De Gea Contract Situation

[Everest Red]

Of course this is a possibility...

Dave is so selfish man. We don't need this shite at the moment. We need to be concentrating on making a good start to the season plus getting through our CL qualifier. Quite frankly, I wouldn't trust him to do the right thing if we play him. I know it sounds super suspicious but I don't trust him and his agent.

Is he the last Mendes player we have in our books? I'd be glad to see his back for this reason alone.

 

[K2K]

Maybe if we Keep playing Romero (assumed he is doing well) most of the time RM will lose interest in DdG. Maybe they won`t sign a keeper who spent most of the last season on the bench on high wages?

They wont..I think all the details between him and Madrid have all been finalized..stupid" United have just put a stop to that process"by not bending over....I think unlike the Rooney case, there is nowhere back to a contract renewal here..His gf would never agree to that..

 

[Jazz]

I think that LVG probably has Woody's permission to drop him...I honestly do not believe that De Gea made his decision not to sign this year..He made this decision long ago, especially as we have been offering the extension for almost two years now..I think we need a new stance, you sign a renewal if you have two years left on your contract or are sold/benched..We should learn from this.

We think the same. For sure he made his plans way before - that seems obvious to me or he wouldn't have refused all the lucrative offers we made to him to extend. And yes, we do need a new policy as you suggested for players with two years left on their contract. I believe Woodward will certainly put something in place.

 

[Jazz]

Is he the last Mendes player we have in our books? I'd be glad to see his back for this reason alone.

I think so. Though I think there may be some connection between Rojo's agent and Mendes. I will have to check this.

 

[Revan]

They wont..I think all the details between him and Madrid have all been finalized..stupid" United have just put a stop to that process"by not bending over....I think unlike the Rooney case, there is nowhere back to a contract renewal here..His gf would never agree to that..

The only way I can see it * happening is if we threaten De Gea to either sign or be in bench for the entire season.

* a contract renewal with a low buyout clause. By low, I mean nothing more than 20m. In fact, it probably won't be much difference considering the difference in wages from the current contract, but at least it would means that De Gea stays for an another season and Real won't get him for free.

 

[K2K]

We think the same. For sure he made his plans way before - that seems obvious to me or he wouldn't have refused all the lucrative offers we made to him to extend. And yes, we do need a new policy as you suggested for players with two years left on their contract. I believe Woodward will certainly put something in place.

Woody seems like a fast learner..and with this , and the ADM saga, he has learnt a lot..I hope that he also remembers that the common denominator in both cases is Mendes..but Yes, De gea has planned this..the fact that his gf refused to move here at all means that she was expecting him back at some point.

 

[Jazz]

The only way I can see it * happening is if we threaten De Gea to either sign or be in bench for the entire season.

* a contract renewal with a low buyout clause. By low, I mean nothing more than 20m. In fact, it probably won't be much difference considering the difference in wages from the current contract, but at least it would means that De Gea stays for an another season and Real won't get him for free.

This would have worked had we done it around a year or year and half ago. Might still work but unfortunately he'd become resentful, and that's not good to have someone like that around the team. Plus no doubt all his Spanish mates would take his side and you might have a divided dressing room. Hence why I think we should have done the threatening a while back - I would have.

It's a mess when we have such an important season. Really selfish by Dave, to do this to the club and to the teamates that think so highly of him...

 

[K2K]

The only way I can see it * happening is if we threaten De Gea to either sign or be in bench for the entire season.

* a contract renewal with a low buyout clause. By low, I mean nothing more than 20m. In fact, it probably won't be much difference considering the difference in wages from the current contract, but at least it would means that De Gea stays for an another season and Real won't get him for free.

I think that if Romero plays well, DDG could find himself benched either way...but your option is better, at least we get something, but I'd sell De Gea either way at the end of the season, we need to cut ties with Mendez or reduce them at least..

 

[Someone]

De gea must be scared shirtless by the prospect of spending a year on the bench, a year is a long long time in football.

Without regular football de gea will not be the same player next season, a good season from navas could potentially harm de gea's current guaranteed starting role for real.

Personally, i don't want de gea in goal again until he commits his future to the club.

 

[Jazz]

Woody seems like a fast learner..and with this , and the ADM saga, he has learnt a lot..I hope that he also remembers that the common denominator in both cases is Mendes..but Yes, De gea has planned this..the fact that his gf refused to move here at all means that she was expecting him back at some point.

Oh I'm sure Woodward realises just what Mendes is. He'll be prepared next time for sure.

 

[Revan]

This would have worked had we done it around a year or year and half ago. Might still work but unfortunately he'd become resentful, and that's not good to have someone like that around the team. Plus no doubt all his Spanish mates would take his side and you might have a divided dressing room. Hence why I think we should have done the threatening a while back - I would have.

It's a mess when we have such an important season. Really selfish by Dave, to do this to the club and to the teamates that think so highly of him...

We couldn't do the threatening last season. I mean we could have done it, but then very likely we would have finished outside of top 4. On many matches, De Gea kept us at play single handed.

This season we are in a better position defensively with the additions of Darmian and Schneiderlin, while Shaw and Smalling are continuing improving, so we can afford to bench De Gea.

If 'bench him' comes from Woodward, then his Spanish mates can do feck all. After all, it won't be the manager's fault to create a divided dressing room. And I think that they like themselves more than De Gea. It's not like Barca and Bayern are waiting for them if they become unwanted here.

 

[Revan]

I think that if Romero plays well, DDG could find himself benched either way...but your option is better, at least we get something, but I'd sell De Gea either way at the end of the season, we need to cut ties with Mendez or reduce them at least..

Romero won't ever be near as good as De Gea. De Gea won't continue being benched for footballing reasons.

 

[K2K]

This would have worked had we done it around a year or year and half ago. Might still work but unfortunately he'd become resentful, and that's not good to have someone like that around the team. Plus no doubt all his Spanish mates would take his side and you might have a divided dressing room. Hence why I think we should have done the threatening a while back - I would have.

It's a mess when we have such an important season. Really selfish by Dave, to do this to the club and to the teamates that think so highly of him...

I just cant see Herrera or Mata being those kind of guys..Can you? Maybe Valdes, but hes gone..Valencia doesnt seem like a troublemaker either

 

[Rich_H_1989]

Why is DDG getting such a hard time here? I can completely understand and sympathise with his situation.

He's Spanish born and bred. He was raised in Madrid and now they want him to be the first team GK. He's got to be torn.

Plus has he actually come out and said he wants out? That he doesn't want to be at the club anymore? Not from what I've read! He's a young man who has had his head turned by another European super club.

From what I've read it was LVG and the coaching staff that decided to pull him out. They didn't feel right now he was mentally ready. He's still at training and he's still not come out and refused to play.

There's still a chance he will play again. Maybe we will cup tie him? That may put Real off... Or it'll just lower his price more.

Real need to be taught though that they can't bully teams and get away with it. So I think the club should stand firm! I'm sure DDG will focus once the window closes and if not then it'll send a message through the club that if you aren't professional you don't play.

 

[K2K]

Romero won't ever be near as good as De Gea. De Gea won't continue being benched for footballing reasons.

I was just thinking him decent..Like Fabian Barthez decent..less the bloopers..not world class or anything..with mike and a new cb, our defense could actually allow for that..

 

[Jazz]

I just cant see Herrera or Mata being those kind of guys..Can you? Maybe Valdes, but hes gone..Valencia doesnt seem like a troublemaker either

I think Mata would be very professional. But Herrera is an emotional guy - I don't think he can hide his feelings well.

 

[K2K]

I think Mata would be very professional. But Herrera is an emotional guy - I don't think he can hide his feelings well.

As long as they are both playing, I think they would be proffesional here..I dont think Herrera is as close to De Gea as Mata is ..I think Mata is more of the link there..

 

[Jazz]

Why is DDG getting such a hard time here? I can completely understand and sympathise with his situation.

He's Spanish born and bred. He was raised in Madrid and now they want him to be the first team GK. He's got to be torn.

Plus has he actually come out and said he wants out? That he doesn't want to be at the club anymore? Not from what I've read! He's a young man who has had his head turned by another European super club.

From what I've read it was LVG and the coaching staff that decided to pull him out. They didn't feel right now he was mentally ready. He's still at training and he's still not come out and refused to play.

There's still a chance he will play again. Maybe we will cup tie him? That may put Real off... Or it'll just lower his price more.

Real need to be taught though that they can't bully teams and get away with it. So I think the club should stand firm! I'm sure DDG will focus once the window closes and if not then it'll send a message through the club that if you aren't professional you don't play.

DDG is not getting a hard time. What we're commenting on are facts. He doesn't have to say he doesn't want to leave - the fact he hasn't signed an extension tells you all you need to know of what he wants. No one has a problem with him wanting to go back to Madrid or playing for Real - the problem is letting his contract run down to the point that it's put the club in an awkward position. Not only that, he strung the club along and didn't make his true intentions clear. It's the way he's gone about it that is shit - not the fact that he wants to go home and play for Madrid.

 

[Jazz]

We couldn't do the threatening last season. I mean we could have done it, but then very likely we would have finished outside of top 4. On many matches, De Gea kept us at play single handed.

This season we are in a better position defensively with the additions of Darmian and Schneiderlin, while Shaw and Smalling are continuing improving, so we can afford to bench De Gea.

If 'bench him' comes from Woodward, then his Spanish mates can do feck all. After all, it won't be the manager's fault to create a divided dressing room. And I think that they like themselves more than De Gea. It's not like Barca and Bayern are waiting for them if they become unwanted here.

Yep, didn't think of that....

 

[Rich_H_1989]

DDG is not getting a hard time. What we're commenting on are facts. He doesn't have to say he doesn't want to leave - the fact he hasn't signed an extension tells you all you need to know of what he wants. No one has a problem with him wanting to go back to Madrid or playing for Real - the problem is letting his contract run down to the point that it's put the club in an awkward position. Not only that, he strung the club along and didn't make his true intentions clear. It's the way he's gone about it that is shit - not the fact that he wants to go home and play for Madrid.

Don't agree... If he wanted to leave then he did it the way he felt was sure to get a transfer. Signing a new deal puts his price right up and maybe Real then don't go for him. The club knew when his contract expires so they shouldn't have let it run down so much.

 

[Jazz]

As long as they are both playing, I think they would be proffesional here..I dont think Herrera is as close to De Gea as Mata is ..I think Mata is more of the link there..

Ok I hope they would be. I just get the feeling Mata is more adept at hiding his feelings, whereas Ander is more emotional.

 

[Jazz]

Don't agree... If he wanted to leave then he did it the way he felt was sure to get a transfer. Signing a new deal puts his price right up and maybe Real then don't go for him. The club knew when his contract expires so they shouldn't have let it run down so much.

The club did not allow his contract to expire. It's almost 2 years they've been trying to get him to sign. Please stop blaming the club for this.
Of course Real made him think they wouldn't go for him if he signed the extension. They used the advantage to pressure him to not sign so they could get him for peanuts. That's what De Gea and his agent did that was so wrong - they went behind the club's back and spoke to Madrid before they let the club know anything. If he had some sort of loyalty or decency he would have not spoken to Madrid first. He would have come to us and explained for personal reasons he wanted to return and could we allow him to do so if he signs the extension and then negotiate a reasonable release clause. Thereby, both parties would be satisfied at the end of the day.

Madrid would then not have the ammunition that they now have to use against us. And Dave and his agent did this to the club. Do you think that's right? It's not De Gea United - it's Manchester United.

 

[K2K]

Ok I hope they would be. I just get the feeling Mata is more adept at hiding his feelings, whereas Ander is more emotional.

I doubt that we will treat De Gea as badly as we did Valdes, LVG seems to like him, so he'll probably even still train with the first team and get a chance to win his spot back

 

[K2K]

The club did not allow his contract to expire. It's almost 2 years they've been trying to get him to sign. Please stop blaming the club for this.
Of course Real made him think they wouldn't go for him if he signed the extension. They used the advantage to pressure him to not sign so they could get him for peanuts. That's what De Gea and his agent did that was so wrong - they went behind the club's back and spoke to Madrid before they let the club know anything. If he had some sort of loyalty or decency he would have not spoken to Madrid first. He would have come to us and explained for personal reasons he wanted to return and could we allow him to do so if he signs the extension and then negotiate a reasonable release clause. Thereby, both parties would be satisfied at the end of the day.

Madrid would then not have the ammunition that they now have to use against us. And Dave and his agent did this to the club. Do you think that's right? It's not De Gea United - it's Manchester United.

Thats actually a violation of fifa rules, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/4596209.stm

Its a poorly enforced rule though.

 

[Jazz]

Thats actually a violation of fifa rules, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/4596209.stm

Its a poorly enforced rule though.

FIFA not gonna enforce anything against Madrid. If it were an English club though....

 

[K2K]

FIFA not gonna enforce anything against Madrid. If it were an English club though....

I just think its a difficult rule to enforce..and because the agents goes behind the clubs on one deal, and then does the same with them against another club, its hard to police..Barca got a punishment for something Chelsea did too, yet If i recall, they got off..so its not really that imo

 

[Sultan]

A lot of posts on here are from fans being emotional. However, high and mighty they may act the money men will not want to lose 20/30 Million on transfer fees. A deal will happen and will be presented in positive light for both clubs.

 

[.Rossi]

Do we have any Atletico fan's on here?

I'd love to hear their opinion on this

 

[Jazz]

A lot of posts on here are from fans being emotional. However, high and mighty they may act the money men will not want to lose 20/30 Million on transfer fees. A deal will happen and will be presented in positive light for both clubs.

As far as anyone is aware, Madrid are not offering that. If they were offering close to £30M we would have got rid of him already. Last I heard they were thinking of offering less than what we paid for him.

 

[Rich_H_1989]

The club did not allow his contract to expire. It's almost 2 years they've been trying to get him to sign. Please stop blaming the club for this.
Of course Real made him think they wouldn't go for him if he signed the extension. They used the advantage to pressure him to not sign so they could get him for peanuts. That's what De Gea and his agent did that was so wrong - they went behind the club's back and spoke to Madrid before they let the club know anything. If he had some sort of loyalty or decency he would have not spoken to Madrid first. He would have come to us and explained for personal reasons he wanted to return and could we allow him to do so if he signs the extension and then negotiate a reasonable release clause. Thereby, both parties would be satisfied at the end of the day.

Madrid would then not have the ammunition that they now have to use against us. And Dave and his agent did this to the club. Do you think that's right? It's not De Gea United - it's Manchester United.

The club did allow it!!! If they knew a while ago he wasn't going to sign a new deal they should have sold first! But they didn't. That is poor contract management and if I did that in my Job I'd be in trouble.

Secondly how do we know for sure that he spoke to Real behind our backs? If we were sure of that they we'd complain to FIFA and get them in hot water. Oooh wait nope can't do that because we do it!

What you are saying is rumour as far as I'm concerned. But if he did do it then no it's not right but all players do it.

Do we have any Atletico fan's on here?

I'd love to hear their opinion on this

Great point! So many clubs could complain about us.

 

[Pexbo]

A lot of posts on here are from fans being emotional. However, high and mighty they may act the money men will not want to lose 20/30 Million on transfer fees. A deal will happen and will be presented in positive light for both clubs.

I don't agree at all.

De Gea has the European Championships to play for next summer, he's going to be absolutely focused to get into that squad should we keep him. Not to mention the fact he no doubt wants to win trophies and he's a human being playing with team mates that are genuine friends of his. He'll want to win and will do his best to help us achieve that.


As for £20/£30m, you're talking €28m-€43m. There's no way in hell that Real are going to cough that up when they can get him for free next season. So what we are actually talking about here is about £15m at best that we are turning down.

I think its fair to say that De Gea's last season was worth north of £15m to us as a club.

Add all this on top of what I mentioned above, the image of the club, and I guarantee you that the money men value us not being bullied by Real Madrid at much more than £20m-£30m.

 

[K2K]

A lot of posts on here are from fans being emotional. However, high and mighty they may act the money men will not want to lose 20/30 Million on transfer fees. A deal will happen and will be presented in positive light for both clubs.

I really dont think its an emotion thing, but rather who blinks first which sets future precedent for our future dealings..For united after selling ADM, and having had that Ramos stance, it'll weaken our bargaining position greatly if we were to crumble..I think United have a fee in mind or around something close whereby they will sell, its Madrid who need to decide whether they will meet it..23 mil plus would be a good fee, but from reports, Madrid want to pay even less than we bought him for..I think the fact that United were willing to make a loss on the ADM thing means that the considerations means that there is more than money to our decisions..Also, Woody is a Glazer man , so they will give him that much decision making power.

 

[Sultan]

As far as anyone is aware, Madrid are not offering that. If they were offering close to £30M we would have got rid of him already. Last I heard they were thinking of offering less than what we paid for him.

Why should they offer any more? De Gea wants a move, and we've lost almost all bargaining chips with him on his final year of contract. Basically to save a few Million United left it too late to tie him down to a new contract one year ago. However much Woodward and LvG talk big they messed up just like Sir Alex with Pogba.

 

[Jazz]

The club did allow it!!! If they knew a while ago he wasn't going to sign a new deal they should have sold first! But they didn't. That is poor contract management and if I did that in my Job I'd be in trouble.

Secondly how do we know for sure that he spoke to Real behind our backs? If we were sure of that they we'd complain to FIFA and get them in hot water. Oooh wait nope can't do that because we do it!

What you are saying is rumour as far as I'm concerned. But if he did do it then no it's not right but all players do it.



Great point! So many clubs could complain about us.

They clubs could complain but at least we don't go around low balling them which is what Madrid is doing on this deal!
The club allowed nothing of the sort - that boy lead them on. He more than likely gave them the run around about not making up his mind etc. All crap. Where I agree with you is - someone should have realised he and his agent were playing them and laid down the law then.
In answer to whether or not he spoke to Madrid - why would he keep turning down lucrative offers from us if he didn't have another offer in the bag? What football player and his greedy agent does that?

He would have led us on anyway because Casillas was still there and Dave did not fancy having to fight Casillas to be No.1 for Madrid nor Spain. So he kept his options opened at our expense.

 

[Jazz]

Why should they offer any more? De Gea wants a move, and we've lost almost all bargaining chips with him on his final year of contract. Basically to save a few Million United left it too late to tie him down to a new contract one year ago. However much Woodward and LvG talk big they messed up just like Sir Alex with Pogba.

I don't care about whether or not anyone else thinks they should or should not pay more - the club has set their price and that's that. Either Dave and Madrid accept that or prepare for him to come to them one season later.

 

[Sultan]

I don't agree at all.

De Gea has the European Championships to play for next summer, he's going to be absolutely focused to get into that squad should we keep him. Not to mention the fact he no doubt wants to win trophies and he's a human being playing with team mates that are genuine friends of his. He'll want to win and will do his best to help us achieve that.


As for £20/£30m, you're talking €28m-€43m. There's no way in hell that Real are going to cough that up when they can get him for free next season. So what we are actually talking about here is about £15m at best that we are turning down.

I think its fair to say that De Gea's last season was worth north of £15m to us as a club.

Add all this on top of what I mentioned above, the image of the club, and I guarantee you that the money men value us not being bullied by Real Madrid at much more than £20m-£30m.

I've never said he will not do his best. How can you guarantee Glazers/shareholders are not concerned with 20/30 Million? We're forgetting the club also has to run as a business.

Remember RvP? Arsenal were saying similar until they had to relent.

 

[Rich_H_1989]

They clubs could complain but at least we don't go around low balling them which is what Madrid is doing on this deal!
The club allowed nothing of the sort - that boy lead them on. He more than likely gave them the run around about not making up his mind etc. All crap. Where I agree with you is - someone should have realised he and his agent were playing them and laid down the law then.
In answer to whether or not he spoke to Madrid - why would he keep turning down lucrative offers from us if he didn't have another offer in the bag? What football player and his greedy agent does that?

He would have led us on anyway because Casillas was still there and Dave did not fancy having to fight Casillas to be No.1 for Madrid nor Spain. So he kept his options opened at our expense.

Oh come off it... So the club were fooled by a young lad and his agent? Because they've not seen it a million times before?

Why suddenly is it not believable that he was undecided? Because he's decided Real is the way to go? But had he decided to stay it would have been an acceptable approach?

You know why he turned down numerous big contract offers? Because it wasn't about the money! It was about making the deal with Real happen. Why sign a new deal if you have no intention of staying?

 

[K2K]

Why should they offer any more? De Gea wants a move, and we've lost almost all bargaining chips with him on his final year of contract. Basically to save a few Million United left it too late to tie him down to a new contract one year ago. However much Woodward and LvG talk big they messed up just like Sir Alex with Pogba.

If Madrid could get him for that much, they would have signed him already though..Its been almost a month since they moved on Casillas, so the plan was obviously to bring in De Gea sooner rather than later..obviously, someone is playing hardball .

The fact that LVG has this week even gone in front of the press and said explicitly that we want a fair fee tells me that United are serious about this..As Ive said, De Gea will stay off the field until madrid pay up or the end of the window..No one made that up, its LVG's own words.

 

[Sultan]

I don't care about whether or not anyone else thinks they should or should not pay more - the club has set their price and that's that. Either Dave and Madrid accept that or prepare for him to come to them one season later.

It's all hot air from the club. Money talks, and will do in this instance. They'll come to an agreement and United will sugar coat the deal. Remember Sir Alex saying he wouldn't sell them a virus?

 

[Jazz]

Oh come off it... So the club were fooled by a young lad and his agent? Because they've not seen it a million times before?

Why suddenly is it not believable that he was undecided? Because he's decided Real is the way to go? But had he decided to stay it would have been an acceptable approach?

You know why he turned down numerous big contract offers? Because it wasn't about the money! It was about making the deal with Real happen. Why sign a new deal if you have no intention of staying?

I know it was about making sure he went to Real. I take issue that he's made it as easy as possible for Real to get him for nothing. That is shit for us! Let's agree to disagree cause we'll going around in circles. You seem to think it's all about what the footballer wants. What about what's best for the club?