Hazard, where does he rank among the best in the world

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Most people would agree that he had a fantastic year, to the point where he's compared now to ronaldo and messi.

Hazard has 19 Goals and 11 Assists in all competition starting 49 games, i think he's scored 5 penalties out of those 19 goals.

Bale who arguably had a frustrating year, has the same amount of goals and assists for real, in 49 games as well, without scoring any penalties i think. James Rodríguez has 17 goals and 16 assists in 43.

Sterling 13G and 9A in 52.

Muller 21G and 14A in 43.

Robben 19G and 9A in 27.

Pedro 16G and 9A in 25, almost half the games.

Sanchez 24G and 12A in 49 games.

De Bruyne 16G and 27A in 51 games.

I won't bother posting stats for ronaldo and messi, it's not even close, even neymar and suarez are ahead comfortably.

Stats obviously don't tell the whole story, but for attacking players goals and assists are their bread and butter, if your numbers are low, you aren't really having a good year.

It's frustrating that united don't have anyone on that list, yet. ;)

Hazard for me still has some way to go, right now i'd have him behind:

1-Messi
2-Ronaldo
3-Neymar
4-Suarez
5-Bale
6-De Bruyne
7-Sanchez
8-Muller
9-Robben
10-Hazard

Sterling isn't that far behind from hazard imo, if you take away the penalties then sterling is pretty close and james is even better.

Even in terms of performances if we ignore the stats, i think 9th or 10th is just about right for hazard.
 
I rate Alexis, Aguero, and De Gea all as better players than he in the Premier League, so I wouldn't have him near a top ten list. Nor Bale, for that matter.
 
Hazard is miles better than Sterling imo.
 
I'd say he's better than Sanchez but he definitely isn't in the top 5 for me.
 
Someone said:
Most people would agree that he had a fantastic year, to the point where he's compared now to ronaldo and messi.

Hazard has 19 Goals and 11 Assists in all competition starting 49 games, i think he's scored 5 penalties out of those 19 goals.

Bale who arguably had a frustrating year, has the same amount of goals and assists for real, in 49 games as well, without scoring any penalties i think. James Rodríguez has 17 goals and 16 assists in 43.

Sterling 13G and 9A in 52.

Muller 21G and 14A in 43.

Robben 19G and 9A in 27.

Pedro 16G and 9A in 25, almost half the games.

Sanchez 24G and 12A in 49 games.

De Bruyne 16G and 27A in 51 games.

I won't bother posting stats for ronaldo and messi, it's not even close, even neymar and suarez are ahead comfortably.

Stats obviously don't tell the whole story, but for attacking players goals and assists are their bread and butter, if your numbers are low, you aren't really having a good year.

It's frustrating that united don't have anyone on that list, yet. ;)

Hazard for me still has some way to go, right now i'd have him behind:

1-Messi
2-Ronaldo
3-Neymar
4-Suarez
5-Bale
6-De Bruyne
7-Sanchez
8-Muller
9-Robben
10-Hazard

Sterling isn't that far behind from hazard imo, if you take away the penalties then sterling is pretty close and james is even better.

Even in terms of performances if we ignore the stats, i think 9th or 10th is just about right for hazard.
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More to football than how many goals and assists per game.

To many stats are used to show a players impact.

Hazard is probably up there in the bracket behind Messi and Ronaldo with Suarez, Bale, Neymar and Phil Jones for me.
He is certainly better than Robben Muller Sanchez and De Bruyne.
 
Someone said:
Most people would agree that he had a fantastic year, to the point where he's compared now to ronaldo and messi.

Hazard has 19 Goals and 11 Assists in all competition starting 49 games, i think he's scored 5 penalties out of those 19 goals.

Bale who arguably had a frustrating year, has the same amount of goals and assists for real, in 49 games as well, without scoring any penalties i think. James Rodríguez has 17 goals and 16 assists in 43.

Sterling 13G and 9A in 52.

Muller 21G and 14A in 43.

Robben 19G and 9A in 27.

Pedro 16G and 9A in 25, almost half the games.

Sanchez 24G and 12A in 49 games.

De Bruyne 16G and 27A in 51 games.

I won't bother posting stats for ronaldo and messi, it's not even close, even neymar and suarez are ahead comfortably.

Stats obviously don't tell the whole story, but for attacking players goals and assists are their bread and butter, if your numbers are low, you aren't really having a good year.

It's frustrating that united don't have anyone on that list, yet. ;)

Hazard for me still has some way to go, right now i'd have him behind:

1-Messi
2-Ronaldo
3-Neymar
4-Suarez
5-Bale
6-De Bruyne
7-Sanchez
8-Muller
9-Robben
10-Hazard

Sterling isn't that far behind from hazard imo, if you take away the penalties then sterling is pretty close and james is even better.

Even in terms of performances if we ignore the stats, i think 9th or 10th is just about right for hazard.
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No Ibrahimovic? Robben worse then De Bruyne, Sanchez, Muller?!
 
SiRed said:
More to football than how many goals and assists per game.

To many stats are used to show a players impact.

Hazard is probably up there in the bracket behind Messi and Ronaldo with Suarez, Bale, Neymar and Phil Jones for me.
He is certainly better than Robben Muller Sanchez and De Bruyne.
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Not sure if trolling...
 
Mostly subjective (personal choice etc) but for me, above de Bruyne and Bale on your list.

Also Robben is way too low - though with his injury plagued season, it's understandable.
 
James is immense even without the goals. Hazard is top 10. Sterling has some way to go and shouldn't even be mentioned with the likes atm but he could get there.
 
Very good player, clearly, and probably on the cusp of breaking into the real elite. But he needs to start doing it in Europe to really gauge where he's at in line with the top players at Madrid, Bayern and Barcelona et al.

The Caf will wildly overrate him here, though. The collective hard on's for both Hazard and Aguero always baffle me.
 
His stats are not that great but he plays for a Mou Chelsea, he is a cracking player. Of course though he is nowhere near Messi/Ronaldo or even Robben.

When it comes to Bale then I'm not sure, put Hazard in RM and he will score and assist alot more than he does for Chelsea, hes also been a very good big match winner for Chelsea too last season, something Bale was not.
 
He's a better player than Bale, Sanchez, De Bruyne and Neymar for me. Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez and Robben all better.
 
Cassidy said:
When it comes to Bale then I'm not sure, put Hazard in RM and he will score and assist alot more than he does for Chelsea, hes also been a very good big match winner for Chelsea too last season, something Bale was not.
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But bale was actually better in the premier league than hazard, while playing for spurs as well.

The pressure at real madrid is immense, there's no knowing whether hazard would do better than bale there or not.
 
Well hes clearly above Sanchez and Aguero in terms of the PL. ( that doesnt mean hes a better striker than Aguero because he isnt a striker), but hes also clearly a level below the elite. Why is De Bruyne and Sterling anywhere near that list, they havent shown anything yet to be there so soon.
 
akash02 said:
He's a better player than Bale, Sanchez, De Bruyne and Neymar for me. Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez and Robben all better.
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Debatable IMO.
De Bruyne regularly outshines him at international level.
I don't see how one can say he is a better player than Neymar either.
Sanchez in his first season in the EPL was just as good as Hazard, and will likely have a better second season.
 
Someone said:
But bale was actually better in the premier league than hazard, while playing for spurs as well.

The pressure at real madrid is immense, there's no knowing whether hazard would do better than bale there or not.
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Yes but he was playing for Spurs and had zero defensive duties and Hazard is playing for Chelsea and has to do some dirty work.
Also sometimes Mou sets out his teams to win 1-0 or get 0-0 draws.
So looking at statistics soley is just not going to tell you enough, watch the two players, yes Bale was amazing in the EPL, but Hazard has been too.
 
No way can anyone claim Hazard hasn't done enough but then proceed to put De Bruyne several places above him after doing far less. PL is better than Bundesliga, and FFS the OP is counting De Bruyne's stats from the Europa League whereas Hazard and others were playing in the Champions League. Also stats are just stats. I assume De Bruyne is on corners whereas Hazard isn't so that inflates the stats already.
 
They are all attacking players so goals and assists are the most important factor but they're not the only factor. For instance Hazard was the most fouled player in the league last year, that probably resulted in a fair few free kick opportunities for Chelsea and a lot of cautious defenders picking up bookings and playing more conservatively. Just one example of a part of his game which won't neccesarily be recognised by a simple goal/assist comparison.

I'd put him somewhere around the Sanchez/De Bruyne area, behind Muller and Robben, ahead of Pedro and Sterling.
 
Who compares him to Messi and Ronaldo?

I'd have him somewhere between 6th and 10th.
 
Rowem said:
No way can anyone claim Hazard hasn't done enough but then proceed to put De Bruyne several places above him after doing far less.
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Qualify doing far less? Oh is it becuase he doesn't play in the EPL. De Bruyne regularly outshines Hazard when they play for Belgium.
I'm not saying he is better, but I don't think its clear case to say Hazard is better than De Bruyne.
 
I'd insert him between Bale and De Bruyne (who is incredibly overrated on this forum - considering he's only really had one brilliant season)
 
Where Robben and Ribery were a couple of seasons ago. Tier two, in my view.

Not in the class of Ronaldo, Messi or Suarez, yet.
 
If his goal output was better he would be right behind Messi and Ronaldo for me
But he's in that third tier. 2nd tier being Neymar / Suarez / Aguero / Pogba / Muller
That's no disgrace
 
In terms of his ability to change a game or of being the difference between Chelsea and teams of a similar level I would say he is just behind Ronaldo, Messi and Suarez.

Yes, he needs to be a bit more consistent, needs to play in a more attack oriented team and needs to shine at the international level to be considered an elite player.
 
Rowem said:
Yes, and Hazard has had three at Chelsea and one or two in France.

Honestly. De Bruyne 6th best player in the world. Jesus Christ.
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I can only do it based on last season, which is the right thing to do, if i go farther behind i'd have players like ribery and di maria there which wouldn't be fair.
 
3rd tier.

1st tier in the obvious duo.

2nd tier would be Neymar, Suarez, Muller, Reus, Aguero and Robben.

Must be forgetting someone obvious but point remains the same, 3rd tier of players.
 
I'd place Hazard around 8th to 10th place. I don't think there's much between him, Aguero and Sanchez for the best player in the prem. Hazard has the potential to be top 3 in the world, and I think there's more
improvement to come from him.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I'd insert him between Bale and De Bruyne (who is incredibly overrated on this forum - considering he's only really had one brilliant season)
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De Bruyne has a very good season on loan at Bremen, but hes obviously stalled because he was moving around on loan a bit.
I don't think De Bruyne is that overrated, because we have seen this quality already before. Of course last season was more of his breakout season, but its not like we haven't seen this coming, not really his fault Chelsea messed him about.

I would still have to rank Hazard about him, but I wouldn't be suprised if he ended up being the better player.
 
Cassidy said:
Qualify doing far less? Oh is it becuase he doesn't play in the EPL. De Bruyne regularly outshines Hazard when they play for Belgium.
I'm not saying he is better, but I don't think its clear case to say Hazard is better than De Bruyne.
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Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because Hazard has performed at a high standard for 3-5 years whereas De Bruyne has done so for 1, 1.5 at a stretch.

The OP includes De Bruyne's stats from the Europa League. Hazard and others on the list play in the Champions League. Oh, by the way, in case you didn't know, the Champions League is where the best teams in Europe play, the Europa League contains teams who finish lower in their domestic leagues and therefore the quality is lower. Oh, I just thought I would point that out because, Oh, it seemed to me you were being judgmental and condescending, so, Oh, I thought I would, Oh, do the same.

And yes, the PL is better than the Bundesliga too.

And also, stats.
 
He'd probably thrive more in a system where his team doesn't park the bus, he's a great player and young but I'm not feeling the hype Chelsea fans build around him. Having said that I'd still place him around 10th best in the world.
 
Someone said:
I can only do it based on last season, which is the right thing to do, if i go farther behind i'd have players like ribery and di maria there which wouldn't be fair.
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You might as well have just posted a thread that was "who had the best goals and assists to game ratio last season" if that's the only criteria you are using.
 
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