I think you are being very humble. In my memory Bayern beat arsenal playing in third gear, destroyed juventus and Barcelona and were better than Dortmund for the majority of the match apart from perhaps the first twenty minutes or so. I don't recall any recent team beating others so comprehensively and I think Bayern required less refereeing decisions on their way than others who have won the cl. They seemed to be able to adapt to other teams games plans very well like against juventus and barca and the way they were dominated by Dortmund for twenty minutes but then managed to gain control. Madrid are the opposite right now, we seem to get outsmarted and outfought regularly against tough opposition.There's no club that won the CL without being really lucky at one point. We could have had Ribery and Dante sent off in the CL final, for example, that would have sucked.
La Liga 2013-2014
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I'm not humble
. We played one of the most dominant CL campaigns ever and clearly deserved the title. Still got lucky in a few key moments, had a few questionable goals going our way and were a bit lucky to finish the final with 11 players. You wrote we were the only club that won the CL without luck and I disagree with that.Rayo are such a funny team. Good at football, but can't defend, and can't attack 
The worst goals against record in La Liga, but with their recent run of form they've managed to get themselves up to 11th place. You can only wish them well for their faith.
The worst goals against record in La Liga, but with their recent run of form they've managed to get themselves up to 11th place. You can only wish them well for their faith.
I'm not humble
Well then least lucky. How is that?
Well then least lucky. How is that?
How do you measure luck ?
You cant accurately
. I just feel that they did not receive any major referee decisions their way compared to say barca or inter. They also did not have to rely on their keeper near as much as Chelsea did and there really isn't any match that I feel they were outplayed in except the second leg vs arsenal which they already thought was decided. They really didn't mess around or leave much to chance, they just flattened their opponents.I can't recall a positive "lucky" decision that Milan got in 2002-03 for example. Instead they had a goal wrongly disallowed against Ajax in the QF, and had Materazzi get away with 4 or 5 yellow card offences in the SF. And then the called off goal for Sheva in the final...Rube were shady as feck that CL campaign IMO, from Nedved's diving for PKs to the official in the QF being spineless.There's no club that won the CL without being really lucky at one point. We could have had Ribery and Dante sent off in the CL final, for example, that would have sucked
Don't think they got any major game changing decisions. But almost every team before and after that have, I bet.
Espanyol Rayo ends up 2-2
They fluked so many close wins during the group stages and followed it up with countless draws in the knockout stages, they were definitely lucky at some point and got away with a few undeserving wins/draws. I don't recall any referee mistakes though, but it's been a while and it was by far our worst season in Europe in the last 20 years, so I wasn't following the games as closely as in most of the others.
Please tell me you guys are looking these things up and don't have superhuman memory.
Well I was re-watching a few matches a couple of weeks ago, most of it is fresh in memory. I don't think you need a superhuman memory to remember some of the most awful refereeing decisions you'll see anyways, those tend to stick with you. AntiJuve used to be one of the funniest sites to look at how many fecking decisions Rube would get too
Many of Milan's 1:0 wins were pretty surprising, the most obvious one when Sheva was destroying our defence, how he managed to score only 1 goal amazes me. Then you had the likes of Inzaghi missing sitters and things along those lines, much of it had to do with Berlusconi. Can't really fault Milan for getting 0:1 away wins in Moscow and Dortmund either.
Many of Milan's 1:0 wins were pretty surprising, the most obvious one when Sheva was destroying our defence, how he managed to score only 1 goal amazes me. Then you had the likes of Inzaghi missing sitters and things along those lines, much of it had to do with Berlusconi. Can't really fault Milan for getting 0:1 away wins in Moscow and Dortmund either.
I remember a few minute details, like Desailly clapping after some bloke was sent off for Monaco against Chelsea in 03-04. Morientes proceeded to knock Chelsea outWhy do you call Milan Rube?
He's refering to Juventus as Rube, he's always doing that. He really hates the club and basically calls them a cheat every time by using it. I think it comes from the Italian word for cheat, not 100% sure. I have an Italian mate, who is a fan of Inter and he does the same.
Ah, cheers
Just saw this:
Just saw this:
So that's what FCBarca's been up to!
Atletico are actually going to win it, aren't they? They are effectively 4 points ahead of Madrid due to superior head-to-head and actual 4 points ahead of Barcelona, and their fixture list doesn't look that tough. Aways to Levante and Valencia might be challenging but nothing they couldn't cope with.
They were 51-1 and more to win the league at the beginning of the season. Liverpool were 33-1. If both end up winning it, it's going to be a major shock of a season.
They were 51-1 and more to win the league at the beginning of the season. Liverpool were 33-1. If both end up winning it, it's going to be a major shock of a season.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-attend-Cesc-Fabregas-daughters-birthday.html
good lads Welbeck and Cleverley should join them with their dancing skills!
good lads
Welbeck and Cleverley should join them with their dancing skills!He was a brilliant player and great strategist. In hindsight its not really surprising, that he became a good manager. Did anyone follow him during his first years as manager in Argentina?
Barca have confirmed that Alba and Neymar are out for 4 weeks, while Bartra might not be available for Sunday's match with Bilbao. Their defensive worries just won't stop, at least they have good cover for Neymar.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bilbao take something out of that game as they have been more than impressive this season.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bilbao take something out of that game as they have been more than impressive this season.
Real will win all their remaining games anyway so Barca won't win the title. I wonder what is going to happen if Atletico are a point ahead of Real in the last round of games when they face Barcelona - how badly will Barca want to win to hand the title over to Real?
I think it's obvious what's going to happen
I honestly don't see anything but a Barca loss in this case, I'm sure they would prefer Atletico Madrid winning the title rather than handing it over to Real.
Especially if Madrid get to the final. There is no way they would want Madrid with a chance of winning the treble. We will have to win all of our matches and hope atletico slip up. I actually hope barca keep winning too and stay in the race so that they will still be in contention for the title in the last match. If not we may see xavi do a steven gerrard backpassI think it's obvious what's going to happen
I honestly don't see anything but a Barca loss in this case, I'm sure they would prefer Atletico Madrid winning the title rather than handing it over to Real.
With 33 games played, Atletico are top with 82 points, Real Madrid have 79, Barcelona have 78.
Basically, if Atletico win 4 of their last 5 games it's their title.
Anything else and it's up for grabs.
Friday - from the BBC so all times are UK
Atlético Madrid v Elche 19:30
Sat 19 Apr 2014 - Spanish La Liga
Osasuna v Valencia CF 15:00
Levante v Getafe 17:00
Real Sociedad v Espanyol 19:00
Sun 20 Apr 2014 - Spanish La Liga
Almería v Celta de Vigo 11:00
Rayo Vallecano v Real Betis 16:00
Sevilla v Granada CF 18:00
Barcelona v Athletic Bilbao 20:00
Mon 21 Apr 2014 - Spanish La Liga
Málaga v Villarreal 21:00
Real Madrid's game has been moved with Vallodolid and La Liga's consent to May, due to the Copa/CL timing. Atletico who play Chelsea next week have had their match pulled back to Friday.
Elche are dangerously close to the relegation places, so they will put up a fight. Simeone says, "every game is a final now," so he won't be gambling on his team selection. It ought to be a solid home win for Atletico, but it's the business end of the season so who knows.
Athletic are playing to strengthen their CL qualifying fourth place. Can they win in the Camp Nou and turn Barcelona's losing run into four of the trot? The crowd may not be very kind to Barca if that happens - or even if it doesn't.
Basically, if Atletico win 4 of their last 5 games it's their title.
Anything else and it's up for grabs.
Friday - from the BBC so all times are UK
Atlético Madrid v Elche 19:30
Sat 19 Apr 2014 - Spanish La Liga
Osasuna v Valencia CF 15:00
Levante v Getafe 17:00
Real Sociedad v Espanyol 19:00
Sun 20 Apr 2014 - Spanish La Liga
Almería v Celta de Vigo 11:00
Rayo Vallecano v Real Betis 16:00
Sevilla v Granada CF 18:00
Barcelona v Athletic Bilbao 20:00
Mon 21 Apr 2014 - Spanish La Liga
Málaga v Villarreal 21:00
Real Madrid's game has been moved with Vallodolid and La Liga's consent to May, due to the Copa/CL timing. Atletico who play Chelsea next week have had their match pulled back to Friday.
Elche are dangerously close to the relegation places, so they will put up a fight. Simeone says, "every game is a final now," so he won't be gambling on his team selection. It ought to be a solid home win for Atletico, but it's the business end of the season so who knows.
Athletic are playing to strengthen their CL qualifying fourth place. Can they win in the Camp Nou and turn Barcelona's losing run into four of the trot? The crowd may not be very kind to Barca if that happens - or even if it doesn't.
More than just a club...Just saw this:
It would be hilarious if, after all the eulogising about Real, Barca & Bayern, the team that wins the domestic and European double is Athletico Madrid.
It could happen. There's certainly a toughness, a kind of remorseless devotion to their task that reminds me of Mourinho's first stay at Chelsea, with Diego Costa in the role of Drogba of course.
It would be an extraordinary triumph. Not for beautiful football, because for all the plaudits and enthusiasm for Simeone as a possible United manager, they're not a beautiful football team. What it would be is a welcome shock to the football system, where it had started to look like what mattered was having the most cash.
I don't think the comparison holds. Chelsea's first team under Jose was top, one of the best teams in Europe.
@jojojo, heard anything in the Spanish media about Alexis falling out with Martino? I don't speak Spanish so I only hear snippets, but read that he was pissed off at being dropped for a big game yet again and that he refused to go collect his runner up medal. Wouldn't normally believe things like that but there's a youtube video which seems to back up the second part at least...
Expecting Atletico to routine Elche by HT tonight and then sub some key men maybe at HT to save themselves for midweek.
I would say atletico are too. They beat us and barca and are top of the table. I would say la liga this year is better than the premiership that season
It's from SPORT. According to them, after the game Sánchez went straight to the dressing room. Puyol and Carles Naval (team delegate) tried to stop him but they couldn't, he didn't get his medal. When the others came to the dressing room, Sánchez went straight to Tata and called him a wimp/pussy/coward/etc.
Edit: It's already been major news in Chile.
They're all reporting basically the same thing. I think Sport ran the story first, I don't know where they got the story.
Basically, there were supposed to have been angry words between Tata and Alexis according to some of the reports Alexis called him a cagon, the best translation I can give you to that is the phrase chickenshit (in the cowardly sense)
Alexis may have a point, he's been on the bench for Barca's last 5 defeats and came on in the final after Bale scored.
Could happen. Only Raúl García (Mario Suárez at a push) out of the possible starters in midweek doesn't play tonight (Arda Turan still injured, Diego Costa's injury not enough to keep him out the starting team).
Come on Atleti.
I was actually thinking of the psychology and focus of the team.
In terms of individual players, yes Chelsea had better individuals and certainly much better known ones. But as a team, Atletico deserve that CL semifinal final berth, doesn't that make them one of the best in Europe?
Cheers jojojo and Pippa
There's always drama. Still though, I can definitely see why Alexis is frustrated - his goals are a big reason why they're still in the title race, or at least were up until recently, and yet he gets dropped every important match for players that are clearly out of form. Doesn't excuse the petulance but I'd be looking for a move if I was him.
There's always drama. Still though, I can definitely see why Alexis is frustrated - his goals are a big reason why they're still in the title race, or at least were up until recently, and yet he gets dropped every important match for players that are clearly out of form. Doesn't excuse the petulance but I'd be looking for a move if I was him.
Yeah true actually. But with Atletico it is the case of sum being greater than individual parts, with Chelsea that was true to an extent only