Why did Moyes get rid of our backroom team in favour of Evertons?

Been thinking about this again (yea I know I need to get over it), but reading that article where his former u18 coach comments on his playing style and how he sets up to play. Makes me wonder how it would have gone down with people like Rene and Phelan still around. There would have been friction no doubt...

Not saying that's why he got rid but I don't think they would go in for his supposed 'play not to lose' philosophy... I could go on and say that is another reason why he should have kept them on, so he could get insight into how we've been ding things for several successful years... but that ship has sailed. Moyes is failing hard and even if we saw these guys again I doubt Moyes would be around to work with them.

Would be damning if whoever took over after Moyes went back and tried to rehire some of them.
 
In light of what may come to pass, the decision to 'move on' the backroom staff seems so shortsighted and knee jerk...
 
Looking back, it was a ridiculous thing to do. It's accepted in most situations, because the manager is there to improve on the man who went before. In our case, the mission was to remain where we were, so keeping the coaching staff together is a no brainer.
 
I still him changing the coaching staff was a complete non story. Any manager who accepts a new job is going to bring their own guys.
 
I think that decision may have cost him his job. Meulesteen and Phelan's presence would have helped the players accept him better and would have offered some tactical insight. But everything is easy to say in hindsight.
 
I think if he kept Rene and Phelan around this situation would have gotten ugly a lot sooner. There probably been reports of Moyes falling out with them around October. Especially once we had some poor results.
 
To answer the question, because Moyes is a moron. You don't destroy a coaching staff which had bagged 5 prem trophies in 7 seasons and bring in a coaching staff that had won phuckall during those 7 years.

Moyes possibly would have understood the calamity of his ineptitude sooner had he kept a coaching staff which understood how trophies are won.
 
I don't think too much should be read into this. It's perfectly understandable for a guy starting a new job to want to be around staff he knows and trusts. We may have been doing better with our old staff, however I think we can assume Rene chose to leave and even if all of them stayed they would be implementing Moyes' ideas.
 
Gannicus said:
To answer the question, because Moyes is a moron. You don't destroy a coaching staff which had bagged 5 prem trophies in 7 seasons and bring in a coaching staff that had won phuckall during those 7 years.

Moyes possibly would have understood the calamity of his ineptitude sooner had he kept a coaching staff which understood how trophies are won.
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To be honest we started deteriorating technically with the ball on the pitch when Queiroz left in the 08/09 season (coinciding with the promotion of Rene and Phelan). By the time it was 2011 we were playing some shit football and I remember a thread on here questioning the point of Phelan even being at this club. If Mourinho or another big manager came in with their playing staff, we would have said absolutely nothing about him destroying a PL winning coaching staff setup , because he has the right to do so (being a proven good manager). I don't think there was anything wrong with getting rid of the staff because whether or not Moyes brought in his own staff or not, he was doomed to fail catastrophically here.
 
Ralph1386 said:
I think that decision may have cost him his job. Meulesteen and Phelan's presence would have helped the players accept him better and would have offered some tactical insight. But everything is easy to say in hindsight.
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It would have only prolonged the decision for another year or two. Better coaches would have masked him but eventually his true level would have been found. However, this season would have been much better and likely he would have been here for another year or two.

Considering all things, now I am happy that he made that decision.
 
Revan said:
It would have only prolonged the decision for another year or two. Better coaches would have masked him but eventually his true level would have been found. However, this season would have been much better and likely he would have been here for another year or two.

Considering all things, now I am happy that he made that decision.
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Agreed, must admit when we appointed him on a 6 year deal I felt we would be stuck with him for at least 2 years even he was below the required standards. But he's been so far out of his depth we've been forced to act now. Imagine 4 or so years under the man? Good grief.
 
from what the Indo is saying it's a 6 year contract with clauses. so it looks likely, if he's sacked, that Utd only has to pay one year as a severance cos he failed to meet certain objectives.
 
It is hard to say. Rene probably thinks of himself as being on the same level as Moyes. A scenario were they class early on is not really that far-fetched. Tactically, it would've helped Moyes a lot but I don't see their personalities really working together.
 
saivet said:
I don't think too much should be read into this. It's perfectly understandable for a guy starting a new job to want to be around staff he knows and trusts. We may have been doing better with our old staff, however I think we can assume Rene chose to leave and even if all of them stayed they would be implementing Moyes' ideas.
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When a CEO comes into a company, he doesn't fire the entire upper management. He adapts to the system, especially one that performs substantially better than his previous lot. Why would you walk in and immediately destroy the best backroom staff in the country to replace it with the consistent but mediocre group he brought with him? He refused to adapt or accept challenges so he did the same thing he did at Everton--he was mediocre. He could have learned an inordinate amount from the group that was in place rather than sticking with his yes-men and their flip books. If his first priority was being comfortable, he was never going to make it at United. His failure to adapt has cost him his job. If he had kept SAF's staff, United would likely be in the top 4 and he'd still be the manager at United at the end of the season.

Moyes said he wanted to keep Rene but Rene said he wasn't offered anything. Likely they chose to part ways because Moyes decided to assume all of Rene's duties leaving him with nothing but odds and ends or the youth team.
 
Usually a manager taking charge does so after a firing; the previous regime didn't work out and there's a need for a new broom, fresh ideas. That's why it's usually customary in football for a new manager to bring his staff. Moyes didn't walk into that situation and therefore this tradition was ill-suited for purpose. It will go down as one of his biggest failings not to recognise this.
 
Last year on forums like this people would make jokes of the likes of Phelan. Now people write about them like they were the biggest reason why we won trophies.
 
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Keeps It tidy said:
Last year on forums like this eople would make jokes of the likes of Phelan. Now people write about them like they were the biggest reason why we won trophies.
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Maybe not the biggest reason why we won trophies, but at least Phelan and co knew how to get it across to the players and had built a relationship with them over the last several years. At least retaining them would've probably given the 'stability' that we were supposedly looking for when we hired Moyes, business as usual, and maybe given him some breathing space as well. In other words, we wouldn't be looking at a complete unraveling mess like we are now IMO.
 
I guess his confidence got the better of him, nobody have challenged him at Everton, he's like SAF there.

Him being the chosen one and stuff, and tbf all managers are probably confidence with their skill set, or they won't do a good job. But this is a special case, the jump is too big, and if only he realises that earlier, it could have been very different

But all and all, I'm glad he only got 1 year, nothing beats 6 years of mediocrity hovering around 4th. If only the Scouse sack Souness sooner
 
afrocentricity said:
In light of what may come to pass, the decision to 'move on' the backroom staff seems so shortsighted and knee jerk...
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This is probably his biggest mistake. It is understandable when a team is fighting regulation or has stagnated and the club want to go in a different direction. However, considering that the team needed an overhaul, over a number of years, it did seem a strange decision to start with the backroom staff. Maybe, the fact that Fergie did not look at them as his replacement maybe made him think they were not up for change.
 
What happens to them? Thought they would have left with him but guessing they will stick around until we hire someone.
 
While it was definitely a stupid decision, as time went by you could see his reasons for doing it.

There's no way Meulesteen and Phelan would have subscribed to his tactical approach and they'd have left before long anyway.
 
This was the reason for Moyes's downfall. There is a reason why Zidane is Ancelotti's assistant and why Kidd remains at City. He dismantled a winning setup and replaced them with his buddies. Phil Neville never once looked the part.
 
Nice lad Phil Neville may well be but boy oh boy I was nervous for Moyes as soon as he appointed PN. What must the players have thought? Sorry but PN came across in the same way Phil Neil came across, as Graham Taylors England no2.
 
Ralph1386 said:
I think that decision may have cost him his job. Meulesteen and Phelan's presence would have helped the players accept him better and would have offered some tactical insight. But everything is easy to say in hindsight.
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Was pretty easy to say in foresight tbf... but I know what you mean.
 
afrocentricity said:
Was pretty easy to say in foresight tbf... but I know what you mean.
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I was just watching an interview with Van Gaal where he says that when he arrives at a new team he always likes to keep a coach from the previous coaching team. Sounds like a guy who knows what he's doing.
 
Glad them two have also been sacked, what a stupid decision from moyes in the first place. It's common to change it up if you're going into a job that had its manager sacked, not after you go into a club that is incredibly successful.
 
If we get LVG, Rene as one of his assistants would make sense.
 
What a mess... I can see Rene coming back, or... that's what I'd like to see.
 
He got rid of them because his intentions on how he was going to manage utd were completely flawed from day one, he came here to a manage utd just as he managed Everton, same back room, same tactics, same try to do his best attitude. He never gave himself a chance right from day one and we have been going backwards ever since he made this decision.
 
mic.m said:
This was the reason for Moyes's downfall. There is a reason why Zidane is Ancelotti's assistant and why Kidd remains at City. He dismantled a winning setup and replaced them with his buddies. Phil Neville never once looked the part.
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Phil was never assistant so why are you comparing him to assistant managers? What made him never look the part? You don't even know what he did so how do you know if he looked the part or not? The few second shots of him sitting on the bench? Does Nicky Butt look the part?
 
Bojan11 said:
If we get LVG, Rene as one of his assistants would make sense.
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Was just about to post this question. Surely it wouldn't be surprising to see him bring Rene in as a coach again. Does anyone know if they have had dealings with each other or have a good relationship? It would surely help the new manager to have someone who knows the majority of the players. In a dream world I'd love to see Quieroz as assistant again if that was possible too.
 
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