Yeah I'd call it a failure of adaptation personally.
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Killer Joe? It's an amazing film!
OK let me put it this way - if you 'tone down' the script for that film you take away everything about it that makes it memorable.
You don't feck with a David Mamet script any more than you'd tell Martin Scorsese what to do with a camera.
The initial comment that the dialogue lacked realism is nonsensical in that all movie scripts lack realism because you know... they're scripted.
I meant films that feel like plays on camera. Was following up on Wibble's comment.
I don't agree. If you can't adapt a stage play for film then you shouldn't make it.
And Scorcese needs telling what to do with a camera some times as his recent output has been pretty ordinary.
And Scorcese needs telling what to do with a camera some times as his recent output has been pretty ordinary.
Well thankfully you're in the minority and hopefully not involved in the film industry, or anything artistic for that matter.
I'd dread to think of the 'black and white' output in a Wibble governed industry.
I'd dread to think of the 'black and white' output in a Wibble governed industry.
No it isn't - you just have little or no grasp of different modes of theatre/film.
Apart from the film degree I have you mean?
You were wasting your time judging by what you've posted in this thread. 'The initial comment that the dialogue lacked realism is nonsensical in that all movie scripts lack realism because you know... they're scripted'. FFS.
Realism has a pretty long history in Cinema. For almost as long as cinema has existed, there have been movements attempting to capture realism within it. Be it Russian documentary makers of the early 20th century, Italian neorealism and whatelse have you. There being a script doesn't change that.
The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner - My dad told me to watch this one. It's a really good early Herzog potrait of a top class ski jumper. Swiss German is really weird.
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Good argument.
I agree but this has nothing to do with what’s being debated here because we’re specifically talking about the script. The script of a play no less (with the Baldwin part added in for the film).
Apparently this doesn’t ring true I can only assume due to Pete’s many years working in the Real Estate industry where people were far less verbose and theatrical in their delivery.
The mistake being made here is to judge a film on your own preconceived ideas of what it is trying to be rather than what it was intended to be. For anyone that thinks this wasn’t a good adaptation I’d love to know how you take a play that for 90% of it’s duration is set in one room with 5 main characters and make it more filmic without damaging the integrity of the original piece?
And why would you anyway? Christ various cinemas across the country screen RSC stage productions live. Shall we tell them not to bother? Is this less worthy because it doesn’t fit into this blinkered view of what constitutes film? How about Orson Welles ‘The Trial’ or ‘Rope’ by Hitchock? Were they too stagey? Personally I couldn’t get into Dogville by Lars Von Trier because they hadn’t bothered to build any sets. Took me right out of the film that.
I couldn’t care less if people criticised it because they thought it was boring or just crap but to criticise the dialogue of Glengarry Glen Ross for lacking authenticity is only setting up an argument based on a false premise.
Has anyone seen the new Godzilla yet? If so, is it any good?
Godzilla is a decent movie, nothing more. It's good to look at, but the characterizations are a bit paper thin and most of the actors are completely wasted here. You can definitely see the same flaws of his previous work. There is also much too little Godzilla for a film which is called Godzilla! I'd give it a 6.5/10.
And Godzilla's dialogue isn't very naturalistic. Grrr this and guarrr that. Who talks like that in real life?
Even though it's in English, they should redub it just to give it authenticity.
You guys have obviously never been in a bar with drunk salesmen.
Mud - Just watched it on Amazon Prime, hadn't heard of it before. Great film, the little kid was great in it too. The ending was a little bit silly but I don't care. 8 saucepans out of 10.
Europa Report
A passable low budget sci fi flick from last year that gets a bit silly in the final third. There's nothing new here but they've done well with the budget and one scene in particular is as uncomfortable as anything in Gravity.
A passable low budget sci fi flick from last year that gets a bit silly in the final third. There's nothing new here but they've done well with the budget and one scene in particular is as uncomfortable as anything in Gravity.
On this point, the RSC plays at a cinema are a different kettle of fish. They are stage plays, filmed, not films based on stage plays. A film like Carnage was a failed adaptation because it's clearly intended to play like a film, but still reeks of a play being filmed. You could say that's the point, a bit like Tommy Wiseau tries to claim The Room is ironic.
Just watched Warrior for the 4th time. Nick Nolte really gives an Oscar-worthy performance. That scene in the hotel room really gets to me 
It's scripted so the dialogue would never be natural ffs.
I completely agree with this.
Is he fighting other monsters in this one at least?
Spoiler alert!
Yes, Godzilla is the good guy in this one. He is fighting two other robotic-looking monsters called MUTOs (Massive Terrestrial Unidentified Organism)
A genuinely atrocious film that made me regret the 10 quid I paid for it.
The film is paced extremely slowly. The male lead is boring as feck, the action sequences are blunt and lack suspense, orchestration or imagination. Almost nothing iconic gets smashed a cool way, which is the least you would expect from this type of film. The US Army is there throughout the film but have no meaningful influence on proceedings. Almost as if hellfire missiles are candy bars. The film completely fails to have any fun with its subject matter. For example, when a Russian nuclear sub goes missing, you would at least expect a scene with a Putin-like actor blaming the Americans or something of that sort. And why would a pre-historic monster emit an electro-magnetic pulse is beyond ludicrous. There is so much wrong with this film...
It's completely pathetic. If you are looking for a great monster movie, look no further than "Cloverfield". An infinitely superior film that I am amazed it wasn't an even bigger financial success.
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Is there any sign of a zombie Mark Strong at any point in the film?
Is Godzilla worth watching in a...who cares it's only a shifty popcorn flick..way?
If you've seen one Gozilla or zombie Mark Strong film, you've seen them all, it feels like.
You know nothing Nilsson Snow.
I'm not getting the zombie Mark Strong jokes... can someone explain?
Have you seen Sunshine?
I saw Mark Strong on stage last week in 'A View from the Bridge' by Arthur Miller (one of the 20th-century geniuses in rendering demotic speech). He was very good as Eddie but the play suffered by moving away from Miller's naturalism to an operatic/Greek tragedian treatment which wasn't entirely successful.
Absolutely, I thought it was great. Not without its faults but they definitely didn't detract from the movie as a whole for me.
Saw Godzilla. A fair few flaws: the lead actor can't act, the main female character does absolutely nothing, the actually talented actors are wasted, Godzilla doesn't appear that much, the fighting between Godzilla and the other monsters wasn't that great and some of the plot points were really stupid.
That said, it was a decent popcorn flick. Six or seven out of ten probably. As long as you have low enough expectations it'll be grand.
That said, it was a decent popcorn flick. Six or seven out of ten probably. As long as you have low enough expectations it'll be grand.
Godzilla what a let down, i went in expecting Brian Cranston to be the lead actor not fecking beefed up kick ass.
The story was dragged out, Godzilla was barely in it and being honest i had more fun watching Pacific Rim, it was like watching Noah all over again.
The story was dragged out, Godzilla was barely in it and being honest i had more fun watching Pacific Rim, it was like watching Noah all over again.
I somehow ended up watching every Argentinian film over the last two days.
The Aura (2005) - Taxidermist tops my list of untrustworthy professions. 7.5/10
Nine Queens (2000) - Which Queen were the Weimar Republic supposed to be putting on their stamps? 8/10
Glue (2006) - The most orange film I've seen. Would heavily recommend to fans of the colour orange. 6/10
XXY (2007) - Not entirely convinced that no sea turtles were harmed in the making of this film. 7/10
I think there are about 10 actors in Argentina.
The Aura (2005) - Taxidermist tops my list of untrustworthy professions. 7.5/10
Nine Queens (2000) - Which Queen were the Weimar Republic supposed to be putting on their stamps? 8/10
Glue (2006) - The most orange film I've seen. Would heavily recommend to fans of the colour orange. 6/10
XXY (2007) - Not entirely convinced that no sea turtles were harmed in the making of this film. 7/10
I think there are about 10 actors in Argentina.
I had to think about that for a good few minutes.
I thought it was the same old yarn, not that I wasn't expecting anything different. Everything was poor save Godzilla and the other monsters. If I directed that movie I'd have got rid of the dialogue and human characters and replaced them with more monsters fighting it out around the planet...in a winner takes all thing. My word Godzilla was handsome.
Have you seen The Secrets In Their Eyes? Carancho is very good too. Ricardo Darin is a fantastic actor.
The Secrets In Their Eyes is a good one, perhaps not quite worthy of all the gaga praise though.
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