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ffs if only someone had posted that tweet last night then we could have talked about it
The problem for DM is that he seldom showed the confidence to support his own decisions. He did look out of his depth and while he may very well of made a lot of decisions that SAF/LVG would of made last season, the players simply didn't have the confidence in his management techniques...
In an age when public perception and looking the part is nearly as important as being a good coach, DM never appeared to be in control.
But the tweet does show the hypocrisy and fickle nature of fans/media. Moyes subs off RVP, he is sh*t, LVG does it, hes a genius . . There are very narrow margins between success and failure at the top level, but unfortunately for DM, his decisions did not pan out in the manner in which they might have for another manager.
Probably because few had faith in any of Moyes' decisions, whereas many have faith in VG.
But the tweet was referring to the fact that Moyes didn't sub out RVP in that game against Newcastle when he was clearly having a poor game. That quote from Moyes was his answer as to why Van Persie stayed on despite appearing unfit.
The problem with Moyes was, he shyed away from tough decisions. Rooney at Munich, Van Persie at Newcastle etc. He was quick to freeze out lesser players like Zaha, or question the work rate of someone like Welbeck but walked on eggshells around Rooney and Van Persie.
But the tweet was referring to the fact that Moyes didn't sub out RVP in that game against Newcastle when he was clearly having a poor game. That quote from Moyes was his answer as to why Van Persie stayed on despite appearing unfit.
The problem with Moyes was, he shyed away from tough decisions. Rooney at Munich, Van Persie at Newcastle etc. He was quick to freeze out lesser players like Zaha, or question the work rate of someone like Welbeck but walked on eggshells around Rooney and Van Persie.
Massive factor in why he failed for me, he had no experience of managing big players, if you treat them differently, they will act differently and that can be fractious for the rest of the group, so it proved.
^ Yep. Moyes pandered too much towards what the fans wanted. Playing Kagawa, Mata, Rooney and RVP or at least 2-3 of those in every match he could even though it left us starved of pace going forward. Throwing on attackers for defenders in the 80th minute when we were a goal down just to feign bravado.
I had no qualms with Moyes until he turned out to be spineless and showed he doesn't believe in his own methods. Had he stuck with what he was doing at Everton I would have backed him to the hilt, but the guy shit it from the crowd and we ended up trying to play nice football with players who couldn't mix and we ended up losing. Had he won whilst making us play overly shit I would have said fair enough, Fergie did it in has last few years, but no.
Van Gaal on the other hand won't give a shit what anybody says. If he sees no future for Kagawa and Mata and prefers Young and Valencia to cross the ball in, he won't give a toss if God himself asks him to stop.
I had no qualms with Moyes until he turned out to be spineless and showed he doesn't believe in his own methods. Had he stuck with what he was doing at Everton I would have backed him to the hilt, but the guy shit it from the crowd and we ended up trying to play nice football with players who couldn't mix and we ended up losing. Had he won whilst making us play overly shit I would have said fair enough, Fergie did it in has last few years, but no.
Van Gaal on the other hand won't give a shit what anybody says. If he sees no future for Kagawa and Mata and prefers Young and Valencia to cross the ball in, he won't give a toss if God himself asks him to stop.
Doubly impressive as he hasnt even set foot on Carrington yet.
The problem with Moyes is that he stepped into a role that was too big for him to fill. He was overwhelmed and rather than implement his own ideas while running the risk of making enemies at the club, at times a necessity when changes need to be made, he instead played it safe by doing what he felt the fans and the players wanted, thereby diminishing the respect he may have had at the club. Maybe if he had some measure of success last season, i.e. qualifying for the CL, he may have grown in confidence and found the bravery to take his own initiative. As it was though, the stream of failure would have only agitated his fragile ego and made him even more defensive and fragile.
LVG on the otherhand, having had a wealth of experience at the top end of european football, has no qualms about implementing his own plans and cares not a jot for the opinions of others. If things are going badly, I reckon that rather than retreating, he'll try to diagnose the problem and if needed, make changes. He certainly doesn't have the type of vulnerability that those who are not used to manage at the top end of football management would have. That's why I'm excited to see what he does and how he approaches the team and its quest for success. I reckon, though, that he'll be more pragmatic than beautiful.
LVG does not need to add to his credibility but the further the Netherlands progresses in the World Cup the more he will be insulated from the criticism of the media and some Utd fans if he makes unpopular decisions.'
I am sure some of Rooney's biggest fans are worried about how he will be used by LVG. I for one just want every player to be given an even playing field.
No-one despite their name or marketability should feel entitled.
I do not know LVG's plans but whether I will like them or not I am sure he will do what's best for the team in terms of success.
Subbing RVP and subsequently saying he would do it again gives me much hope for the future knowing that every player will realize that they will constantly have to work hard to earn their place in our team.
I am sure some of Rooney's biggest fans are worried about how he will be used by LVG. I for one just want every player to be given an even playing field.
No-one despite their name or marketability should feel entitled.
I do not know LVG's plans but whether I will like them or not I am sure he will do what's best for the team in terms of success.
Subbing RVP and subsequently saying he would do it again gives me much hope for the future knowing that every player will realize that they will constantly have to work hard to earn their place in our team.
I hope that last part you said doesn't happen
simple, regarding Moyes i'm glad he didn't succeed, judging by his recent comments, he genuinely was lost. LVG on the other hand knows exactly what he wants, and if supported by the club like in his ajax days we could see similar success, he is also a progressive manager, who adapts
Martin Samuel wrote an excellent article of Van Gaal in the dailymail today. Well worth a read.
Am I being blind or is it not available online?
"It was rather fitting that the first coach to use the World Cup drinks break to dramatic effect was Louis van Gaal of Holland.
Van Gaal is what is known as a game-changer. That is the role Manchester United have set out for him, as the successor to the forlorn David Moyes. They want the new coach to arrest last season's decline, to rebuild Sir Alex Ferguson's team and restore the club to the pinnacle of English football."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...ame-changer-Louis-van-Gaal.html#ixzz36CjNAsGt
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Cheers.
Will in benefit us in anyway if LVG brings home the WC?
To very encourging quotes from the Dutch camp
Iniesta says Van Gaal is special
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
The RVP quote about knowing that Depay meant they would now play 4-3-3 says more about the general level of football managing, I think. Of course it did! Depay is a winger, they were playing a 5 man defense and chasing the match and a defender came off for him.
I'm sure LVG is as brilliant as people say, but that's pretty damn basic.
Is he a 'win at all cost' or a 'win fairly' type?
Well he's managed Ajax and Barcelona so I'd suggest he wants his teams to win by playing football how it's supposed to be played.
Yeah, he's good enough to win games on tactics alone.
I don't want us to be associated with play acting and divers. We've had a few dives in the past which was quickly dealt with. Hope the trend continues.
I'm not talking about playacting and diving, I'm talking about the fact that at Ajax and Barça it was possession based , fluid attacking football. Football played the right way, not the Chelsea way for instance.
I was asking about whats his take on diving and such.
Nonetheless, his philosophy of attractive attacking football will bring new lease of life to the club.
Yeah, I couldn't tell you on that sorry.
His philosophy, with the Dutch right now, seems more "win football" than "attacking football".
I actually don't mind that at all.
Well considering last year was neither attractive, nor winning football, I'd take either of those two at the moment.
LVG is a star of this WC. His success and the way his players embrace him are attracting a lot of top players.
If the Glazers come up with the money I see us having a great transfer season.
If the Glazers come up with the money I see us having a great transfer season.
I think so. Our lads will respect him anyway because he's already a proven serial winner, but if he joins them in that dressing room as a WC winner I think the levels of belief in him will be sky high.
I also think any players we might still be in for might possibly be that but more encouraged.
In more than one way this may be a new exciting era for the club. Unfortunately, we may lose a traditionally Britished player base.
I just wonder how long it will take for our team to get used to his style of play and tactics. Took Moyes also a while to get "away" from Fergie's style
Not really. Just looking at Holland right now will tell you that LvG will play whatever style of football in order to win. If it means parking the bus and counter attacking then so be it.
He has said as much recently.
Just see whether the current Holland team cheats a lot to win or not. So far there haven't been much except maybe accusations of Robben diving. Not sure if they were real dives though, as I didn't watch those games.
I'm saying that at Ajax and Barcelona he would have played attractive football, and I expect to see similar at united. With the Dutch it's a different story.
So according to that article something like:
-------------------RvP
-----------Rooney----Mata
Shaw-------Vidal---Herrera------Valencia
-------Evans-Vermaelen-Jones
-------------------DDG
Not sure what to make of that, but it's bloody attacking!
-------------------RvP
-----------Rooney----Mata
Shaw-------Vidal---Herrera------Valencia
-------Evans-Vermaelen-Jones
-------------------DDG
Not sure what to make of that, but it's bloody attacking!
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