Russia Discussion

Exactly. Look at the former Soviet states that are a part of the EU. The level of corruption is no where near that in Russia or other Russia-aligned states.

I think Putin fears some kind of domino effect. Poland succeeds economically, Ukrainians start to want the same. Ukraine does well, Belarus is next and then Russia. I know it sounds paranoid but I think that he sees the 'Western way' as a different way of life that's spreading into his sphere of influence and threatening his control. All this started back when Yanukovych rejected an EU association agreement in favour of closer ties with Russia.

The last thing he wants is for the Russia-aligned states to see Ukraine succeed after years of corruption because of European integration and aligning itself with the west.
 
I think Putin fears some kind of domino effect. Poland succeeds economically, Ukrainians start to want the same. Ukraine does well, Belarus is next and then Russia. I know it sounds paranoid but I think that he sees the 'Western way' as a different way of life that's spreading into his sphere of influence and threatening his control. All this started back when Yanukovych rejected an EU association agreement in favour of closer ties with Russia.

The last thing he wants is for the Russia-aligned states to see Ukraine succeed after years of corruption because of European integration and aligning itself with the west.

Sadly I don’t think that Putin is motivations are that “rational”. The Ukraine is country-miles away from turning into an economic success. These things might be part of his equation but Putin doesn’t really act like the “classic tin-pot dictator”, who sole wants to consolidate his power.

I think Putin – and big parts of the conservative Russian elite – actually believe in some fairly nasty, state centered form of “Russian Exceptionalism”. The state with the duty to restore former glory. I don’t want to go over the top here, but many justifications/explanations/statements from Russian politicians are simply fascistic. You have nationalism, anti-liberalism, a state-driven economy, political mobilization, an element of palingenesis, the idealization of the leadership, para-militaristic groups, expansionist foreign policy. etc.pp

Again, I don´t want to exaggerate, but there is a distinct tendency towards such policies.
 
I think Putin fears some kind of domino effect. Poland succeeds economically, Ukrainians start to want the same. Ukraine does well, Belarus is next and then Russia. I know it sounds paranoid but I think that he sees the 'Western way' as a different way of life that's spreading into his sphere of influence and threatening his control. All this started back when Yanukovych rejected an EU association agreement in favour of closer ties with Russia.

The last thing he wants is for the Russia-aligned states to see Ukraine succeed after years of corruption because of European integration and aligning itself with the west.

Precisely right. States around him that do well in terms of democratizing and improving the quality of life for their citizens represent an existential threat to his mafia style of governance. This is proven by his pressure on Ukraine. The more Ukrainians have drifted towards Europe, the more he has agitated and disrupted their economy, first by using gas as a weapon, now by a full on invasion and theft of Ukrainian land. A bit like an abusive husband who threatens his wife after she tells him its over.
 
Sadly I don’t think that Putin is motivations are that “rational”. The Ukraine is country-miles away from turning into an economic success. These things might be part of his equation but Putin doesn’t really act like the “classic tin-pot dictator”, who sole wants to consolidate his power.

I think Putin – and big parts of the conservative Russian elite – actually believe in some fairly nasty, state centered form of “Russian Exceptionalism”. The state with the duty to restore former glory. I don’t want to go over the top here, but many justifications/explanations/statements from Russian politicians are simply fascistic. You have nationalism, anti-liberalism, a state-driven economy, political mobilization, an element of palingenesis, the idealization of the leadership, para-militaristic groups, expansionist foreign policy. etc.pp

Again, I don´t want to exaggerate, but there is a distinct tendency towards such policies.

A lot of crazy nationalism has been drummed up by a massive propaganda campaign, which was easy since the state controls most media. Its then used to flog an orgy of lies such as the Fascists are coming, Kiev Junta etc.

Perhaps you've heard of Pavel Durov, who founded VK, Russia's Facebook clone social media. Its the biggest Russian social network and was taken over by a Kremlin loyalist/Putin crony after FSB agents stormed Durov's house with automatic weapons because he refused to take down pages that protested Good article about it here. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...-how-the-kremlin-took-his-company-away-2015-5

So now Putin controls much of Russian language social media and can use it as a platform to further whip up lies and nationalism against Ukraine and the West.
 
Ukrainian separatist warlord assassinated by land-mine

Separatists claim Alexei Mozgovoy was killed by Ukraine government commandos but he had rowed with other rebel leaders

24 May 2015


A prominent separatist commander has been assassinated in mysterious circumstances in eastern Ukraine, raising fears of in-fighting among pro-Russian rebels.

Alexei Mozgovoy, the commander of a unit called the Prizrak or Ghost Brigade, was killed on Saturday night as he drove through a secure rebel-held area several miles from the front line.

Rebel officials said the killers had exploded a mine near his Toyota 4x4 before opening fire from at least three machine guns, killing him along with his press secretary, two guards, and the driver.

In a statement carried by Life News, a Russian tabloid close to Moscow’s security services, surviving Prirzrak Brigade leaders blamed the attack on Ukrainian commandos, and called on supporters “not to spread crazy rumours on social networks or in the media.”

“The main [line of enquiry] is that this was an attack by enemy saboteurs. If anyone saw anything please come to the LNR, the DNR, or us at the Brigade,” a commander said.

An attack by Ukrainian government forces would also be a breach of the country's theoretical ceasefire.

Other separatists also scrambled to avert talk of a rift after the killing, with Mr Plotnitsky describing the killing as "an attack on all defenders of the LNR."

"I mourn with all who knew Alexei Mozgovoy, walked with him shoulder-to-shoulder," he said in comments carried by Russian agencies.

One Ukrainian field commander, Alexander Gladky, head of a unit that calls itself the "Shadows", also appeared to take responsibility for the killing, describing it in detail in Facebook posts with details implying his men had carried out of the attack.

However, there were contradictions in his accounts, and the killing follows months of tension between Mr Mozgovoy and the central separatist leadership, sparking speculation that he was the victim of an inside quarrel.

Unconfirmed reports on Sunday suggested Prizrak Brigade had been disarmed by other separatists following the murder.

Mr Mozgovoy, 40, seized control of the town of Alchevsk, 25 miles west of Luhansk, after a separatist uprising broke out in eastern Ukraine in the spring of 2014.

He ran the town largely independently of the central separatist leadership and was reputed to have particularly strained relations with Igor Plotnitsky, the head of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic, or LNR, to which Prizrak Brigade is nominally loyal.

He was also an outspoken critic of the central separatist leadership and openly criticised the Minsk Peace agreements, which he described as doomed to fail.

He had survived several previous assassination attempts, and in recent interviews said he was “ready” for more.

He sustained light injuries in the last assassination attempt in March, when bombs exploded near his motorcade as he returned from a meeting with Mr Plotnitsky.

One of the most outspoken of the maverick warlords who have emerged in eastern Ukraine, he gained notoriety in October last year when he presided over a “people’s court” that sentenced two alleged rapists to death by a show of hands.

A video of the incident showed Mr Mozgovoy passing the death sentence after a town hall meeting that saw local civilians jeering and calling for the suspects to be shot.

He was also heard saying "Too many women go to restaurants. What kind of example do they show to their children? From now on, we will arrest all women we find in restaurants and cafes.”

Defenders of Mr Mozgovoy said the comments were clearly sarcastic.

In interviews, Mr Mozgovoy defended the “people’s court” by saying Ukrainian courts were so endemically corrupt justice could only be restored by building an entirely new criminal justice system.

It is not clear whether the death sentences were ever carried out.

Mr Mozgovoy is not the first separatist leader to be assassinated.

Alexander Bednov, the commander of the LNR’s so-called “Batman Battalion,” was killed in a similar ambush on January 1.

Other prominent separatists to survive assassination attempts include Pavel Gubarev, one of the founders of the Donetsk People’s Republic, and Denis Pushilin, who served as the Donetsk People’s Republic’s first prime minister and is currently one of the main separatist negotiators at Minsk peace talks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ratist-warlord-assassinated-by-land-mine.html
 

The 'LNR' sounds like paradise. Warlords, assassinations, 'people's courts', landmines and the leader of the Ghost Brigade presiding over the courts passing death sentences. Though I'm sure it's all Kiev's fault somehow.
 
The 'LNR' sounds like paradise. Warlords, assassinations, 'people's courts', landmines and the leader of the Ghost Brigade presiding over the courts passing death sentences. Though I'm sure it's all Kiev's fault somehow.

Given your username, I'd have thought you should enjoy such place. You're an embarrassment to all the GOT nerds.
 
The 'LNR' sounds like paradise. Warlords, assassinations, 'people's courts', landmines and the leader of the Ghost Brigade presiding over the courts passing death sentences. Though I'm sure it's all Kiev's fault somehow.

Not too different from "post-Fascist" Crimea then.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...res-all-russian-military-deaths-state-secrets

"How do we stop people reporting their sons killed fighting in Ukraine? I know, let's make it illegal to talk about!"

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Brilliant!
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...res-all-russian-military-deaths-state-secrets

"How do we stop people reporting their sons killed fighting in Ukraine? I know, let's make it illegal to talk about!"

Brilliant!

Disgusting stuff. Putin sends active duty Russian soldiers to fight in Ukraine and lies about it to his own people and foreign governments. Then when the troops get caught, their families get paid a visit by the FSB to coerce them into going on TV and say they weren't in the military when they went to Ukraine. What a nasty little dictatorship Russia has become under the small man.

http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-russian-fighters-caught-ukraine-cast-adrift-101124248.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-russian-fighters-caught-ukraine-cast-adrift-101124248.html
They said they serve in a unit of the main intelligence directorate of the Russian general staff, based in the city of Togliatti on the Volga River. The directorate, known by its Russian initials G.R.U., is one of the military's elite forces, usually used for highly sensitive operations.

According to Alexandrov, their unit of 200 men was sent into Ukraine on March 26. Before crossing the border, he said, they were instructed to surrender their dog tags and military identification. They were also told to swap their uniforms for mismatched camouflage fatigues to blend in with the separatist irregulars.
 
Bloodshed on the frontline exposes hollowness of Ukraine peace deal

By Tom Parfitt, Shyrokyne
30 May 2015



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Smoke rises in Shyrokyne: daily clashes make a mockery of Minsk ceasefire agreement signed in February

If Russian-backed rebels launch a new offensive in eastern Ukraine, the shell-damaged hulk of the Mayak holiday camp will be a prized objective.

Found on a hilltop beside the Sea of Azov, this sorry carcass of a building - now a frontline position for Ukrainian troops - could dictate how Europe’s war unfolds.

Below lies the village of Shyrokyne, most of which is controlled by pro-Russian rebels. If they advance and capture Mayak, the Moscow-backed forces would seize a field of fire allowing them to strike towards the port city of Mariupol, 12 miles to the west.

And Mariupol - an industrial centre with 500,000 people - controls the overland route to Crimea, which Russia annexed last year.

As fierce exchanges of artillery and mortar fire grip Shyrokyne, there are rising fears of a new offensive towards Mariupol. The daily clashes here make a mockery of the ceasefire agreement signed in Minsk in February.

“Shyrokyne is a strategic height,” said Yevgeny Adarenko, a Ukrainian military spokesman. “If we give it up completely there will be no point defending the settlements around it.”

The main building of the former holiday camp is held by fighters from the Donbas Battalion, a volunteer unit that was absorbed into Ukraine’s National Guard last year. Here, the war has settled into an artillery duel.

More than 100 shells or other projectiles exploded in Shyrokyne in the space of one hour last Sunday, according to observers from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

There are other flashpoints along the frontline between Ukrainian and pro-Russian forces, but Shyrokyne is by far the most dangerous. Since the Minsk agreement was signed, 25 Ukrainian servicemen have been killed in the village and at least 100 injured. The rebels also claim numerous casualties. All but a handful of the villagers have fled.

When the separatists attack, the Donbas fighters hide in a windowless ground-floor room of the old holiday camp, whose doorway is protected by sandbags.

Outside, concrete steps lead to a path where exploding shells have shredded trees and scooped waist-high craters out of the earth.

On the first floor of the camp building, shells have ripped holes through the roof and walls, creating a warren of rubble.

During the Telegraph’s visit, the Donbas men climbed to the roof to fire half a dozen rockets at rebel positions, using an SPG-9 anti-tank gun. Mortars were also fired from behind the Ukrainian lines.

Major Sergei Filippov, deputy commander of the Donbas Battalion, admitted that his men were breaking the ceasefire. He said they were responding with small-calibre weapons after repeated separatist attacks with heavy artillery.

“This is the crater of a 152mm shell, fired by a howitzer, which is forbidden under the Minsk peace agreement,” said Major Filippov, pointing towards a hole some three feet deep and five wide. “They fire these shells at us so often that it would be impossible to keep count.”

He added: “When there are repeated attacks by the separatists, we ask permission to respond from our command, but often the answer is so slow it’s useless as a means of defence. After one of my boys got killed this week I gave the order to fire anyway.”

In that attack, a shell fired by self-propelled artillery hit a Ukrainian trench next to Mayak, killing a 27-year-old fighter from Odessa.

“My friend died, that’s why we’re firing back,” said Viktor Pylypenko, 28, who mans the anti-tank gun. “His name was Spasatel (Lifesaver). A 152mm shell hit the dugout where he was, over there. Both his legs and one arm were torn apart. We tried to get him to help but we came under machine gun fire. In the end it was too late.”

It was not hard to imagine a separatist fighter on the other side of the line giving the same reason for breaking the ceasefire.

International monitors have observed a partial withdrawal of forces from other stretches of the “line of control” between Ukraine’s troops and the rebels. But at Shyrokyne, the two enemies blast each-other across a 600-yard expanse of ruined village.

Under the Minsk accord, heavy artillery should have been withdrawn at least 15 miles away from the frontline on both sides. Smaller arms are allowed in the area, but no weapon should be fired.

Russia is massing more troops and heavy weaponry close to Ukraine - and Kiev believes its neighbour is preparing a new assault across the border. During earlier incursions, Russian soldiers helped the rebel advance.

The Donbas men believe their opponents are regular Russian soldiers as well as rebels, using weapons supplied by the Kremlin. To the north-east, Ukrainian units captured two Russian special forces officers on May 16. They are now awaiting trial on terrorism charges in Kiev.

In Shyrokyne, Mr Pylypenko and his comrades said they were trying to fire rockets through a window to knock out an artillery spotter. Enemy fire can come at any moment. “There is no ceasefire,” said Mr Pylypenko simply.

Another fighter, who gave his name as Oleg, said: “We come under fire literally every day – from self-propelled artillery, tanks, mortars.”

Major Filippov, whose nom de guerre is Greyhair, is a former gas company executive and army veteran. He feels let down by Ukraine’s leadership and the governments of the West.

“The Minsk accords are the same as Neville Chamberlain’s Munich Agreement – a betrayal by the leadership of Europe,” he said. “Europe forced us to sign these accords which freeze the conflict and endorse Russia’s annexation of Ukrainian territory. Hitler went into the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia. Putin went into Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk.”

In the nearby village of Berdyanskye, just behind the frontline, there is a veneer of normality. Cuckoos call in the spring sunshine and people tend their gardens.

Yet the danger is ever present. Earlier in May, two shells ploughed into the garage of Petr and Anna Federchuk, killing their dog and narrowly missing their two cows.

The couple were inside their house a few yards away at the time. This was not the first occasion when they had escaped death. Back in 1986, they fled their home near the Chernobyl power plant in northern Ukraine when Reactor Four exploded.

“We’re too old to move and start over all again,” said Mr Federchuk, 60. “I built this place with my own hands. And I can’t leave the cows.”

Down the road in Mariupol, more than 30 civilians were killed when volleys of Grad rockets – apparently fired by the rebels – crashed into a residential neighbourhood in January.

The threat of a Russian-backed offensive has caused many people to leave the city. “Business is way down,” said Olga Babina, 56, who was selling light fittings in a market. “It’s very frightening. At night I look out of my window and see the shells falling on Shyrokyne – first the flash of light, then the bang. We are waiting for peace, but it never comes.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...exposes-hollowness-of-Ukraine-peace-deal.html
 
The Minsk deal is just a temporary ceasefire for Putin to consolidate what he has in Donbass, before launching another push for more land across southern Ukraine. He's probably calculating that the US is more interested in stopping ISIS at the moment.
 
Can someone explain why Mikheil Saakashvili is now governor of Odessa?
 
Can someone explain why Mikheil Saakashvili is now governor of Odessa?

Probably to bring in an outside technocrat who knows what's he's doing and isn't beholden to the corrupt Oligarchical/Patronage system that's endemic in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine.
 
Probably to bring in an outside technocrat who knows what's he's doing and isn't beholden to the corrupt Oligarchical/Patronage system that's endemic in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine.

Every area of Ukraine has Russian speakers, the country is basically bilingual. In fact, apart from western part of the country, most people are just as good at it and use Russian just as often. Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about.

Corruption levels have nothing to do with what language is spoken in one part of the country or the other.
 

Sloppy work from the Russians there. Although had they tried such misdirection a decade ago, there wouldn't have been as many sources of readily accessible satellite imagery in the public arena.

What was there logic for a Ukrainian jet having been responsible? The rebels weren't exactly making daily sorties with MiGs at the time.
 
Large-scale clashes broke out in eastern Ukraine and at least 18 people were reported killed as government forces engaged pro-Russian rebels in some of the most serious fighting for months on Wednesday.

The Ukrainian military said the separatists had launched an offensive involving a dozen tanks and up to 1,000 fighters west of Donetsk, the city which is the rebels’ stronghold. Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman, said that “massive shelling” of Ukrainian positions had started at 3am local time followed by a rebel advance.

The separatists denied an assault, saying that government troops had killed "about 15 people", both fighters and civilians, and injured scores of others by firing artillery.

A ceasefire was brokered between the two sides by France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine in February in Minsk, Belarus, but skirmishes and shelling have continued.

Wednesday’s hostilities appeared to be far more serious. Eduard Basurin, a rebel commander, admitted that clashes had taken place in Marinka, a town nine miles west of Donetsk, but said there was no major advance. He claimed that rebel forces had taken over territory that government forces had vacated. The headquarters of what Ukraine calls its “anti-terrorist operation” said meanwhile that government forces had repelled rebel attacks on their positions in the town.

There was also renewed shelling and mortar fire in Shyrokyne, a strategic village on the coast of the Sea of Azov that has become the focus of frequent artillery duels in recent weeks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ebels-of-launching-large-scale-offensive.html
 
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Yep. Of course, they're not on the offensive. The Ukrainians are just drawing them further into the west as an offensive strategy!
 
Yep. Of course, they're not on the offensive. The Ukrainians are just drawing them further into the west as an offensive strategy!

He will almost certainly continue pushing forward to agitate in more southern Ukrainian provinces. Russian agents have already begun planting bombs in Cafe's in Odessa.
 
He will almost certainly continue pushing forward to agitate in more southern Ukrainian provinces. Russian agents have already begun planting bombs in Cafe's in Odessa.

Yes, he'll push to Mauripol and then on to Odessa to try to take the entire Black Sea coast from Ukraine. Meanwhile, everyone else just watches.
 
He will almost certainly continue pushing forward to agitate in more southern Ukrainian provinces. Russian agents have already begun planting bombs in Cafe's in Odessa.

I'm curious as to why this is happening now. Apparently, the deadline for renewing the sanctions against Russia is coming up soon. If he had have kept his head down, the sanctions could have been dropped.
That said, they still might. Europe is too often ran by really weak politicians. That's why Putin has the confidence to do all of these things. Hopefully, they keep the pressure up rather than just let the issue drop as it's not in the news as much.
 
I'm curious as to why this is happening now. Apparently, the deadline for renewing the sanctions against Russia is coming up soon. If he had have kept his head down, the sanctions could have been dropped.
That said, they still might. Europe is too often ran by really weak politicians. That's why Putin has the confidence to do all of these things. Hopefully, they keep the pressure up rather than just let the issue drop as it's not in the news as much.

He probably thinks he can withstand a new round of sanctions. Of course that's until Russia gets booted from SWIFT, at which point they will implode within a matter of weeks.
 
I'm curious as to why this is happening now. Apparently, the deadline for renewing the sanctions against Russia is coming up soon. If he had have kept his head down, the sanctions could have been dropped.
That said, they still might. Europe is too often ran by really weak politicians. That's why Putin has the confidence to do all of these things. Hopefully, they keep the pressure up rather than just let the issue drop as it's not in the news as much.

While it wouldn't be surprising to see the sanctions dropped by the EU, it would be hugely problematic for the future of the organization's "foreign" policy. It doesn't help that many German politicians (particularly the SPD) are traditionally in bed with the Russians and willing to allow Russia whatever they want as long as they benefit economically. Hopefully Merkel can keep them in check.

Putin is attacking the integrity of the EU with the Greece debt crisis and likely pushing the Greeks to default in hopes that it destabilizes the EU. He's pushed parties in Hungary and France that are anti-EU in hopes of further fracturing it. The UK isn't helping matters either at the moment.
 
I'm curious as to why this is happening now. Apparently, the deadline for renewing the sanctions against Russia is coming up soon. If he had have kept his head down, the sanctions could have been dropped.
That said, they still might. Europe is too often ran by really weak politicians. That's why Putin has the confidence to do all of these things. Hopefully, they keep the pressure up rather than just let the issue drop as it's not in the news as much.

Yes, really. Why is it happening now, of all times, when the issue of renewing sanctions is coming up. The fact that it's absolutely not in Putin's interest to escalate the situation at that particular moment is somehow ignored. What can he possibly get out of this? Oh yes, I know it's because he's crazy and his actions are illogical.

In reality, both sides of the conflict have been constantly breaking the ceasefire while blaming each other for not respecting the agreement since day one. It doesn't take much for things to get worse and it's hard to determine which side is at fault, probably because they both are. One thing is certain, though: Russia and Putin will get the blame and the bad timing for the sanctions thing, well, that's just a 'coincidence'.

As ancient Romans used to say "Cui bono".
 
Yes, really. Why is it happening now, of all times, when the issue of renewing sanctions is coming up. The fact that it's absolutely not in Putin's interest to escalate the situation at that particular moment is somehow ignored. What can he possibly get out of this? Oh yes, I know it's because he's crazy and his actions are illogical.

In reality, both sides of the conflict have been constantly breaking the ceasefire while blaming each other for not respecting the agreement since day one. It doesn't take much for things to get worse and it's hard to determine which side is at fault, probably because they both are. One thing is certain, though: Russia and Putin will get the blame and the bad timing for the sanctions thing, well, that's just a 'coincidence'.

As ancient Romans used to say "Cui bono".

Having invaded the country and caused the whole mess, rightly so.
 
Russia has invaded Ukraine, annexed part of its territory, armed its rebels and put Russian boots on the ground to kill Ukrainian's on Ukrainian soil. There is no hiding from the fact that this is all on Russia now. Putin's decision to intervene militarily, its is slowly turning into a disaster for Russia too.
 
Russia has invaded Ukraine, annexed part of its territory, armed its rebels and put Russian boots on the ground to kill Ukrainian's on Ukrainian soil. There is no hiding from the fact that this is all on Russia now. Putin's decision to intervene militarily, its is slowly turning into a disaster for Russia too.
Russia influenced Ukrainian´s politics for a very long time. Most pro-Putin apologists completely ignore, that Russia bears responsibility for many of the internal failures of the Ukraine.