In an ideal world 99% of people would be feminists. I'm a feminist.
Backlash after WC rape jokes flood Twitter
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Thats for a different thread surely? Feminism by definition just means gender equality (so the term probably shouldnt even be "feminist" for a start), but you get a lot feminists who go past this and simply want to see anything with a penis suffer.
An ideal world wouldnt have any need for feminists.
Yeah I used to play online FPS' a lot back in the day, and I didn't really see much of a big deal about it back then. But in general, rape seems to be a bit of a joke on the internet these days.
Then that's not a feminist. You also get a lot of men who label any slight threat to their well ingrained gender privileges as militant feminism.
Because everyone would be one.
Basically, my point is the use of the word feminist like it's some kind of hate group is ridiculous.
I personally havent seen many men like that but thats me. What gender privileges do you speak of, by the way?
And i see what youre saying, but the fact that they wouldnt have to think about gender equality at all in the slightest means they wouldnt really be feminists.
people should get used to it that the internet is a dark, tough place. always was and always will.. and thats good.
and why many people "hate" feminists? because in europe we live in gender equalty already and most of them just want the whole world just be about woman. feminism now is all about "woman sufferd for decades and now they think men should suffer too". its disgusting. yes woman should have the same rights and should be paid the same amount of money for the same work but quota for woman? every woman with a little self respect does not want this bs. god they even change national anthems
even many woman hate the feminists today.
and why many people "hate" feminists? because in europe we live in gender equalty already and most of them just want the whole world just be about woman. feminism now is all about "woman sufferd for decades and now they think men should suffer too". its disgusting. yes woman should have the same rights and should be paid the same amount of money for the same work but quota for woman? every woman with a little self respect does not want this bs. god they even change national anthems
even many woman hate the feminists today.
Myriad. For example..
http://amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/
(Not all of these I agree with fwiw, but it's a decent list, at hand)
I don't know why some men find it hard to admit we have certain ingrained advantages. Women have many too, and occasionally counter advantages, but we obviously have more. This being a man's world, with women held at a lower status in the majority of places for the majority of history.
It's not a slander against our kind to admit this, it's very obvious, and simply the state of things. The same kind of advantage exists if we're born white, rich, able-bodied or are young. And groups rightly exists to try and redress the balance in all of these cases.
Well if we're playing the semantics game, there wouldn't be any good people either because everyone would be one. 'Tis a silly game really.
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I count my blessings every day that I was born young.
No we don't. Just because it's a less male dominated world, in some places (large parts are still hugely misogynist) doesn't mean all things are equal, or the old problems are all ironed out. Black people have made huge strides since the 60s, but we don't live in a racially harmonious or fair world. And even if we did, the consequences of years of unbalance would still be felt.
You just get people who are so used to the status quo of superiority, that any erosion of it feels like a backtrack. Because they're losing some power. When the truth is they (we) had too much to begin with.
Could you get them to change ours?
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Nonsense. The internet aint that dark a place and is constantly improving as idiots get called out for the idiotic shit they spout.
Europe doesn't really have gender equality, theres many laws to try give women the same rights but they still do get paid less and are treated worse by society. No one, bar perhaps the people you've fabricated in your mind wants to punish men.
Although I'm guessing you're also one who won't get promoted here.
The internet is a place where people use their imagined anonymity to say a lot of things. Some of them libellous, some of them offensive, some of them illegal. Some of them things that they wouldn't say in front of their parents, wife, sister, or employer - or even in front of a lot of their friends.
I particularly liked "women suffered for decades" (so not that long really) "and now think men should suffer too" Asking for equal pay and encouraging us to tone down the rape gags really shows us for all those years of not being able to vote, work or being owned outright.
The national anthem stuff is kind of puzzling me. I've heard a few people argue that they suck arse and shoud be changed/gotten ridden of, but never for feminist reasons.
I definitely think our National Anthem should be gotten rid of for feminist reasons. I'd sign that petition in a heartbeat.
In fact, when the ol' bird snuffs it and its changed to God Save The King, I'm going to create that website, start that petition and tubthump 'till my fists run red with the blood of FEMINIST JUSTICE DAMMIT!!
In fact, when the ol' bird snuffs it and its changed to God Save The King, I'm going to create that website, start that petition and tubthump 'till my fists run red with the blood of FEMINIST JUSTICE DAMMIT!!
obviously it is not perfect yet and there is still work to do for equalty you are right. but its not anywhere as bad as some (!) feminists are trying to tell you (in europe of course).
and yes i was a little over the top with "they want us to suffer" but my point stands - at least a light version of it :P
are you guys from england? i'm from austria and they changed our anthem because of an feminist and she is getting an ultra shitstorm since 2 (?) years now
and i dont try to get promoted. dont get me wrong i like the redcafe for the united related stuff and transfer news but thats it.
and yes i was a little over the top with "they want us to suffer" but my point stands - at least a light version of it :P
are you guys from england? i'm from austria and they changed our anthem because of an feminist and she is getting an ultra shitstorm since 2 (?) years now
and i dont try to get promoted. dont get me wrong i like the redcafe for the united related stuff and transfer news but thats it.
I remember reading about the changes to the anthem a while ago. Basically they changed "sons" to "sons and daughters", didn't they? Not exactly earth shattering stuff at any rate - but I frankly don't like it when works are modernized in this, or any other, fashion. If something is deemed outdated and/or inappropriate, replace the whole damn thing - don't tamper with the original. That's my general view on it.
Out of interest, why did they change the anthem? What was her beef with it? And what was it changed to?
Mockney, I salute you, but why bother? It's like pissing in the wind.
to be honest i wouldn't even care. i just think we have much bigger problems..
@Mockney - they changed it from "Heimat bist du großer Söhne" to "Heimat großer Töchter und Söhne"
so basicly from sons to daughter and sons - no big deal of course but it just sound extremly strange because they only changed the text.
they changed it because they felt woman where not valued enough which is idiotic of course because it is an metaphor
@Mockney - they changed it from "Heimat bist du großer Söhne" to "Heimat großer Töchter und Söhne"
so basicly from sons to daughter and sons - no big deal of course but it just sound extremly strange because they only changed the text.
they changed it because they felt woman where not valued enough which is idiotic of course because it is an metaphor
I am someone who has always played online games heavily in the past (even now) and people use these terms as if it is almost nothing. Words like AIDS (common in the FIFA gaming society), get raped, get fecked and all sorts. I'm sure people don't really mean it as the direct thing, the words have almost lost their meanings. Perhaps I'm desensitised to it, because there are no "alerts" going off in my head when I see it being used. Obviously these are extremely serious matters on their own, but in my opinion people are taking it too seriously. There are people on here joking about all kinds of things in other threads which I'd say are also bad (albeit not as bad), but no-one has anything to say about them.
and i think we got carried away a little bit from the actual topic :P
and i also think if you have an other opinion you basicly get slaughtered on here. i don't say i don't respect your opinion - i just don' share the same one.
i see it as @United22 - most of these words and phrases just lost their true meaning a long time ago
and i also think if you have an other opinion you basicly get slaughtered on here. i don't say i don't respect your opinion - i just don' share the same one.
i see it as @United22 - most of these words and phrases just lost their true meaning a long time ago
Well, I felt like fighting the good fight, a little out of liberal guilt for not being fully on board with the football rape metaphor thing. (getting back on topic! Wooo!)
At best I'm conflicted about it.
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F*cking hell, having your anthem slightly changed must be really traumatic. No wonder people are fed up of those evil, word-altering feminists.
Probably a good thing nobody in Ireland actually knows our anthem, there is bound to be something unsavoury or sexist in there
The Austrian national anthem was actually penned by a woman back in the day, it seems.
Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the women!
Marchons, marchons !
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons !
[Let the blood of the impure flood our ditches - or something.]
Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
Ben ick van Duytschen bloet,
Den Vaderlant getrouwe
Blyf ick tot in den doet:
Een Prince van Oraengien
Ben ick vrij onverveert,
Den Coninck van Hispaengien
Heb ick altijt gheeert.
This is just bizarre from a modern perspective. Declaring himself of German blood and loyal to the king of Spain. Didn't look very loyal to the old Rey a few weeks ago, did they?
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons !
[Let the blood of the impure flood our ditches - or something.]
Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
Ben ick van Duytschen bloet,
Den Vaderlant getrouwe
Blyf ick tot in den doet:
Een Prince van Oraengien
Ben ick vrij onverveert,
Den Coninck van Hispaengien
Heb ick altijt gheeert.
This is just bizarre from a modern perspective. Declaring himself of German blood and loyal to the king of Spain. Didn't look very loyal to the old Rey a few weeks ago, did they?
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It's always the women, Steve. Or them immigants - probably immigant women, come to think of it.
No we don't have gender equality in Europe. We have it better than in many other places in the world but it still isn't close to being equal.
I think it is a very valid point. Using raped to describe a football performance is ridiculous. As is referring to the losing team in words/ phrases that implies they were somehow being feminine/ female and thus weak.
Welcome on board, fighting the long defeat.
On trivializing the word rape: To say that using the word rape to describe football result will trivialize the word and people will stop treating rape as a serious matter is ridiculous. I could argue exactly the opposite. Those people who use the word rape to describe the 1-7 disaster did it exactly because they know how terrible rape is. Using words like rape, murder, etc. is a hyperbole. If Brazil had lost by 1 goal at home it would've been humiliating, loosing 1-7 was calling for a very strong hyperbole and they used rape, because in their mind that is a terrible act. Previous posters argued that because in some societies rape is still not taken seriously the use of that word is unacceptable. I would say it's exactly the opposite - in those societies that don't treat rape as a serious crime they wouldn't use that word to describe Brazil's humiliating defeat, because for them this word doesn't carry strong meaning, for them it's trivial - they would've used other words like 'stoned to death' or something like that. So you could argue, that using the word rape as a hyperbole to describe Brazil's humiliating defeat is a sign of the high level of awareness in the society that rape is a terrible, humiliating act.
On joking about rape: Humans have always joked and laughed about many things that in reality are quite tragic. Taking every tragedy in the world seriously is a recipe for chronic depression. If you think about it this way - the world is a terrible place full of death, hunger, natural disasters, murder, genocide, decease, disability, rape, slavery, etc., etc. We cannot deal with the enormity of all the suffering in the world, so subconsciously the human mind uses humor as a copying strategy. You are not a terrible person if you laugh at something that could make another person burst in tears - it's quite normal. In fact there is an argument that humor itself consists of laughing at someone's pain, misfortune or humiliation. Compassion and empathy are very important for any healthy human being, they help us to associate with someone else's suffering by feeling their pain. Humor is a different way to deal with suffering by not letting the pain affect you negatively - it's just as important for any person's mental health.
On political correctness: The problem with PC is that almost anything you say could offend someone. Whole topics like race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, mental health, disability, disease, religion and probably many others are all considered off limits, because of the potential to offend someone. This is PC gone mad. If you say Brazil got raped, than a rape victim might get offended; if you say they shouldn't cry like girls and behave like real men, than this is both a sexists remark and anti-gay; if you say they were lame, than a limping person might get offended; if you say Luiz is an idiot, than a mentally disabled person might get offended; etc. - I'm pushing it here, but you get my gist. Even if you exclaim "Oh my god!", than a religious person might get offended (which by the way happened to me in the past - once I said to a neighbor of mine "Oh my god" in a casual conversation and she looked offended and told me not to mention the name of the lord in vain). Have people lost their common sense? Everything should be taken in context and if it's not intended as an insult, than none should be taken.
On being sensitive: If someone lost a loved one in a car accident recently, than probably any mentioning of the words car, accident, crash, etc. would make them very emotional and bring tears in their eyes. That's normal and it's part of the healing process that would allow them after time to move on with their life. Avoiding the topic in their presence is common courtesy, but if you unknowingly mention how you got in an accident on your way to work and see them burst into tears that doesn't mean that you did something wrong - you just didn't know. Apologizing and being mindful what you discuss around that person in the future is the proper thing to do. Should you avoid the topics of cars at all times just in case someone had ever suffered a personal loss in a car accident? I think that's ridiculous. Same thing is true for many other topics like murder, rape, death, mental health, disability, etc.
Fun fact: Rape is one of the most common sexual fantasies for women. No one in their right mind would suggest that women want to get raped for real. Which only proves that the human brain is sophisticated enough to distinguish between reality and fantasy/joke, so there is no real danger for the casual use of the word to make us forget that in reality rape is a terrible act.
On joking about rape: Humans have always joked and laughed about many things that in reality are quite tragic. Taking every tragedy in the world seriously is a recipe for chronic depression. If you think about it this way - the world is a terrible place full of death, hunger, natural disasters, murder, genocide, decease, disability, rape, slavery, etc., etc. We cannot deal with the enormity of all the suffering in the world, so subconsciously the human mind uses humor as a copying strategy. You are not a terrible person if you laugh at something that could make another person burst in tears - it's quite normal. In fact there is an argument that humor itself consists of laughing at someone's pain, misfortune or humiliation. Compassion and empathy are very important for any healthy human being, they help us to associate with someone else's suffering by feeling their pain. Humor is a different way to deal with suffering by not letting the pain affect you negatively - it's just as important for any person's mental health.
On political correctness: The problem with PC is that almost anything you say could offend someone. Whole topics like race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, mental health, disability, disease, religion and probably many others are all considered off limits, because of the potential to offend someone. This is PC gone mad. If you say Brazil got raped, than a rape victim might get offended; if you say they shouldn't cry like girls and behave like real men, than this is both a sexists remark and anti-gay; if you say they were lame, than a limping person might get offended; if you say Luiz is an idiot, than a mentally disabled person might get offended; etc. - I'm pushing it here, but you get my gist. Even if you exclaim "Oh my god!", than a religious person might get offended (which by the way happened to me in the past - once I said to a neighbor of mine "Oh my god" in a casual conversation and she looked offended and told me not to mention the name of the lord in vain). Have people lost their common sense? Everything should be taken in context and if it's not intended as an insult, than none should be taken.
On being sensitive: If someone lost a loved one in a car accident recently, than probably any mentioning of the words car, accident, crash, etc. would make them very emotional and bring tears in their eyes. That's normal and it's part of the healing process that would allow them after time to move on with their life. Avoiding the topic in their presence is common courtesy, but if you unknowingly mention how you got in an accident on your way to work and see them burst into tears that doesn't mean that you did something wrong - you just didn't know. Apologizing and being mindful what you discuss around that person in the future is the proper thing to do. Should you avoid the topics of cars at all times just in case someone had ever suffered a personal loss in a car accident? I think that's ridiculous. Same thing is true for many other topics like murder, rape, death, mental health, disability, etc.
Fun fact: Rape is one of the most common sexual fantasies for women. No one in their right mind would suggest that women want to get raped for real. Which only proves that the human brain is sophisticated enough to distinguish between reality and fantasy/joke, so there is no real danger for the casual use of the word to make us forget that in reality rape is a terrible act.
You can't ask anyone to read that, Tucker.
I did though, and I regret it.
I did though, and I regret it.
Indeed because feminism is responsible for the break up of the family and one of the worst things to happen. Women more interested in wanting to act like a man instead of forgetting their most important role in being a decent mother and raising the future generation.
As for these "rape jokes". They are silly but just that.
You give people too much credit, most people don't think before they say something. That's the problem.
You don't know what political correctness is if you think it's about making certain things untouchable. It's simply about taking into consideration the effects of what you say.
You don't know what political correctness is if you think it's about making certain things untouchable. It's simply about taking into consideration the effects of what you say.
Why can't you raise your kids yourself?
A man should help raise the children. But a woman has the most vital role. But now many woman are more interested in playing the man role. A lot of woman have been forced into it to be fair, because feminism has made it where you need two sources of income.
That's nonsense. Feminism is precisely about fighting ridiculous ideologies that force people into an existence which gives them little choice. There being feminine and masculine roles is the real travesty.
great post tucker!