£80M minimum I'd say - plus £10/20m on a fullback if Sagna goes.
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Mourinho will only be remember as the first manager to win all top 3 leagues in Europe. It´s better to be perpetually stuck in 4th place and being constantly embarassed against top opposition by having no tactical plan B. To be fair to Wenger, if he didn´t lose his top players every year to other richer clubs things would probably be different, but i understand the frustration of winning nothing and constantly failing in Europe takes his toll on players.
No he won't - he'll be remembered as a relentless self-publicist and club-hopper who built no lasting legacy.
Yes, i would think that also if i was an Arsenal fan.
In all probability, he will go down as the most successful manager of all time.
You would think so too if you had a decent appreciation of football and weren't seduced by freestylers and bullshitters.
Wut?
He's 51. If he manages for another 10/15 years his trophy count will be unmatched.
It's not hard to imagine surely? He's 51. He could easily win a couple more European cups by the time he's done which will take him past Paisley.
It's been a while since we had a Wenger v Mourinho debate where half the posters assume that Arsenal and Chelsea are identical clubs in every way.
You are as wrong as your yearly Arsenal predictions. I don´t even like Mourinho at all (i´m a Sporting fan and not a gloryhunter. I would never like someone who ripped our club´s shirt and made fun of a member of Sporting staff who won an Uefa award by his football work despite having physical and mental limitations). I just find the bitterness amusing.
Mourinho will retire as the greatest manager of all time imo. He's going to have done it across multiple leagues with constant success and likely more European Cups than anyone else.
Behave. He's already one of the greatest managers of all time. At 51. His record is unbelievable.
I don't think Arsenal fans are any more bitter towards Mourinho than any other set of supporters.
The guy is a successful manager in certain ways. He will win you trophies, but he does create a lot of damage at clubs as well. History tends to remember the dynasty builders more favourably than the guys who go in, spend £200m, win some trophies, then leave.
The guy is a successful manager in certain ways. He will win you trophies, but he does create a lot of damage at clubs as well. History tends to remember the dynasty builders more favourably than the guys who go in, spend £200m, win some trophies, then leave.
Will Wenger leave Arsenal in that greater a shape than when he began?
Yes. Because, duh.
Look i´ve known Mourinho way before any of you actually heard of him. As a man and his caracther he is worth in my opinion an absolute zero. English media may love him for his media circus but he doesn´t fool the rest of us in Portugal (except Porto fans). He can be magnanimous when he wins but he shows his true colors when things don´t go well. He also has a very short memory of his antics when he constantly accuses others of things he actually did in the past. I actually laugh when he talks about fair play and diving because i remember most of his episodes from Portugal. He is an hypocrit.
Having said that, of course history will remember his career and his feats. Like i said he was the first manager to win all top 3 leagues, he has 2 champions league (winning one with Porto which was an incredible feet and one with Inter 40 years after Helénio Herrera´s win) wins and has the semi final 8th presence record and will probably win and achieve alot more. No one can deny his legacy.
Chelsea had a stonewall pen denied before the Gerrard slip
Is that a serious question?
How? They're in no shape to win the league. Last time I looked their academy wasn't producing much. Apart from a brief spell of success, I can't see how Arsenal have really progressed. It's tantamount to Valencia resurgence under Benitez in the early 2000s.
Edit: feck, watching the barca -villareal game.
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Yes, they're pretty much in the exact same position - battling for the CL spots. A chart of Wenger's Arsenal goes up for a few years, and then returns to the same level.
Arsenal finished 10th, 4th, 12th, and 5th before Wenger took over. I mean, come on.
...In which alternate reality did that happen?
I would say there is more bitterness to Mourinho by Arsenal fans than anyone - and rightly so. When he walked into Chelsea, Arsenal were 'The Invincibles', and everyone expected they'd dominate for years to come. However Chelsea's mega-millions and Mourinho's management well and truly rained on your parade, resulting in your trophy drought of the past decade - Arsenal no longer the best team in London, let alone England. Had Mourinho not come to Chelsea I'd have thought you'd have picked up at least couple of extra titles, plus various cups here and there. Whether or not you like or agree with the Chelsea (and subsequently City) model, whilst United managed to find a way to compete on the field of play, Arsenal have consistently remained in their shadow. There must be thoughts of what might have been for every Arsenal supporter, considering their Premier League status before Mourinho arrived on the scene and their underachievement since.
What I'm saying is Wenger's 'dynasty' ain't that great. Arsenal were already a big club before Wenger, it's not like he's taken a weak underdog to the top. He took an established, big PL club, took them to the top for a few years and then reached 4th place equilibrium. By the time he leaves, probably very soon too, Arsenal won't be challenging for the league or CL. They're in a weaker position than United, Chelsea and City - short term and long term.
I don't even...
I think you mean Valência mate
You sure they are in a weaker position than United in the short term?
Yeah, changed it! Watching the barca - Villareal game!
Well, they won't be winning the league or CL. Whereas next season we'll have a top manager and top players and will be right in contention to win the league. I'd take a year out of the CL to recalibrate and compete on a domestic level, rather than being the hopeful also-rans, that nearly got there ... until February.
Think you underestimate his world impact here. Although what he did was common practise in other European countries, Wenger has arguably done more for the Premier League's 'global' brand than any other foreign manager. His first double team was built on imported talent.
Yeah their local rivals
dont travel to Valencia too soon, might meet some angry peopleArsenal are consistently in the top four, have a good reputation with players, have a massive new stadium and are one of the most financially healthy clubs in world football without cheating..
What has Wenger ever done for them?
What has Wenger ever done for them?
Yeah their local rivals
Damn Freudian slips!
You're assuming a lot there mate and correct me if I'm wrong but your opinion seems to be based on the fact that we are going to spend our way out of trouble, which to me only highlights Wenger's achievements.
If we were Arsenal we'd probably have to get back to the top 4 after selling a couple of our best players. Think about that for a second, Wenger does a great job with his resources.
Granted that trend appears to have been bucked with the purchase of Ozil but it will take more than one purchase to make up for years of not spending, and on top of that selling your best players.
I'm not saying he's not done a good job, I'm just saying it's overstated. He peaked TEN years ago. People are mistaking longevity for dynasty. A great king does not rule long, but rules as long as he should.
Yeah their local rivals
Isn´t Levante Valência rivals? I had some Valência friends from college Eramus days and they were always mocking Levante.
All I'm saying is Arsenal peaked 10 years ago. It's in the past. If Wenger left tomorrow, Arsenal would not be in that much of a better position as they were before he took over: the one that could (almost).
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