American Cops Doing What They Do Best

I just read an interesting comment that university cops aren't unionized which is probably the reason that justice appears swift in this case.
 
Stops for license plates are, at best, shitty stops. Those are the stops you make for "wall stops" , or if you needed something else to stop a possible drunk driver for.

Unfortunately, they're also used as a justification to stop a car you otherwise couldn't. Is it a reason to stop someone? Sure. If the law says you need two plates, and you don't, then it's a violation. However, I also know officers who said they wouldn't stop expensive cars without a front plate because they wouldn't expect them to mess up the paint job in the front that covers the area that the plate should be.

I've written that very few times, and even then only because I was cutting someone a break on a speeding ticket or something else, and they got a fix it ticket instead.

This officer should be made to be the example of a clear cut, open and shut murder case. Pisses me off that officers elsewhere could be killed or hurt in revenge from someone like this being out there.
 
JustAFan said:
Stops for one plate are also done just for revenue also? A quick ticket, can't really fight it, no real effect on insurance rates of the driver, so easy to collect on.
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They can be, I suppose. There's far better violations/tickets if you needed things for revenue purposes. Especially since the ticket can be signed off for free and only have a small processing fee through the court.
 
I had to go to court to prove I had insurance and still had to pay $30 court costs even though I had done nothing wrong. It's a fecking racket.
 
Grinner said:
I had to go to court to prove I had insurance and still had to pay $30 court costs even though I had done nothing wrong. It's a fecking racket.
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Well you need proof of insurance with you when driving. If you don't have it, then yeah, you need to go show proof and pay a dismissal fee. Usually if you can at least pull up a copy of your insurance on your phone, or even just write the carrier on a piece of paper, It can be taken as "proof" since we can't really dispute it.
 
It may have changed, but in England in that scenario you could just go to a police station and show your proof and that was that. No need to involve the courts at all.
 
Americano said:
I watched it too but it's not really clear to me what is happening at the critical moment. What are you seeing there? It's like the car door is being pulled back and forth and then everything goes crazy.
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Well maybe you should tell the prosecutor before it's too late and an innocent man gets convicted.
 
I was a UC Davis student at the time of the pepper spraying. It was a horrible overreaction to a minor incident but it was at the time of the Occupy movement and apart from then I don't recall seeing the campus police decked out in riot gear too often in all the years I was there. You didn't see them much besides occasionally cruising through the campus in their cars. I'm not a campus police apologist, because they were fussy as feck about smoking weed in the arboretum, but the pepper spray incident was perhaps not representative of what usually went on.
 
Gazza said:
I was a UC Davis student at the time of the pepper spraying. It was a horrible overreaction to a minor incident but it was at the time of the Occupy movement and apart from then I don't recall seeing the campus police decked out in riot gear too often in all the years I was there. You didn't see them much besides occasionally cruising through the campus in their cars. I'm not a campus police apologist, because they were fussy as feck about smoking weed in the arboretum, but the pepper spray incident was perhaps not representative of what usually went on.
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It's the fact that they have all that gear. Davis police took delivery of an MRAP last year but I think it was voted to make them hand it back. This is Davis, one of the quietest towns in CA.
 
Americano said:
I watched it too but it's not really clear to me what is happening at the critical moment. What are you seeing there? It's like the car door is being pulled back and forth and then everything goes crazy.
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You obviously don't see the bullet enter the forehead, but you do get to see how it escalates from 1 to 10 in a split second. You hear the gun shot, the guy is dead and you see the cop immediately making up bullshit excuses.
 
What is so haunting about the video is the fact that the man has no idea he is taking his last breaths. He has no idea that handing the cop that bottle of liquor is one of the last things he'll ever do and that his time on this earth would be over in the next 2 minutes.
 
Americano said:
I watched it too but it's not really clear to me what is happening at the critical moment. What are you seeing there? It's like the car door is being pulled back and forth and then everything goes crazy.
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Give the bloke a ring, because even his defence lawyer said there's likely to be an indictment. You could make yourself a nice little earner for being his defence. Even the chief of police said 'it's bad' for crying out loud.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Give the bloke a ring, because even his defence lawyer said there's likely to be an indictment. You could make yourself a nice little earner for being his defence. Even the chief of police said 'it's bad' for crying out loud.
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Maybe some screenshots or slow motion would help me understand what is happening - it's just too fast and blurry for me. I was hoping that others would tell me what they are seeing happen once the officer puts his hands inside the car.
 
Americano said:
Maybe some screenshots or slow motion would help me understand what is happening - it's just too fast and blurry for me. I was hoping that others would tell me what they are seeing happen once the officer puts his hands inside the car.
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That's his gun and he shoots the guy in the head. Pretty simple really
 
Grinner said:
I still don't understand why universities need their own police forces with guns and riot gear. That tool who pepper sprayed UC Davis students a couple of years ago was university police and he was in full riot gear. Some have APCs too, machine guns, the works.

This country is so fecked up.
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Probably for insurance and liability purposes. As well as enforcement of campus specific rules that regular coppers might not care about.
 
Dwazza von Moosesteiger said:
I suppose but it is America. Some campuses are the size of small cities.
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That makes sense. I still don't get why they have to be so heavily armed though. It's a cultural thing I guess, that as Brit I just won't be able to understand.

Grinner said:
They are normally really poorly trained. Fat-arses who can't be real cops with guns, and chips on their shoulders.
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So they're wannabee cops with real guns and chips on their shoulders? That sounds dangerous.
 
Grinner said:
They are normally really poorly trained. Fat-arses who can't be real cops with guns, and chips on their shoulders.
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Lizzi said:
That makes sense. I still don't get why they have to be so heavily armed though. It's a cultural thing I guess, that as Brit I just won't be able to understand.



So they're wannabee cops with real guns and chips on their shoulders? That sounds dangerous.
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They go through the same POST academies as all officers. They usually handle most of their own dispatch and calls. At least in California. Not to say they should all be cops...
 
Skizzo said:
They go through the same POST academies as all officers. They usually handle most of their own dispatch and calls. At least in California. Not to say they should all be cops...
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It varies for the local area colleges and Universities in my area. Some the campus cops are not armed beyond some senior officers who have tasers and pepper spray. A few have a small number off armed officers who supposedly get more training but the rest are unarmed. Some all campus police are armed. Don't think there have been any shootings by campus cops. Most of their job is handling on campus traffic enforcement and drunk students.
 
Grinner said:
It may have changed, but in England in that scenario you could just go to a police station and show your proof and that was that. No need to involve the courts at all.
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Pretty sure the Police here can just check a database which lists all vehicles insurance policies, if not the police can ring up and check too, its awfully sensible.
 
Skizzo said:
The police call the insurance company themselves?
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I think it's all on a database, and if it's not showing up they can ring through and double check, not with the insurance company but with the database where all insurance policies are shown. @TheReligion might be able to shed some light?
 
Yep, PNC (Police National Computer) shows whether your car is insured, taxed and (if necessary) MOT'd.

Many cars are now fitted with ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) which reads the plates of all cars it passes and will alert the officers to any car which isn't insured etc, if if there is a warrant on the car.
 
Rado_N said:
Yep, PNC (Police National Computer) shows whether your car is insured, taxed and (if necessary) MOT'd.

Many cars are now fitted with ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) which reads the plates of all cars it passes and will alert the officers to any car which isn't insured etc, if if there is a warrant on the car.
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That's a bit too nazi germany for me. You need to take that jackboot off your neck, buy guns and stand up for your rights.
 
Grinner said:
That's a bit too nazi germany for me. You need to take that jackboot off your neck, buy guns and stand up for your rights.
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Nah, I'd rather have the luxury of giving other drivers the wanker sign when they drive like a dick and not have to worry about getting shot.

With the added bonus of twats driving without insurance getting caught much easier.
 
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