Alex Salmond and Independence

A friend of mine who lives in Scotland has been posting updates one his Facebook feed. Are you telling me he's just making them up...?
Your "friend" knows f*ck all about f*ck all. You always get some prick trying for their 15 minutes of fame in this sort of situation.
 
Why not?

Thinking Scottish people could do a better job of running their own country* doesn't make him anti-British or anti-English. A lot of the English people talking about the vote seem to have no clue about the Scottish mindset in all this, it's ridiculous.

* Post transaction costs, a new currency/ currency arrangements etc.
saying he supports anybody who are playing england does though - not that we mind - I for one want Scotland to be independent and I know a lot of other people in England who feel similar
 
saying he supports anybody who are playing england does though - not that we mind - I for one want Scotland to be independent and I know a lot of other people in England who feel similar
That was a joke on an interview in a radio show. The hosts were mocking him/ Scotland for not qualifying for the World Cup.
 
If the "yes" vote wins, I hope we go up north to crush the rebellious Scots.

Enslave them and make them drill for our oil and service our nuclear subs!

Though in fairness I just want rid of them - they think they can do a better job - crack on and shut up - but mainly shut up as i cant understand half the stuff that they say anyway
 
saying he supports anybody who are playing england does though - not that we mind - I for one want Scotland to be independent and I know a lot of other people in England who feel similar
Are you sure? Andy seems to have upset you.
 
Heard a few stories on Andy Murray people wanting a picture/autograph etc, he's an arrogant prick who doesn't give anyone time or day outside the court and these are story's I've heard from Scottish people, so i don't know why anyone else bothers with him outside Scotland.

I've no idea what kind of person he is but I can understand him wanting to play tennis for his country rather than GB if there is a YES vote. This does open up another can of worms though... as Salmond will probably have to fund the training & support of all the current sportsmen/woman that currently play for GB and train south of the border.
 
Why not?

Thinking Scottish people could do a better job of running their own country* doesn't make him anti-British or anti-English. A lot of the English people talking about the vote seem to have no clue about the Scottish mindset in all this, it's ridiculous.

* Post transaction costs, a new currency/ currency arrangements etc.
It was a joke, get over it.
 
A friend of mine who lives in Scotland has been posting updates one his Facebook feed. Are you telling me he's just making them up...?
We've been hearing this sort of rubbish for months now. It's cut from the same cloth as those who say it's going to be 80/20 one way because "most of my mates are voting x" or "I did an online poll of 5 people and these were the results" - the kind of guff that's been littering Facebook over the last few weeks.
 
We've been hearing this sort of rubbish for months now. It's cut from the same cloth as those who say it's going to be 80/20 one way because "most of my mates are voting x" or "I did an online poll of 5 people and these were the results" - the kind of guff that's been littering Facebook over the last few weeks.
What are you voting mate?
 
:lol: Bit rich coming from someone that has ignore every request to point out the positives and simply ignores the more difficult questions asked of you.

Ignored every request to point out positives? Not true.

Ignored more difficult questions? I can't answer questions about currency, can I? Who knows how that'll play out considering there'd still be 2 years of negotiations before we became independent.
 
Ignored every request to point out positives? Not true.

Ignored more difficult questions? I can't answer questions about currency, can I? Who knows how that'll play out considering there'd still be 2 years of negotiations before we became independent.

Usually the people that promise you that it won't be a problem. With a logical and sensible reason as to why that's the case, therefore securing your vote. Or a vague maybe possible scenario, therefore securing your vote. I prefer the former though.
 
saying he supports anybody who are playing england does though - not that we mind - I for one want Scotland to be independent and I know a lot of other people in England who feel similar

IIRC, his comment about "anyone but England" was in retaliation to a smart ass jibe from someone interviewing him about how Scotland would get on at the WC (we obviously weren't there).

I genuinely don't think he hates England or English people. Doesn't he live in London?
 
IIRC, his comment about "anyone but England" was in retaliation to a smart ass jibe from someone interviewing him about how Scotland would get on at the WC (we obviously weren't there).

I genuinely don't think he hates England or English people. Doesn't he live in London?
Yup.

He lives in Sussex, with his English girlfriend. The anti-English twat.
 
I'm looking out of my window as I type as the polling station is directly over the lane from my house.

I only live in a small village and I know pretty much everyone that are stood their now campaigning for both Yes and No.

People have a habit of handing their polling card to either Yes or No on their way out - kind of 'there you go mate, job done.

Most are handing them to the Yes.

The Yes have a mountain of boxes and are giving T shirts to everybody - especially the kids.

For what it's worth I voted No and of all the people I know I'd say it's a fairly equal split.

I think Yes will get it though.
 
It's amazing how wanting independence for your own country makes you anti-British. If that was the case, a large portion of the world would be anti-British considering the numbers of countries they (or we right now) used to control.
 
A friend of mine who lives in Scotland has been posting updates one his Facebook feed. Are you telling me he's just making them up...?

Nope, I asked you were you were getting your info from. And to be honest going from 'I've heard...' to 'a friend of mine posting on Facebook' isn't all that impressive in terms of sounding like you have a reliable source of information.

As has been mentioned here many times, there are no exit polls and here is The Guardian bemoaning the lack of information available due to the said lack of exit polls:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/scottish-vote-no-exit-poll-democratic-deficit

But who knows, maybe your mate and his facebook feed have plenty of info that the mass press can't get there hands on.

I have my own anecdotal poll information by the way - earlier this week a very shouty angry yes voting friend of mine told me 'you know nothing you English prick, the real figures are 70/30% in favour of Yes'. He said that because I asked him how he felt about this vote causing a 50/50 split in his country when he insisted on telling me he was speaking for the scottish people.

So forgive me if I don't trust the man on the street and his Facebook feed.
 
Usually the people that promise you that it won't be a problem. With a logical and sensible reason as to why that's the case, therefore securing your vote. Or a vague maybe possible scenario, therefore securing your vote. I prefer the former though.

Me too but it takes all sorts.

He seems to STILL not understand the only options open to Salmond.
 
I guess the one positive we could take down here from Scotland leaving the Union is that one of the potential new flag designs is a Union Jack in Man United colours:

Alternative-designs-proposed-for-the-union-jack-flag-without-Scotland-_dezeen_8.jpg


swaping the blue of the flag of St Andrew for the black of the flag of St David.

Looks pretty smart too.
 
I guess the one positive we could take down here from Scotland leaving the Union is that one of the potential new flag designs is a Union Jack in Man United colours:

Alternative-designs-proposed-for-the-union-jack-flag-without-Scotland-_dezeen_8.jpg


swaping the blue of the flag of St Andrew for the black of the flag of St David.

Looks pretty smart too.

This would be a great opportunity for you guys to throw a dragon in there too. Can't forget about that.
 
because there are no exit polls (apart from some guys on Facebook), the news channels are going to have to fill an awful lot of time this evening once the counting starts. I've heard that the BBC are bringing an old analyst out of retirement:



That guy can sort out any A or B question.
 
Nope, I asked you were you were getting your info from. And to be honest going from 'I've heard...' to 'a friend of mine posting on Facebook' isn't all that impressive in terms of sounding like you have a reliable source of information.

As has been mentioned here many times, there are no exit polls and here is The Guardian bemoaning the lack of information available due to the said lack of exit polls:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/scottish-vote-no-exit-poll-democratic-deficit

But who knows, maybe your mate and his facebook feed have plenty of info that the mass press can't get there hands on.

I have my own anecdotal poll information by the way - earlier this week a very shouty angry yes voting friend of mine told me 'you know nothing you English prick, the real figures are 70/30% in favour of Yes'. He said that because I asked him how he felt about this vote causing a 50/50 split in his country when he insisted on telling me he was speaking for the scottish people.

So forgive me if I don't trust the man on the street and his Facebook feed.
Exactly. Polling companies - yes, companies - make money out of accurate polls. If anyone on the street could do an accurate poll, companies like YouGov wouldn't exist.

The actual mathematics behind accurate surveys and polls is surprisingly-complex. A well-designed survey of a couple of thousand can accurately represent the entire population of China in some cases... But the process of getting to that well-designed survey in the first place requires lots of thought, planning and mathematics.
 
What if you lived in Scotland for 10, 15, 20 years but were born in England or elsewhere?

If you live in Scotland you can vote, my brother still lives in Scotland with his family and the rest are either back in Manchester the North West or in my case Germany and he has a vote.

A mate who is a scot but lives and works in France is a little peeved as he doesnt have a vote but Students and the like there for a couple of years do.
 
What if you lived in Scotland for 10, 15, 20 years but were born in England or elsewhere?
Fair enough if you have been residing in the country for 10+ years, but how can they justify letting non Scots who only been in the country for 2,3 years vote.
I know plenty of Eastern Europeans who will go back to their country of birth once they have made enough money, should they have a say in such a massive issue?
 
Fair enough if you have been residing in the country for 10+ years, but how can they justify letting non Scots who only been in the country for 2,3 years vote.
I know plenty of Eastern Europeans who will go back to their country of birth once they have made enough money, should they have a say in such a massive issue?

No they shouldnt as I mentioned above a mate now lives and works in France has no say but some student or worker who is there for a short time does for me that is Salmond stacking the cards in his favour and shows what idiots Westminster are for letting him.
 
On a lighter note

Big tent now up between my house and the village hall (polling station)

Music, pig on a spit and and beers.

We all know each other and pretty much know each others political views but it's great to see that regardless of the yes/no thing - our village are putting something on to bring the village together.
 
With the turnout so high, expecting a YES vote, sort of reconciled to some impact to the UK economy.