Liverpool

Eric'sCollar said:
I think he is nowhere near the standard required but I think they will bring back and use Borini.
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He`s got the ability to play equally decently (but no better) in all front positions and Rodgers had him at Swansea, right? I`d expect him to come back along with a winger, presumably Lallana or Konoplyanka, assuming of course Suarez stays.

Suarez, Sturridge (Borini, Random Free, Cheap or Loan Signing)
Sterling (Konoplyanka/Lallana, Coutinho when not at CM)
 
They should probably look at a Mitroglou loan if Fulham want rid of his wages. Good CL record, I think, and a proper 9 to chuck on when you need a goal.
 
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I'm not liking this Bertrand link. Shaqiri would be most welcome though.

Parejo links seem to be growing stronger too.
 
Christ, if Liverpool get those players they'll probably make a very good fight for the title even with the distraction of European football.
 
redman5 said:
So when the likes of Bruce, Pallister, Ince, Kanchelskis, Hughes, & Cantona, were tearing up the Premier League in the early days, where/who were the latter day equivalents of Hazard, Suarez, Aquero, Silva, Gerrard, YaYa Toure, etc ?

The United players I named above were good players playing in a very mediocre league. You can't compare like for like, because today's competition is by far & away much, much, stronger than it was 20 odd years ago.
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How many Liverpool players are better than those I mentioned?
 
Lallana will be a great buy for them. Worried that Rodgers is shrewd and perceptive enough to tweak Liverpool into long term competitititiveness. Needs a new defense, though.
We've got one going spare.
 
Raw said:
Christ, if Liverpool get those players they'll probably make a very good fight for the title even with the distraction of European football.
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Damn straight. Its not just Chelsea and Man Utd that are able to strengthen over the summer. :cool:
 
Raw said:
Christ, if Liverpool get those players they'll probably make a very good fight for the title even with the distraction of European football.
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Bertrand, Lallana and Shaqiri? None of those is top class.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Shaqiri is brilliant. Lallana is very good too. Bertrand would be disappointing so hopefully we do get Moreno.
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Shaqiri is good, no doubt. Lallana is solid. Bertrand isn't great. The point is they're not the sort of player that are going to propel Liverpool and allow them to compete on four fronts.

Especially after Liverpool's best player leaves.
 
Their summer signings look a bit shit now, don't they. Eight in, five likely to head back out, and the three that made the cut - the best three - are Mignolet, Sakho and Ilori. There are shades of Rafa there: loads of cheap mediocre players brought in and then moved on without ever making any kind of impact.

They'll have to do much better than that if they want to compete for the PL again next season with the added pressure of CL games. Luckily for Liverpool, flop signings like Aspas and Alberto weren't actually needed that much this season, but those are exactly the sort of squad players that are relied upon when the European games start to come thick and fast.
 
I think this is a dangerous time for pool. They want to buy big and keep the momentum, but last year they did well in the market with offloading some good names, they didn't buy too well and will have trouble selling the players off at a profit. While their targets this year are gonna cost them they don't have too much value to sell on this year.

They will undoubtably be spending their CL money, but with the stadium expansion, I think they're taking a risk based on the hubris of this last season.
 
acnumber9 said:
How many Liverpool players are better than those I mentioned?
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Ask me again in 10-15 years time, when they, just like the players you mentioned, have packed in playing.

Players like Ince, Bruce, Pallister, & Hughes, all formed part of the United side that finished 13th in the league in 1990. I certainly don't recall them being anything special then. So how do you what our current players will go on to become under Brendan Rodgers ? At least I know that they're up against a much higher calibre of opposition. & I also know that no matter how much you rated the aforementioned players, they were eventually replaced by superior players, which in turn made you a much better team, playing in a much better league.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Shaqiri is brilliant. Lallana is very good too. Bertrand would be disappointing so hopefully we do get Moreno.
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Moreno has been dismal in every game I've seen him in. He was particularly bad in the Europa League final. I'm not at all worried by who Liverpool have been linked with. Where has last summer's ambition with Costa and Miki gone?
 
Miki's stagnated at Dortmund and Costa is not gonna come along every season. Why is Shaqiri not up to your high standards DJ Jeff? I'd say he's up there with the old Miki. Lallana is up there with a Coutinho type signing (but with more work ethic and goals). Moreno is the only one that worries me, I'd rather have the cheaper Bertrand deal.

How worried were you when we signed Henderson, Allen, Coutinho and Sturridge? Not much I bet. :cool:
 
Lallana for £25m is too much. Has to be £20m max. Shaqiri does not have premiership experience, could end being a Sahin or Soldado. Needs some thought.
 
I said before but Liverpool are better off looking elsewhere if Southampton drag their heels for £25 million for Lallana, a player of equal quality could be purchased for £10 to £15 million.
 
Dumbstar said:
Miki's stagnated at Dortmund and Costa is not gonna come along every season. Why is Shaqiri not up to your high standards DJ Jeff? I'd say he's up there with the old Miki. Lallana is up there with a Coutinho type signing (but with more work ethic and goals). Moreno is the only one that worries me, I'd rather have the cheaper Bertrand deal.

How worried were you when we signed Henderson, Allen, Coutinho and Sturridge? Not much I bet. :cool:
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Bertrand is a midtable player.........Moreno will have a big future.......of course Moreno's price could be big.......but Bertrand isn't better than Luis Enrique
 
Where are those text pics from? Famed Liverpool ITK?

The summer is going to be crucial for Pool, they have to build on their success this season or they can easily fall off.
 
crappycraperson said:
Where are those text pics from? Famed Liverpool ITK?

The summer is going to be crucial for Pool, they have to build on their success this season or they can easily fall off.
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It's important but the basis of a top side have already been signed. I'd say Chelsea, United and Spurs are the clubs with crucial summers in terms of re-building. Liverpool need a good tweak by comparison.
 
Dumbstar said:
Miki's stagnated at Dortmund and Costa is not gonna come along every season. Why is Shaqiri not up to your high standards DJ Jeff? I'd say he's up there with the old Miki. Lallana is up there with a Coutinho type signing (but with more work ethic and goals). Moreno is the only one that worries me, I'd rather have the cheaper Bertrand deal.

How worried were you when we signed Henderson, Allen, Coutinho and Sturridge? Not much I bet. :cool:
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I disagree that Miki has stagnated. He has been good, just not set the world alight. I don't think Shaqiri would get into your first XI. I don't think Lallana represents a big or arguably slight improvement on Coutinho or Sterling. He would be nothing like a Coutinho signing. Similar type of player - likely to cost at least £16m more. A waste of a third/half of your budget if he goes for around £25m, which he would cost.

I still amen't that worried about those players. Coutinho and Sturridge are very good. Allen is just average, I don't see how you can suggest we would be worried about him. He didn't really contribute to your title push. Henderson has had an excellent season and we missed a trick. Again though only really Sturridge or Henderson are players I'd want here.
 
Dumbstar said:
Lallana for £25m is too much. Has to be £20m max. Shaqiri does not have premiership experience, could end being a Sahin or Soldado. Needs some thought.
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Just like Lallana could be the next Young or Downing. This idea that players from smaller clubs within England are any less of a risk than top level foreign players is preposterous. There's a risk with every signing, but I'd rather have someone with Champions League/big club experience than someone who's "premiership proven".
 
redman5 said:
Ask me again in 10-15 years time, when they, just like the players you mentioned, have packed in playing.

Players like Ince, Bruce, Pallister, & Hughes, all formed part of the United side that finished 13th in the league in 1990. I certainly don't recall them being anything special then. So how do you what our current players will go on to become under Brendan Rodgers ? At least I know that they're up against a much higher calibre of opposition. & I also know that no matter how much you rated the aforementioned players, they were eventually replaced by superior players, which in turn made you a much better team, playing in a much better league.
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Since you rate the current league so highly, you must think Ferguson better than Paisley then? Since Fergie dominated against tougher opposition. Did Bob have to compete domestically against the likes of an Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Yaya, Aguero, Silva, Suarez etc...
 
Anyone already missing the Liverpool of 2013-2014? We won't see their like again for a few years.
 
Thisistheone said:
Since you rate the current league so highly, you must think Ferguson better than Paisley then? Since Fergie dominated against tougher opposition. Did Bob have to compete domestically against the likes of an Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Yaya, Aguero, Silva, Suarez etc...
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I suppose had Ferguson built a team comparable to the Barcelona side that won 3 CL's in 6 years, then you might have had a point. But he didn't, so therefore, you don't.
 
redman5 said:
I suppose had Ferguson built a team comparable to the Barcelona side that won 3 CL's in 6 years, then you might have had a point. But he didn't, so therefore, you don't.
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So using your logic, Pep is a better manager than Fergie as well?

Crazy stuff.
 
Thisistheone said:
Since you rate the current league so highly, you must think Ferguson better than Paisley then? Since Fergie dominated against tougher opposition. Did Bob have to compete domestically against the likes of an Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Yaya, Aguero, Silva, Suarez etc...
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You're arguing two different things here but wrongly conflating the two.
Firstly, Paisley's Liverpool didn't have to compete against the continent's best players week-in-week-out but by the same token Paisley's Liverpool were made up of British players, just like the rest of the league. Paisley's means were far more modest than a modern day manager of a top 6 side. Whether you believe Ferguson was a better manager than Paisley, comparing squad strengths is irrelevant based on the totally different eras.
Secondly, there's no doubt that the PL of 92 was a weaker division overall compared to today. That has no bearing on management quality it just indicates that the general standard is higher today, meaning that comparing a top squad from the early 90s to a modern day top squad of players is a bit futile.
 
PickledRed said:
You're arguing two different things here but wrongly conflating the two.
Firstly, Paisley's Liverpool didn't have to compete against the continent's best players week-in-week-out but by the same token Paisley's Liverpool were made up of British players, just like the rest of the league. Paisley's means were far more modest than a modern day manager of a top 6 side. Whether you believe Ferguson was a better manager than Paisley, comparing squad strengths is irrelevant based on the totally different eras.
Secondly, there's no doubt that the PL of 92 was a weaker division overall compared to today. That has no bearing on management quality it just indicates that the general standard is higher today, meaning that comparing a top squad from the early 90s to a modern day top squad of players is a bit futile.
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Ferguson spanned both era's though and was successful. The tougher the level of competition, the better the achievement.

As for Guardiola, yes. He's been a manager for 6 years? How can that be compared to Ferguson's 35 plus years? Maybe in 15 years we can compare Pep to Fergie.
 
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