Fine whatever, I thought id throw something nice in there saying is saddens me that its come to this but I guess i shouldn't of bothered. Or maybe i should of left the word violence out, because all the polls suggest that Scotland is indeed divided almost exactly down the middle, which sounds like a good way to move a country forward to me.
Alex Salmond and Independence
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Fine whatever, I thought id throw something nice in there saying is saddens me that its come to this but I guess i shouldn't of bothered. Or maybe i should of left the word violence out, because all the polls suggest that Scotland is indeed divided almost exactly down the middle, which sounds like a good way to move a country forward to me.
I was just trying to add a little bit to make it sound less like I want Scotland to feck off, guess it didn't work.
The nation is divided but the violent part is hysterical nonsense based on huge amount of attention being paid to a tiny number of cases.
I'm not hating on ya but you are perpetuating something I think is the result of misinformation and really had to correct
I'm not hating on ya but you are perpetuating something I think is the result of misinformation and really had to correct
Orkney island independance would be hilarious. Yet it sits far more uncomfortably than Scottish independence does. A little island succeeding because it has oil would be very annoying.
Yeah, remove the word violence and its actually quite accurate though, which really should be the point. Do you think that Scotland as a population is equipped to follow through whatever the outcome is despite the fact people are so divided?
It is divided, it's just the violence claim that's annoying to read - it's been driven by Daily Mail/ Sun level reporting on the Yes campaign. Police in Scotland have already had to come out and "dismiss the preposterous suggestions there will be a surge of violence come the referendum". There might be the odd scuffle in pubs, but that'll happen on Friday night in Glasgow whatever's going on!
Appreciate the point you're trying to make, but it's frustrating to hear people keep bringing up the suggestion that Scotland is about to explode with violence. There's no chance of that happening outside isolated incidents. In reality, one of the main things that's united the Yes voters is a strong anti-nuclear weapons/ anti-war sentiment.
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Yeah, that's a more valid point. Whoever wins the referendum is going to have 45-50% of the population against that result, and that number could rise quickly if things don't go well. But what's the democratic alternative? Some people have suggested the Yes vote should have to get 60+% of the vote to succeed, but that's even more ridiculous. If 59% of the country has voted against the status quo but can't change it, that's a ridiculous situation.
I believe they would rather be affiliated with Norway but don't quote me on that.
So is it not true that....
A poll found that 46 per cent of No voters had felt personally threatened by Yes supporters during the campaign, raising concerns about the possibility of mob violence in the event of a No vote.
A 75-year-old man, who is registered blind, was yesterday punched in the face by a nationalist supporter as he handed out leaflets in support of the Union in Glasgow.
Of 133 business executives who put their signatures on a pro-Union letter 51 per cent said they had felt intimidated or pressurised by nationalists afterwards.
Salmond tried to pressurise the principal of the University of St Andrews into toning down her warnings on the referendum. Emails show that he asked Louise Richardson to change her statement and instead criticise the UK Government.
Don't you think that this is typical of the whole debate though, people picking up on the inconsequential details and generally ignoring the wider issues involved with independence. There have been no guarantees given whatsoever when it comes to some massive problems scotland will face and on the rare occasion salmond has actually committed on something its generally been shown to be based on lies. How anyone can vote yes without these guarantees is baffling and how anyone can trust salmond to get things right moving forward is even more so.
mob violence... bring in the tanks!
I believe you're right on that one.
An SNP spokesman was asked about that on the radio and he said
I have not read the allegations because they were in the telegraph and I like the rest of Scoltand don't read that torry newspaper
I just would love to see them actually try to run a country - its going to be hilarious and we get a ring side seat
It's all lies lies and more lies, apparently.
This surprises me, it's not like them to avoid answering questions.
Any violence is awful but for most country's to get Independence normally means some sort of actual war.
Just for the most part be fecking happy
Just for the most part be fecking happy
It's not really about Salmond so much, he hopefully wouldn't win the first election in an independent Scotland. The currency issue's the main one that he's completely ignored as he knows Scots would hate the idea of leaving the pound.
For the record, I can't but would vote no if I could. Just feel like the yes voters are being dismissed on here as unintelligent, violent, anti English yobs who have no understanding of economics or world affairs. It's not true at all, and the level of political debate and engagement in Scotland has been higher than I can ever remember seeing in England.
Also, Simpsons Artist Chris' take:
Sorry Marching but that's nonsense there are more than enough examples on the No side too. Only one side gets reported as such so it's no wonder that elderly No voters are scared, particularly those consuming conservative media. National Front and SDL out last night opposite George Square Yes rally doing Nazi salutes. Jim Sillars and Alex Salmond receiving death threats. A pregnant Yes campaigner kicked in the stomach by a no voter on Sauchiehall street. UK government has done its bit of intimidation too.
There are a good few examples on both sides, still very much a tiny proportion considering the level of participation and the length of the campaign - but of course it's easy enough to pick and choose incidents to reinforce your obvious preconceived notion of the idiot yes voting yob.
There are a good few examples on both sides, still very much a tiny proportion considering the level of participation and the length of the campaign - but of course it's easy enough to pick and choose incidents to reinforce your obvious preconceived notion of the idiot yes voting yob.
And I'm sure if you looked you'd find similar complains about the actions of the No campaign. In an emotive topic like this, there's always a fair number of feckwits on either side. You really think Cameron et al haven't been pulling some strings and applying pressure behind-the-scenes?
Apparently the only newspaper supporting Independence is the Sunday Herald so it's no surprise that we're hearing so many stories of Yes voters committing acts of violence but nothing about No voters.
Is anyone surprised by the violence? It's 11.46 in the morning. Most Scottish people are drunk by now.
I wonder if, in say 5 years time, we will all wonder what the big fuss was about whoever wins ?
Some folk have been unable to see anything but their one side of this thing. You have to ignore the irrational hate for campaigners coming from both sides and look for peaceful dialogue because it's out there in abundance
You dismissed the violence/intimidation as hysterical nonsense and I simply asked if it was not true. You're still saying it is nonsense yet are happy to point out the same kind of actions being carried out by the NO voters. Is that hysterical nonsense too? I condemn all violence and intimidation and I'm not sure where I called the YES voters idiots.
I'll be glad when the shit is over and we can get on with the rest of our lives without our TV's being taken over by it. Whether it's a YES or a NO vote my world will keep turning and to be honest with you I'm starting to hope for a YES.
And therein lies the problem, its all about yes v no and everybody is manipulating the truth to suit their agenda. People are being misled on a subject as important as it comes and then proceeding to attack the other side for doing just that when called on it. Nobody cares about the actual issues as long as they get their way least of all salmond. What a magnificent first step for a newly independent country.
Point is its a tiny proportion. And backtrack all you want like that last post wasn't ridiculously biased
Who's she talking about ?
Who's doing the intimidation ?
Absolutely no idea. But I am sure it wasn't an Englishman. Brutes those Scots. We should throw them out of the Union.
Enjoy the last day of dancing around monkeys.
Back in your cages tomorrow:-
Back in your cages tomorrow:-
Point is its a tiny proportion. And backtrack all you want like that last post wasn't ridiculously biased
Tiny proportion or not it is not nonsense is it?
Not backtracking from anything. The Scotland vote has feck all to do with me and while I've been amused at some people going blindly into what is likely to still not give them the independence they crave I will be glad when it's all over.
Always a better party when Dans turns up.
Nicked from another forum(I know the shame)
Must be a very strange experience for the Scots right now.
Must be a very strange experience for the Scots right now.
Just a wee coincidence that all the examples you gave suggested one side was violent and intimidating the other, I see.
Of course there are many flaws and a few angry people and some who are less informed that they should be but that's democracy. But I'd say a passionate nationwide debate with 97% of adults registered to vote for or against the formation of a country in an entirely democratic revolution is a pretty fecking magnificent first step to it, yeah.
Doesn't matter which side it comes from and I wasn't suggesting anything. The incidents happened so there was violence and intimidation. You dismissed is as nonsense.
That's nonsense. Move on. Yeah
How many people get punched in Edinburgh and Glasgow every day?