Lost 15 aerial challenges against West Ham...that was the highest figure in all week 31 games and he was statistically one of the weakest players.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Lost 15 aerial challenges against West Ham...that was the highest figure in all week 31 games and he was statistically one of the weakest players.
Jones has scored three goals this season, one from midfield. One of them was a header. Fellaini has only had two headers on target this season. Pretty poor for someone his height.
Didn't you come out with the same stuff after the west ham game? Everyone with eyes could see he played well in that game, but you refused to accept it. You got offended that anyone would say it!
You're obsessed with him. But anyone who adores stats is always a little psychotic.
Not having that at all, no way is that Rio's fault, not in a squillion million billion years.
You can't blame defenders for a perfectly timed late run from midfield.
He's clearly not good enough for this level and will never be.
Thought he was quite poor, also. He's not even very good at the knock downs when we lob it up to him, but we also did him no favours by chipping the ball in behind and asking him to try to outrun people.
Anyone saying he's not at fault for the goal is having a laugh though, he's jogging back all that time while play develops down our left, and he basically stops when the cross comes in, completely unaware of Scweinsteiger 5 yards away.
Anyone saying he's not at fault for the goal is having a laugh though, he's jogging back all that time while play develops down our left, and he basically stops when the cross comes in, completely unaware of Scweinsteiger 5 yards away.
Im obsessed with Manchester United, and its the truth, the stats speak for themselves.
Opinions are opinions. I thought against West Ham, the reason why Mata and Kagawa were so dangerous is that Carrick was playing at centre half and because West Ham were hoofing it so much, when there were loose balls around the defence, Carrick was able to play quick 15 yard passes to them on the half turn meaning they could exploit space on the counter attack. Second, Fletcher was also taking the ball of the defence, making an angle to receive the ball and was playing very accurate 10-15 yard balls forward into the front 3's feet. Fellaini was tidy and helped with Carroll, but was far from dominant. And his passing was no where near the level of Fletcher and Carrick in that game, in terms of being incisive and helping to start attacks. Palace, Fellaini was good, but Carrick was the true star of the midfield show then, he had something ridiculous like 140 passes. I don't see how you can attach "dominant" to any of these performances where he wasn't even the best midfielder on our side.
Against Aston Villa, he grew into the game, but the first half was atrocious in terms of midfield play. That wasn't just his fault, but instead of coming deep and taking the ball of the CBs and starting play he was roaming around, not really being in a position to receive the ball.
I don't want to keep repeating myself and being that guy who loves to slate certain players but I doubt he's going to improve his control in tight spaces and his passing ability. He's limited technically in pretty much every sense apart from chest control. Given his lack of speed and agility over the first 5 yards, it'd do the team a world of good if he stopped charging forward randomly and not bothering to fill the gaps behind him.
Whatever. Get back to your stats. Better than watching games I guess.
Moyes should just play Jones in his place next week and have Rooney operating as deep as possible to make up the third midfielder . He hasn't had a good game against the bigger teams and in Germany we will need all eleven men to have the right mentality .
He's not good enough to play for us at PL level nevermind the CL. He's shown nothing in the league and even less in the CL, I just wonder what the rest of Europe thought when they saw this guy in our midfield. He'll never improve his basic technique so we are basically stuck with him. This is him in his prime years too. I'd flog for £8m in the summer if Big Sam wants him.
I thought it was one of the worst performances I've ever seen at that level. Can't even win a header he's as useful as tits on bull. Lost Schweinsteiger for the goal too. Worthless worthless worthless.
Tell me what he did to influence the game then. Any key passes? Any assists? Any key tackles? Any chances created? The stats tell a story that he was largely ineffective. Fellaini has been decent against the weak teams, nothing more. I do watch the games, i've given him credit where its due but the best thing i've seen from him is time wasting.
No need for Rooney to do that. Same thing as today, Kagawa for Giggs like in the second half and then Jones in for Fellaini to provide the energy and be the defensive midfielder. Very well balanced team if we go for it, and they all put in good performances. Rafael at right back as well.
I'm just 100% sure that Fellaini shouldn't play as it could cost us as it did today for their goal.
Thought he was great off the ball, especially in the 2nd half. Still lacks quality with the ball but do you expect much else
No, neither of them are more at fault. Rio should do better and deal with the cross, but Jones is doing what he should really. When the opponent is allowed space to run into that position you can't do more than try and get close and block as much of the goal as possible - which Jones did.
I'm assuming you're referring to Fellaini's position in the second paragraph. If not, just ignore this.
The only reason he's not closer to the opponent is because he didn't bother. If you the whole attack, you can see Fellaini strolling around completely ignoring Schweinsteiger. You're not defending Fellaini by saying "he wasn't close enough" - you're highlighting a flaw.
See my answer to DFreshKing above. He hadn't been "dawdling there for 5 mins", but he certainly made no effort to get close to Schweinsteiger. Fellaini had every chance to get close, but didn't.
Their goal in full:
I think he's just that slow to be honest.
Another comically poor performance from our very own Andy Carroll.
Squad player at best but it doesn't surprise me. It's pretty much what I expected. Good against mediocre sides then crumbles vs teams of real quality. Quality teams will press him and pass the ball around him and he struggles to cope. Against lesser sides they tend to back off us, gives him the freedom to play and they don't really have midfielders that will pass the ball around him.
What, I am talking about winning the header again MaZukiackkev you head the ball!
Jones should have fronted up Swine though much quicker than he did. I am not saying Fellani is without fault or that he played Motm but the slating he is getting is way OTT.
Busted his balls out there and although i don't know the stats would bet he covered a lot of ground and took responsibility and possession more than most.
You know what you are right. He is very good off the ball and finds gaps and space pretty easily. The issue being that when the ball does find him he doesn't have the technical ability to exploit it which is a massive shame. Not sure if that's something you can improve really.
Why can't tall players header the ball in general? Crouch ducks when heading, Fellaini ducks when heading too.
Ibra is decent enough in the air, probably because he doesnt duck.
Ibra is decent enough in the air, probably because he doesnt duck.
Eh? What stats are you banging on about here?
Against West Ham he made the most tackles, the most interceptions and the most clearances. He was also on the ball more than any other player.
Everyone with half a sense could see he had a good game against West Ham.
Carrick, Kagawa and Rooney can manufacture space for the winger and Welbeck but we are going to need a big and purposeful performance from Valencia on the right . If we can keep it solid then space will open up for the counter and that is where we will need purposeful and clinical play from the pacey players .
Yep, not got the quality to start for us on a regular basis but IMO there is no doubt he has a place in our squad
He's looking for criticisms, pretty sad really. He's not the only one either, I don't think I've ever seen a united player draw this level of hostility.
Probably learned that whenever he actually jumps his elbows end up around people's heads so it's either an automatic card or an automatic foul.
Wrong on pretty much everything, as you see Fellani had to travel from way up field from the inside right channel.
Jones does not do enough to close down hence why the shot does not get blocked.
Ferdinand was shocking and did not get within 5 yards of his man for the cross which he should have been in position for and won - but your right the guy who is near the halfway line when Swines is on the edge of the box is at fault not any of the defenders.
Are you drunk or what the feck is going on? Unless he actually is the slowest person in the world (toddlers included) he had every chance of getting back to cover, despite being caught out of position initially.You couldn't have your head further up Fellaini's arse could you? He was awful today, everyone has admitted it today apart from you, all the reporters, papers, everyone saying he was the one who was out of his depth today. You're literally the only person saying he didn't play poorly blaming everyone apart from him for the goal. Hell you're blaming Jones for not blocking a standard floated cross, or Rio who was back peddling for not clearing that header when Mandzukic is known to be brilliant in the air, while ignoring that Fellaini ignored Schweinsteigers run. He jogged back to the edge of the box and if he payed attention to Schweinsteiger and closed down his man, instead of ball watching, they wouldn't have scored. Simple as.
Top class source there. In any case against West Ham he made a tonne of clearances, and even though he didn't win all his headers he contested them and made sure Andy Carroll was useless in the air, which is no mean feat.
Cool story bro.
Problem is it was a heck of a lot of money to spend on a squad player wasn't it?
Its also on whoscored and Squawka. Out of 18 contested aerial challenges he only won 3. One of the biggest arguments on his side are his dominance in the air. He dominates players who back off him, not those that take him on and easily beat him.
http://www.squawka.com/news/2014/03...united-key-stats-player-ratings/2014032286221
Committed the most fouls and had the worst first touch losing the ball 5 times.
And? He still had a good game and rendered West Ham's main threat ineffective.
I don't know what the poor touches nonsense is and the writer clearly didn't watch all of those games - Fellaini certainly didn't struggle with the physicality of West Ham like he says. It's an odd little source.
As I told you he was our most involved player on the ball, he made the most dribbles and defensively made the most tackles, clearances and interceptions.
The stats are quite clearly in his favour, but even ignoring the stats anyone with an ounce of objectivity could see he played well.
Look. He did basic things alright, nothing special. He won 2 out of 5 tackles and made three interceptions, nothing to write home about and against a weak team that didn't even show up. The minute he comes up against real quality he can't even replicate the same basic performance. Committed more fouls than any other player in the PL this season as well which means he's the main reason we lose possession.
Pointless if you do not even understand. Jones should have blocked the shot obviously not the cross (how could he?)
I also pointed out numerous times Fellani could have done more but was not the main culprit for the goal, keep up and actually read if you are going to make shite comments.
I also don't feel he played great (again keep up) just that he does not deserve to be castigated because of the effort and yards he put in, not to mention some good defensive work and one very good chance created. He also brought the ball down well second half and was involved a lot more in keeping the ball.
You have a real issue with him and it's affecting your ability to discuss reasonably, or with any objectivity. Forget the stats for a second - he had a good game against West Ham, re-watch it and you'll see he played well. It's quite clear you dislike the player but when you're incapable of admitting he actually had a decent game them the whole thing becomes a bit pathetic.
Opta have him down as making 4 tackles against West Ham?
The stats argument is a load if bollocks really, because they point to him having a good game. You can cherry pick a few stats which paint him in a bad light but you can do that for any player.
Thought he had a decent game personally. Did exactly what I hoped he'd be tasked with doing in making it an awkward game for Bayern. Everyone with a brain knows that Fellaini isn't tehnically as good as their midfielders, so he has to play to his strengths. Fellaini wasn't in there to create or anything like that, he was there to be dogged and work hard. He put in some good tackles, filled the right gaps and did his job well as part of that midfield three.
With regards to the goal, Schweinsteiger wasn't his man in my opinion. He tracked another man back who was also waiting for the layoff. The fact that none of the CBs stepped up to the only man in the centre of the box seemed to put Fellaini in two minds. On another day he would have got tight to Schweinsteiger and the header would have dropped to his man. People would have still complained.
With regards to the goal, Schweinsteiger wasn't his man in my opinion. He tracked another man back who was also waiting for the layoff. The fact that none of the CBs stepped up to the only man in the centre of the box seemed to put Fellaini in two minds. On another day he would have got tight to Schweinsteiger and the header would have dropped to his man. People would have still complained.
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