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Toby Young's bang on with this one.
Toby Young's bang on with this one.
I always thought Gove was inept as a politician and his big idea of free schools will prove to be an expensive mistake. If he really was as good an education secretary as Toby Young is saying then he wouldn't be out on his arse demoted and humiliated, would he? You can't move forward to the 1950's.
Nope, pretty much all of them will be.
So teachers and parents across the board hated gove, Al thinks they're all wrong, no surprise there then.
I can't think of any section of the teaching world that supported Gove. Even if his ideas were good (and they weren't) him as Education Minister just doesn't work.
Why has he been binned anyway? Unpopularity, rows within the party or fears about him challenging the leadership, post election?
Hopefully, it's because they realized he wasn't very good at his job. But it's probably because no one likes him and there's an election next year.
He forgot his political kit and now he has to make do with his vest and pants.
if you are to take on the educational status quo you need to portray the teachers as out of touch self interested arrogant wasters in desperate need of reform instead gove managed to make himself and his department look like that
He polled badly and had probably taken Education as far as he could. They won't walk back from their reforms so Nicky Morgan's role will just be controlling what's already rolled out.
Chief whip is a great role for him. He's good at media, a solid ally at No.10 and has long taken responsibility for his colleague's behaviour. Remember after the Syria vote it was Gove storming out the chamber lambasting the rebels and leading the Govt. side. George Young had no control over his position and Gove will be much more active and old-fashioned than what we've seen in the past year.
Chief whip is a great role for him. He's good at media, a solid ally at No.10 and has long taken responsibility for his colleague's behaviour. Remember after the Syria vote it was Gove storming out the chamber lambasting the rebels and leading the Govt. side. George Young had no control over his position and Gove will be much more active and old-fashioned than what we've seen in the past year.
It's because you've been media brainwashed. I know about a dozen teachers who absolutely loved the guy and saw him as the best thing to happen to education for years.
Obviously they don't get aired on TV though. The NUT do.
Not only have we lost Gove, but we've now got a complete weirdo as education sec.
That just says a lot about the teachers who move in your social circles, Al.
What social circles are those?
The experience I have of the teaching profession is that it is immensely resistant to change and likes to maintain the status quo above all else. Most industries are like this. Some, like Gove, are brave enough to challenge that world order.
Posh London ones where you all quaff champagne and belly laugh at poor people.
That's quite true. You can't start out with unpopular ideas and then be deliberately provocative though, if you're to get anywhere with challenging the status quo.
I'm probably less posh than the majority on here. I just don't like politics of envy and slagging someone off who dares make changes to an education system that was slipping down below third world countries in the league tables.
His ideas weren't unpopular. It's a myth. Of course they were for some people, but those in support never, ever got given a voice.
I really think they were unpopular. Especially amongst teachers (the ones I know are currently having a celebratory drink and signing along to Ding Dong the Witch Is Dead).
The man takes every chance he ever gets to do interviews. There was little room for anyone else to get a turn for talking up his policies.
Just old school Labour types. Celebratory drinks to mark the departure of excellent politicians really defines much of the left.
Ha! Not so much. The happiest one I know is an an Oxford grad classics teacher with a fondness for Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Let's face it - we all have a fondness for Rees-Mogg, even though we know it's wrong.
Maybe...
I'd echo DOTA's experiences of what teachers think of Gove. I was filming a few teaching lecturers a few months ago and in their opinions, Gove's policies are crap because they still focus on teaching kids things rather than teaching kids how to learn. It doesn't really matter if kids know what Napoleon did if they don't know how to learn about how to learn History by themselves. It's just a different version of ramming information down their throats which won't really help that many people.
Rees-Mogg is a fecking arsehole. Said he, on the internet, having only seen the man on TV a handful of times.
Rees-Mogg is a fecking arsehole. Said he, on the internet, having only seen the man on TV a handful of times.
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I wouldn't want him in charge of anything but I'd probably be willing to have a drink and chat about cricket with the guy.
I'd punch him in the face after the four of fifth unfunny joke he makes.
Well, probably not, but I would probably leave the pub.
Well, probably not, but I would probably leave the pub.
So what do we make of the fact that Gove's replacement is a faith-nut who, like Gove, supports greater autonomy for schools?
I don't think she is the person to be leading Education when our schools are being faced with perhaps their biggest crisis in years.... the mass movement of religious groups to highjack them in order to segregate and indoctrinate. I don't have much confidence in Labour to tackle this issue when they take over in 2015, as they are every bit as concerned not to offend the faith lobby as the Tory Party, but at least they shouldn't do anything to make it worse.
I don't think she is the person to be leading Education when our schools are being faced with perhaps their biggest crisis in years.... the mass movement of religious groups to highjack them in order to segregate and indoctrinate. I don't have much confidence in Labour to tackle this issue when they take over in 2015, as they are every bit as concerned not to offend the faith lobby as the Tory Party, but at least they shouldn't do anything to make it worse.
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To be fair, it would be really bad if Gove went all Taliban on us and shot up the schools.
What's very strange about the whole affair is how teachers are celebrating. If only they put that effort into teaching.
The reforms are still going ahead. What Gove has outlined is not changing - it's just changing hands.
It's the equivalent of me celebrating Arsenal's 8-2 defeat against United just because Park didn't score.
The reforms are still going ahead. What Gove has outlined is not changing - it's just changing hands.
It's the equivalent of me celebrating Arsenal's 8-2 defeat against United just because Park didn't score.
He won't be around to have anymore terrible ideas, though. That's a comfort.
Also, you probably don't hate Park as much as teachers hate Gove.
I don't get that either. It might be worth celebrating if Goves leaving meant reforms they want, but it doesn't.
Pretty sure Park scored in that game though.
edit; yeah, googled it, Park scored. 70th minute.
Pretty sure Park scored in that game though.
edit; yeah, googled it, Park scored. 70th minute.
I know a lot of teachers who are celebrating Gove's dismissal, but in reality, it's just Cameron trying to stick a more acceptable face on the front benches. Gove's changes to the education system are already in place, and Nicky Morgan isn't going to change anything in the next 9 months. Gove's unpopular with much of the public though, so he was an electoral liability.
Also, just as a general point, any time you think you agree with Toby Young, you're almost certainly wrong.
Also, just as a general point, any time you think you agree with Toby Young, you're almost certainly wrong.
That's the point. She will do sod all. He would've done more.
So, Cameron gets rid of an unpopular politician...aaaaaaand promotes Esther McVey, who's about as popular as me in an atheism thread.
Its just a reshuffle to please the eurocentrics and the neutrals come the election, but I don't think it'll work. Its too little too late.
Yeah, she is, mate. You can tell that she's serious about politics from the amount of photos of her with boobs in the foreground, her eyes resting somewhere on the top:
http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/index.php?/topic/103196-esther-mcvey/page-2
http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/index.php?/topic/103196-esther-mcvey/page-2
I'd bang her if she promised not to talk ever
They were saying on Newsnight yesterday that Nicky Morgan who replaced Gove voted against gay marriage so I imagine Cameron's plan of replacing the unpopular Gove with someone else to gain points with the public won't last too long.
Also might just be me but does anyone else find Tory scary.