Louis van Gaal | Manchester United manager

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Matador8 said:
He's a managerial institution, just like the great SAF. Anyone who isn't excited needs to re-read the programme. :)
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Fergie's ex players who've become managers haven't been brilliant managers like Van Gaal's prodigies.
 
Pexbo said:
It's not really a case of hindsight though. A large portion of us said that Moyes was a mental appointment and it's fecking obvious we should have gone for Mourinho.
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I think Jose had his heart set on a return to Chelsea. He should have been considered or offered the united at least, but we all know who vetoed Jose to United.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Fergie's ex players who've become managers haven't been brilliant managers like Van Gaal's prodigies.
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That maybe true, but i'm thinking more along the lines of actual management. What SAF did with Aberdeen was unprecedented, Maybe not the influential character on the training field, as Louis is. SAF was certainly a more accomplished leader.
 
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Mitchell Nicholas said:
I think Jose had his heart set on a return to Chelsea. He should have been considered or offered the united at least, but we all know who vetoed Jose to United.
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I think it is fairly well established that Jose desperately wanted to succeed Ferguson here and was quite upset when he was overlooked.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27511927

Sorry if this has been posted, but I thought it was interesting. None of it has left any concerns, I just was intrigued by the whole thing - particularly the relationship with his manager as a player.

Not posting the whole article as it's quite long.
 
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Yeah I'm not worried about that part at all, Man Utd doesn't really have owners or directors that like to stick their nose into football operations. Will he fall out with the odd player? Probably, but they will be dealt with swiftly.
 
Pexbo said:
I think it is fairly well established that Jose desperately wanted to succeed Ferguson here and was quite upset when he was overlooked.
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Actually, it's quite the opposite. Mourinho was always going to Chelsea. But if you truly believe 'it's fairly well established' and all that, you wouldn't understand anyway.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
The Bayern Munich board have made a lot of mistakes too during Van Gaal's time there
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Some people choose to ignore these facts. At Bayern and Barca he had "football people" chirping in his ear every five minutes, telling him what formation he should be playing ect. There will be none of that at Old Trafford. I'm sure that will please him somewhat.
 
Matador8 said:
Some people choose to ignore these facts. At Bayern and Barca he had "football people" chirping in his ear every five minutes, telling him what formation he should be playing ect. There will be none of that at Old Trafford. I'm sure that will please him somewhat.
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Conversely, after his fantastic managing in the World Cup, everyone here seems to have forgotten that Van Gaal's track record indicates a strong pattern of starting slow for a couple of months, leading his team to success for 2-3 seasons then struggling and getting run out of town.

That doesn't mean it will happen here, of course. Also, after last season, if Van Gaal can manage here for 2-4 seasons and win the league once and qualify us for the CL another time or two while bringing through youth, we'd have to be very happy with that.
 
NoPace said:
Conversely, after his fantastic managing in the World Cup, everyone here seems to have forgotten that Van Gaal's track record indicates a strong pattern of starting slow for a couple of months, leading his team to success for 2-3 seasons then struggling and getting run out of town.

That doesn't mean it will happen here, of course. Also, after last season, if Van Gaal can manage here for 2-4 seasons and win the league once and qualify us for the CL another time or two while bringing through youth, we'd have to be very happy with that.
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So basically he brings success and then is run out like Mourinho?
Anyway I think you have to look at the clubs where he was run out of and also the reasons behind it.
 
Matador8 said:
Some people choose to ignore these facts. At Bayern and Barca he had "football people" chirping in his ear every five minutes, telling him what formation he should be playing ect. There will be none of that at Old Trafford. I'm sure that will please him somewhat.
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That can make a difference, because at Bayern they could not contain themselves and had to have a say about which goalkeeper had to play.

But generally, people tend to say yes to a hard measures and a difficult man when they're desperate, but when progress is made they start taking it for granted and soon want things to be nice and easy. Besides that, it's also that peopled get tired from getting squeezed, from beeing kept on their toes all the time.

Maybe at Bayern, succes came too soon. That's not gonna happen here, because with no CL there can't be that much success. Maybe it will come too late, Van Gaal has been working faster and faster with the progression of his career, but it still took Bayern months before it started working. The players of an English club probably need more time to learn to play the way he wants them than the Germans, and the loss of points when it's not working yet will be greater in the PL than in the BuLi, where also a malfunctioning Bayern will get a lot points.
 
NoPace said:
Conversely, after his fantastic managing in the World Cup, everyone here seems to have forgotten that Van Gaal's track record indicates a strong pattern of starting slow for a couple of months, leading his team to success for 2-3 seasons then struggling and getting run out of town.

That doesn't mean it will happen here, of course. Also, after last season, if Van Gaal can manage here for 2-4 seasons and win the league once and qualify us for the CL another time or two while bringing through youth, we'd have to be very happy with that.
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We will benefit I feel from not being in CL this season. Should give van Gaal more time to work with the players. Harder to do when you have to factor in CL preparations
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
That can make a difference, because at Bayern they could not contain themselves and had to have a say about which goalkeeper had to play.

But generally, people tend to say yes to a hard measures and a difficult man when they're desperate, but when progress is made they start taking it for granted and soon want things to be nice and easy. Besides that, it's also that peopled get tired from getting squeezed, from beeing kept on their toes all the time.

Maybe at Bayern, succes came too soon. That's not gonna happen here, because with no CL there can't be that much success. Maybe it will come too late, Van Gaal has been working faster and faster with the progression of his career, but it still took Bayern months before it started working. The players of an English club probably need more time to learn to play the way he wants them than the Germans, and the loss of points when it's not working yet will be greater in the PL than in the BuLi, where also a malfunctioning Bayern will get a lot points.
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The cultural difference between Manchester United and other clubs, even in England, is huge though.

When you're at Mes que un club or FC Hollywood everyone has an opinion, and the manager can easily be undermined by star players who appeal to the board or the fans. Manchester United is completely different. Generally speaking the manager is an emperor at United: he wants walls around the training ground to keep out wind they get put in, he wants sleeping pods at Carrington they're installed. The suits don't care what the manager does provided the success required to bring in the big name sponsors continues. The players know that too. I doubt Van Gaal will encounter the kind of circumstances that forced him out of Barca and Bayern.
 
#07 said:
The cultural difference between Manchester United and other clubs, even in England, is huge though.

When you're at Mes que un club or FC Hollywood everyone has an opinion, and the manager can easily be undermined by star players who appeal to the board or the fans. Manchester United is completely different. Generally speaking the manager is an emperor at United: he wants walls around the training ground to keep out wind they get put in, he wants sleeping pods at Carrington they're installed. The suits don't care what the manager does provided the success required to bring in the big name sponsors continues. The players know that too. I doubt Van Gaal will encounter the kind of circumstances that forced him out of Barca and Bayern.
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That sounds reassuring. But still if the suits give the impression they might give an inch, people will start pushing. There might be a new situation with a new dynamic after SAF. It's amazing in football how quickly people involved, suits and supporters, can rethink their decisions and commitments after a streak of disappointing matches, or even after successes. Their state of mind changes. Cetrainly he will not encounter the kind of circumstances that forced him out of Barca or Bayern, but he has a habit of attracting all kinds of circumstances.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
That sounds reassuring. But still if the suits give the impression they might give an inch, people will start pushing. There might be a new situation with a new dynamic after SAF. It's amazing in football how quickly people involved, suits and supporters, can rethink their decisions and commitments after a streak of disappointing matches, or even after successes. Their state of mind changes. Cetrainly he will not encounter the kind of circumstances that forced him out of Barca or Bayern, but he has a habit of attracting all kinds of circumstances.
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The only thing I can see happening is if Rooney isn't on great form this season and LVG has to drop him, I can see issues forming here since Rooney is our highest paid player and our big commercial asset.

I for one am hoping Rooney can rediscover his form, however if he doesn't then he will be benched and then we will see if the suits at the club are truly different.

Whilst I think our club is not Barca or Bayern, I feel Moyes was undermined by players last season (even though he was not up to the job anyway)
 
Cassidy said:
The only thing I can see happening is if Rooney isn't on great form this season and LVG has to drop him, I can see issues forming here since Rooney is our highest paid player and our big commercial asset.

I for one am hoping Rooney can rediscover his form, however if he doesn't then he will be benched and then we will see if the suits at the club are truly different.

Whilst I think our club is not Barca or Bayern, I feel Moyes was undermined by players last season (even though he was not up to the job anyway)
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I agree with this but I think there's a difference between one player and the entire squad. By all accounts (and I know not everyone puts as much faith in the Red Issue lads as I do but they got a lot right last year) everyone disliked Moyes, even the ground staff at Carrington. Somehow, he managed to alienate everyone at United and created such a negative vibe around the training pitch that nobody wanted to play for him.

I could see Van Gaal falling out with players, even key players, he is a fiery man. However, with his 'whole person principle' I doubt Van Gaal will manage to upset everyone likes Moyes reportedly did. With Moyes it was the totally disinterested and businesslike way he went about business that reportedly upset people e.g. not talking to people who weren't linked to the first team. Whereas apparently, Van Gaal has already been charming the ground staff by talking to them about their lives, experiences, and families. Even with Rooney, with who he was meant to have a massive bust up on day one, there has only been warmth. I've seen a number of pictures of them together since the team arrived at the airport to go to LA last week, in every picture Van Gaal and Rooney have looked friendly together. It could all be staged and fake but you'd think if it was, like last season, the usual suspects would be putting it out there.

The way I look at it is like this: would Ferguson have lasted at Barcelona and Bayern longer than Van Gaal? Maybe but not seeking the level of control he enjoyed at United. Just look how worn out Mourinho was after a couple of years fighting for control at Madrid. Ferguson would not have allowed the board to tell him who his goalie was going to be any more than Van Gaal did. United won't tell Van Gaal what to do with his players so long as he delivers success. United will fire Van Gaal if he does not deliver success but they won't try and pick his team. Most marketable player changes regularly, 10 years ago people would have laughed at the idea Ronaldo could become a global icon for us like Beckham was...If Van Gaal brings players through and makes them stars United's corporate arm won't care if others are sacrificed.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
That sounds reassuring. But still if the suits give the impression they might give an inch, people will start pushing. There might be a new situation with a new dynamic after SAF. It's amazing in football how quickly people involved, suits and supporters, can rethink their decisions and commitments after a streak of disappointing matches, or even after successes. Their state of mind changes. Cetrainly he will not encounter the kind of circumstances that forced him out of Barca or Bayern, but he has a habit of attracting all kinds of circumstances.
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Yes, he has. But - you have to see what stays.

Just look at FC Bayern end of 2008/09 and the last 5 years. And maybe Germany as the Bayern players and systems are the key for that. The same with Barcelona and Spain where the players he brought out have been the key for success.

He has the guts to break old patterns and to bring in young players and promote them, he has the eye for the "special" player that makes the difference, he can build up a long living basic structure into the play, he is not scared of names...
 
Pexbo said:
I think it is fairly well established that Jose desperately wanted to succeed Ferguson here and was quite upset when he was overlooked.
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It isn't. He has been talking about going back to Chelsea since his Inter days. The rumour started and United fans have ran with it. Would he have been interested in succeeding Fergie ? Of course. Did he DESPERATELY want the job ? I doubt it.
 
Red Defence said:
How many tweets has she made about United then?
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Why are you talking about tweets?? Not sure what you were on about?? If she has been tweeting, I don't know. Do you know?
My comment was based on her giving interview to DailyFail. And I was comparing that to Kathy, who the media would not have dared to seek an interview.
 

Some Manchester City fans in Brazil found themselves staying in the same hotel as the Holland squad and seized their chance to bait van Gaal when they spotted the Dutch boss - then days away from taking over United - walking across the foyer.

Emboldened, one of the City fans shouted across to van Gaal that he was wasting his time taking over at United, because newly-crowned champions City were going to dominate the Premier League for the next 10 years.

Van Gaal, who by this stage had reached the hotel lift, heard the verbal jibe, turned on his heels and strode across to his tormentor, fixing him with a look of disdain and declaring "we'll see about that" before marching away, back where he came from.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/louis-van-gaal-lift-manchester-3892560



















 
The Red Thinker said:
That's interesting! Probably had Van Gaal over for talks did our Eddy.
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That picture @ Stamford Bridge is from 19th Jan. Van Gaal was in London to attend the FWA Annual Gala Tribute dinner in honour of Jose Mourinho.

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http://www.footballwriters.co.uk/news/mourinho-honoured-on-special-night-at-savoy/

http://www.dailynewsen.com/editoria...writers-association-annual-gala-h1616507.html
 
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