I thought he was atrocious tonight. Reminded me of playing 5-a-side where after 10 minutes, there's one player who stands by the goal for the duration and only moves when the ball gets within a yard of him.
Mesut Özil
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He's obviously a terrible player. If he hadn't signed for Arsenal then I'm sure the Ozil witch hunt would be non existent.
Mata was cheaper and better. One of the good things Moyes did was not signing this guy.
He's obviously not a terrible player, but I'm glad that we bought Mata instead.
Looks like a great Arsenal signing..
When things are going good he plays good, when it´s going to get tough he packs his bags..
Worthless when you need to step it up, has been through out his career. I have couple of mates from Spain who support Real and they were thrilled to get this kind of money for him. Silky smooth but thats it, even the German fans have been booing him lately..
When things are going good he plays good, when it´s going to get tough he packs his bags..
Worthless when you need to step it up, has been through out his career. I have couple of mates from Spain who support Real and they were thrilled to get this kind of money for him. Silky smooth but thats it, even the German fans have been booing him lately..
I was being sarcy.
I think the witch hunt on Ozil is ridiculous. People describing his performances as 'rotten' and 'discusting' are way off the mark.
That's impressive. Out of all the Madrid fans who wept and opposed the sale of Ozil, it just happens that the two of them who were happy about it were also your mates.
It makes me laugh how Ozil has had a much better WC than many 'world class' players i.e. Aguero, yet he is the only one that gets victimised.
Ozil is the epitome of a confidence player.
When things are going well, he's feeling loved and valued - he's world class.
When things aren't going well or his confidence is shot, he's going to be non-existent.
When things are going well, he's feeling loved and valued - he's world class.
When things aren't going well or his confidence is shot, he's going to be non-existent.
Yeah I'd go with that. Unfortunately everyone on this forums seems to be quick to judge yet reluctant to praise when it's justified.
Tbh that's the 'name of the game' for an oppo forum I'd say. You do get the odd comment of a Utd fan praising a good performance by him, but it'd be weird to have dozens of Utd supporters getting excited over his good games. Also, you probably have to factor in that Utd fans in general may be more prone to watch Arsenal's big games, big games in which he was most of the time non existent during last season.
I think it's paranoia to suggest there's a 'witch hunt' against him, I see Utd fans praising good games by opposition players all year, if Özil had lived up to the expectations, the praise would be there as well.
And again last night, despite scoring a goal at the end, he was very very poor.
Well one of them actually lived in Bremen at the same time I did and got to follow Özil´s career pretty closely, say every weekend when he played there. This has been his syndrome for many years. Great when things are going great, never the one to get you out of rut. But anyone with a pair of eyes could see the talent that was there.
That said I can´t agree with you on him having a good WC, his confidence is low and he looks flat. Making remarks on how bad other superstars have been does nothing to change that fact.. Özil had a great qualifying for Germany and was their top scorer but at the end of it he was well out of steam. And like I said was booed on couple occasions by his home crowd. That said he has changed the flow of the German team when started to play for the German national team and has had remarkable effect on it. Winning close to 80% of the games and in just over 50 games scored close to 20 goals and assisting close to 30.. These are statistics of one hell of a player, but he has been in a steep decline since November and well he does have some OK players with him in that German side which might help just a bit.. But I can tell you this when you need a hard worker in a tough match Özil is not your man. But he might always provide that creative spark to make the difference.
Plays these days as though carrying a chronic injury meandering around avoiding contact. Watched him closely last night and he kept turning his back on play rather than power into space. The sort of dynamic run that left Gareth Barry for dead are history.
I didn't think he was overly poor last night. He was probably Germany's best player outside of Neuer in the first half. He dropped off though.
There's a lot of hysteria about Ozil that I don't really understand. He get so much criticism for mediocre games.
There's a lot of hysteria about Ozil that I don't really understand. He get so much criticism for mediocre games.
What was he thinking trying to pass the ball in front of the open net?! 
You think that everytime he steps onto a football field though, to be honest. And it's rarely true.
Ozil wasn't Germany's best player at all, he was dreadful. Can't believe I was so desperate to have him at United, he's probably more overrated than Rooney.
He seems to lack that mentality that top players have. Not sure how to put it another way, but he's a big pussy.
Excellent footballer, but it doesn't surprise me that he fails to take the big games by the scruff of his neck. I think he needs another big player at Arsenal (maybe Sanchez will do it) to take the light off him a bit.
Excellent footballer, but it doesn't surprise me that he fails to take the big games by the scruff of his neck. I think he needs another big player at Arsenal (maybe Sanchez will do it) to take the light off him a bit.
I don't all the time. He had a good year for us though, on the whole. A better first year statistically than loads of top players, like Silva and Mata.
It's become fashionable to overhype any poor performance he ever has, that much is clear.
Eh, scuse me?
Mata had 6 goals and 4 assists in 14(1) (PL only). Ozil had 6 goals and 11 assists in 33(1) (CL and PL).
Mata had more per minutes played, so ...
He meant when he first moved to Chelsea.
I don't know the exact Maths on this but Mata had 8 goals and 16 assists in 40(6). Not much in it.
I love how people who've never been within 100 miles of Ozil can tell what his mentality is.
Well obviously people are judging his mentality as a professional footballer, not as an individual.
I think he gets a lot of criticism because of his £42m transfer fee and the fact a lot of Utd fans thought he was really good and were upset when he went to Arsenal. The fact he's been underwhelming, and I'd argue in 2014 he's been downright poor, is a relief for many utd fans I would say. Maybe that's why he's focused on.
He's clearly very talented but there is no chance he was Germany's best player last night. That's nonsense.
He's clearly very talented but there is no chance he was Germany's best player last night. That's nonsense.
Mata was underwhelming for you lot too. But you don't hear us harping on about how shit he is, because he isn't, like Ozil.
Very true.
Mata joined mid season with little game time and was playing in a team in complete turmoil though, big difference.
I agree that calling Ozil shit is a bit silly, he's obviously not and certainly a great player on his day, but he has been pretty disappointing at times, especially in the later stages.
Ozil isn't shit, but he is overrated and was very lucky to play at Real Madrid. Where he didn't have to do defensive work and could focus on attacking, but where he was also playing next to Ronaldo, where the most simple pass will be recorded as an assists. He isn't better than Silva nor Iniesta.
I honestly don't see how he's seen as a better player than Mata either. He can do it all, score wonderful free kicks, can contribute around 10-15 goals a season and has proven himself to be an assist machine. Ozil is a wonderful player too on song, but Mata offers more IMO.
Mata is more productive imo, but Ozil does have that elegance/geniality in him, and I think that's why people rate him so high.
People still expected Mata to have a bigger impact than he did.
And you can definitely make some excuses for Ozil too:
Attacking midfielders often take a year to settle in the league anyway; lack of a clinical striker; injuries to key players in Arsenal's attack - Ramsey and Walcott; and an Arsenal side who were liable to being given a good spanking without warning - which he can't really do much to avoid on his own, and indicates deeper issues in their team.
Yes but that's largely attributed to Moyes using him wrongly (i.e. as a right winger), playing rubbish, slow football and us being really crap. He still had good stats by the end of the season and finished it well.
I think we'll see a much better Mata next season. I'm not sure we'll see a much better Ozil.
He had 6 goals and 4 assists in 14 matches. How is that underwhelming?
That's true with regards to Moyes. We obviously had issues here, but I also think Arsenal had issues of their own. Both were underwhelming at times, both had incredible moments. But none of Mata's performances were quite as poor as Ozil's against Liverpool at Anfield.
I'd agree that Mata's improvement on last year will probably be greater than Ozil's. I don't think Ozil will ever look better than he did at Madrid, whereas I can see Mata doing even more here than he did at Chelsea.
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Whatever his stats he hardly lit the place up for United did he?
To be fair to Mata, he came to a team last season that was playing the worst football in most fans' memories 
I don't think Ozil is shit but he has disappointed a lot considering what people expected of him. Having said that, he was garbage yesterday despite scoring...
I don't think Ozil is shit but he has disappointed a lot considering what people expected of him. Having said that, he was garbage yesterday despite scoring...
Even Messi couldn't do that, Mata has done the maximum he could do, one player could hardly change the way United were going and lit the place up.
It's strange with Ozil.
If the game's slow-paced and 'chess' like, he'll often struggle with the close attention and lack of space. It's almost inevitable. And if the game is extremely fast-paced the ball seems to just go past him. He may still come up with a moment or two of magic, but it'll usually be surrounded by a mediocre performance.
But if the game's sort of mid-tempo, with a degree of freedom to it (but not too much) he often comes alive.
The conditions need to be quite specific.
If the game's slow-paced and 'chess' like, he'll often struggle with the close attention and lack of space. It's almost inevitable. And if the game is extremely fast-paced the ball seems to just go past him. He may still come up with a moment or two of magic, but it'll usually be surrounded by a mediocre performance.
But if the game's sort of mid-tempo, with a degree of freedom to it (but not too much) he often comes alive.
The conditions need to be quite specific.
That he usually vanishes in some of the matches especially if he gets bullied - that happens in his good times, too. But since his last time in Real something is different with him - he feels in doubt and lost about all carefee attitude he had before and that shows.
Not only in the body language but with his effectivity, too. I do not know if it was the Ghana or the US match - but he got a little praise for some key passes. Just - it was passes a year ago would have been converted to goal as he lost his timing. There were e.g. too crosses would he have played them a bit earlier or harder could have been converted as Müller was in position - like this they were just the moments to late so that a defender could come for a clearance.
What he lacks is the mentality - or maybe of character and attitude, too. If you see how some of his fellow players developed the recent years - not just on but off the pitch - you see the difference.
Not only in the body language but with his effectivity, too. I do not know if it was the Ghana or the US match - but he got a little praise for some key passes. Just - it was passes a year ago would have been converted to goal as he lost his timing. There were e.g. too crosses would he have played them a bit earlier or harder could have been converted as Müller was in position - like this they were just the moments to late so that a defender could come for a clearance.
What he lacks is the mentality - or maybe of character and attitude, too. If you see how some of his fellow players developed the recent years - not just on but off the pitch - you see the difference.
Well actually a lot of teams will pick out Mata's most simple mistakes and even discredit anything good he does (Liverpool and for some reason Tottenham and Everton fans do it a lot too). Not to the extent of Ozil's abuse though.