarella when he goes forward IMO.
Pol 1. Maradona 2. P Maldini 3. Breitner
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets Banquets
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger
Cal 1. Pele 2. Sándor Kocsis 3. Gerson
Aldo 1. Garrincha 2. Romario 3. Scirea
Theon 1. Beckenbauer 2. Zico 3. Baggio
Rpitroda 1. Zidane 2. Masopust 3. Varela
Paceme 1. Platini 2. Rijkaard 3. Djalma Santos
Jayvin 1. Ronaldo 2. Cannavaro 3. Rivaldo
Desert 1.Moore 2. Meazza 3. Passarella 4. Busquets Banquets
Annah 1. Didi 2. Iniesta 3. Ronaldinho 4. Stoichkov
Crappy/Pippa 1. Fontaine 2. Krol 3. Kopa 4. Vogts
Fergus 1. Matthäus 2. Falcao 3. Rivelino 4. Nilton Santos
Balu/NM 1. Cruyff 2. Jairzinho 3. Carlos Alberto 4. Davids
Anto 1. Puskas 2. Neeskens 3. Bozsik 4. Czibor
Gio. 1. Eusebio 2. Figueroa 3. Laudrup 4. Xavi
Cutch 1. Muller 2. Facchetti 3. Cafu 4. Santamaria
TITO 1. Charlton 2. Baresi 3. Zanetti 4. Schnellinger