I watched the conference and seen it. Sometimes stupidity has no limit. Way to support your own team...
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I watched the conference and seen it. Sometimes stupidity has no limit. Way to support your own team...
Has anyone else read that Hamburg official Knäbel lost a backpack in a park of Hamburg? Not that serious at first thought, but the bag had confidential documents of the club in it including a list of all salaries of the club.
Everytime you think the club has reached an ultimate low, something like this comes to light
Everytime you think the club has reached an ultimate low, something like this comes to light
not something you can throw randomly out there in a park. fired yet?Has anyone else read that Hamburg official Knäbel lost a backpack in a park Hamburg? Not that serious at first thought, but the bag had confidential documents of the club in it including a list of all salaries of the club.
Everytime you think the club has reached an ultimate low, something like this comes to light
Yeah, but it was found and given back, wasn't it? Still hilarious that he actually printed out a list with all salaries and put it in a backpack. Why would you do that?Has anyone else read that Hamburg official Knäbel lost a backpack in a park of Hamburg? Not that serious at first thought, but the bag had confidential documents of the club in it including a list of all salaries of the club.
Everytime you think the club has reached an ultimate low, something like this comes to light
Yeah, but it was found and given back, wasn't it? Still hilarious that he actually printed out a list with all salaries and put it in a backpack. Why would you do that?
I have no idea. I work with confidential government papers every day I would never think of even moving those out of the buildings. IF they are moved, its always a two men job with sealed bags and often even security.
Any normal employee would need to take his hat for that.
Apparently, it was old data, not from this year, which is why it wasn't initially missed. But still, i've seen employees being sacked for far less than that.Has anyone else read that Hamburg official Knäbel lost a backpack in a park of Hamburg? Not that serious at first thought, but the bag had confidential documents of the club in it including a list of all salaries of the club.
Everytime you think the club has reached an ultimate low, something like this comes to light
Most pro football clubs have the turnover of a mid-sized company, but the structures of a pub team.
Looks like Aranguiz to Leverkusen is finally a done deal. The presidents of both clubs have confirmed it, they just need to finalise the contract. It's definitely a very interesting transfer. Leverkusen are really great when it comes to the transition of Southamerican players to European football, so if he plays as well for Leverkusen as he did for Chile at the World Cup and Copa the last 2 years, then they have an upgrade on Castro and a fantastic midfield three of Kramer, Aranguiz and Lars Bender.
I think that - even if Reschke now is in Munich - the experiences Vidal made in Leverkusen were important in this transfer, too.
Leverkusen has an incredibly talented team. Jedvaj, Tah, Wendell, Calhanoglou, Brandt, Leno, Papadopoulos and only three important players are over 25 (Kießling, Bender, Toprak). They also play very entertaining football. I really hope, that they can get passed Lazio.
Leverkusen always has a lot of talent. They know it's a great place to make the next step in your development and try to get the attention of better teams.
. That's an interesting cut off point. Both Bender and Toprak turned 26 very recently if I'm not mistaken. They're still young and have their peak years ahead of them as well. Kießling really is the only exception. Still don't understand why they wanted to get rid of Drmic so quickly, he'd fit into that team perfectly.Well.. that's what Leverkusen always has been about isn't it? Buying a bunch of promising players, turning them into stars then selling them for a very fair price to a bigger club (and maybe bottling a couple of titles along the way).
Don't get their striker policy either. Kießling is pretty old and quite obviously already started to decline and I don't really see Mehmedi as a lone striker. Unless they plan to field Son in that role this seems really risky to me.
Don't get their striker policy either. Kießling is pretty old and quite obviously already started to decline and I don't really see Mehmedi as a lone striker. Unless they plan to field Son in that role this seems really risky to me.
It is difficult for Leverkusen to get a striker who matches their tactics. He has to work his socks off and at the same time participate in their high speed offence. Players who can do both usually play for bigger clubs. Mehmedi could do a job as lone striker. They also have Ryu, who was loaned out to Braunschweig. Dunno anything about him.
Immboile saying the Bundesliga was too easy for him, but that he could never adapt to the German way of living and culture. Mofo you just picked the wrong job. You should have tried your luck as a comedian. 
He said that? I only read that Klopp only motivates but teaches no tactics and that all his teammates and the staff were cnuts, because no one helped him and his family. Oh and German is an awful language or something like that.Immboile saying the Bundesliga was too easy for him, but that he could never adapt to the German way of living and culture. Mofo you just picked the wrong job. You should have tried your luck as a comedian.
Clearly there was 'true love' at Dortmund last season, very fitting slogan the club chose.
He basically said that he imagined the Bundesliga to me much more demanding (or challenging) than it turned out to be and that the german way of training is inferior to the spanish approach where more time is spent working on tactics, video analysis and going to the gym, while in germany it was mostly just about stamina.
He said he and his family "suffered a lot" in Germany.
fecking Dortmund. How dare they not learn italian to accommodate their prodigious 3 goal striker?! What a clown.
To be fair to him, Dortmund last season often looked like they didn't spend much time preparing tactics.He basically said that he imagined the Bundesliga to me much more demanding (or challenging) than it turned out to be and that the german way of training is inferior to the spanish approach where more time is spent working on tactics, video analysis and going to the gym, while in germany it was mostly just about stamina.
He said he and his family "suffered a lot" in Germany.
What a fecking clown.
Well I always thought that was pretty much the setup with Klopp. He motivates his players and his staff does the training tactical side of the game, more or less. Naturally he will still be involved but I think he even said in an interview that the whole Gegenpressing shenanigans was mainly a thing of Buvac and that he was the real mastermind behind all their tactical stuff.
I didn't really expect a serious answer . I think Klopp's tactical nous is a bit underrated and I doubt that he's just there to motivate. Maybe we'll find out who's the true genius between Klopp and Buvac if they take separate jobs one day. Most likely they'll work together again next year though, just like Tuchel brought Arno Michels with him to Dortmund after they worked together for 5 years in Mainz.
. I think Klopp's tactical nous is a bit underrated and I doubt that he's just there to motivate. Maybe we'll find out who's the true genius between Klopp and Buvac if they take separate jobs one day. Most likely they'll work together again next year though, just like Tuchel brought Arno Michels with him to Dortmund after they worked together for 5 years in Mainz.I didn't really expect a serious answer
I think it's almost certain that they will work again. I wouldn't even hold it against Klopp if he was mainly a motivator. I know Bayern made some bad experiences with such a setup when you hired Klinsi but if it works for Klopp and his team than why not. I would even guess that most managers/coaches these days aren't the sole deciders when it comes to tactics, they will all rely on their scouts and assistant coaches to some extend to setup their team, some more and some less. Like I said the only reason I really answered to this is because I remembered an interview I saw on Sky a few years back where Klopp mentioned Buvac as a very important part of the team when it came to tactics, so I think there is certainly some truth to Klopp being mainly a motivator.
Klopp praised Buvac a lot, so yeah, Buvac certainly played a huge role in the tactics. I still think it's really harsh to say 'Klopp is mainly a motivator'. I buy that with Klinsmann and Löw for Germany 2004 - 06, where Löw obviously already was the actual coach and Klinsmann had neither the coaching badges nor any experience. I don't think you can work like that for 7 years at Mainz and then again 7 years at Dortmund though. Club football is a lot more about tactics than international football and the very long periods at both clubs also make it highly unlikely.
To be fair, I believe him that the Spanish league is ahead of the Bundesliga in terms of training and tactics, La Liga overall is simply the best league in the world right now. But Immobiles comments seem more the case of the typical brown nosing your new club before the season starts and trying to defend his failure with Dortmund.
About the language&culture stuff: I'd probably understand an Italian not coping easily with the culture at the beginning but I never understand footballers complaining about that. You earn millions ffs, you could have your own cook or whatever if you feel uncomfortable and you have so much free time anyway just take 10 hours of language lessons a week and even a difficult language like German won't be a big problem after a while.
He was just the wrong player there at the wrong time, I never thought he would be a suitable Lewandowski replacement.
About the language&culture stuff: I'd probably understand an Italian not coping easily with the culture at the beginning but I never understand footballers complaining about that. You earn millions ffs, you could have your own cook or whatever if you feel uncomfortable and you have so much free time anyway just take 10 hours of language lessons a week and even a difficult language like German won't be a big problem after a while.
He was just the wrong player there at the wrong time, I never thought he would be a suitable Lewandowski replacement.
I wont try to argue against La Liga being ahead of Bundesliga atm, but I'm not so easily convinced that it is because of superior tactics.
And while I feel a bit sorry for Immobile, because the circumstances made it next to impossible for him to succeed at Dortmund I think he's mostly talking random crap to brown nose his new club or make excuses for his failure.
I mean you have to be pretty stupid to go around spouting that you had it so rough because you neither speak basic English or German after more than a year in a foreign country with all the money and help in the world to learn it.
What a prick!
I do not know if he tells so much crap. But things always are two sided - a player that is not able to adapt - and a club that does not help to adapt...
He told that the video and tactical sessions were never longer than 20 minutes.
The tactics part... - it is not just Immobile who recently talked about deficiencies in the Dortmund project - when e.g. Subotic is surprised to learn now how to pass and to how to pass the ball to the better foot of your fellow player...
He told that the video and tactical sessions were never longer than 20 minutes.
The tactics part... - it is not just Immobile who recently talked about deficiencies in the Dortmund project - when e.g. Subotic is surprised to learn now how to pass and to how to pass the ball to the better foot of your fellow player...
It really is a non story. I always felt that both sides made mistakes. He is a good player and could surprise one or two people. Dortmund was a mess last year and they bought a certain type of player, that they never needed. There was a decent amount of discussion about Dortmund´s transfer business in recent years. A couple of their transfers didn´t really work out, but most of them were fairly reasonable. This one is the one big exception. I thought that Klopp had a plan for him, but that wasn´t the case. He was doomed to fail in their system. I still think that Dortmund could make good use of another person with experience in the business, who works who assists Zorc.
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The tactics training is always subjective but its when put with his other comments. Unprofessional to the say the least.
Prior to match on Friday in Munich... If they think it helps...
Maybe it would be better to ask Weber grill for a sponsorship...
He has his coach and his scouts to give him their opinions. I think that should be sufficient. If I'm not mistaken one of the more reputable papers also wrote that Watzke and Zorc had their doubts about Immobile but Klopp wanted him so badly that they still signed him.
He wouldn't even have to learn german! English would be perfectly fine. Auba doesn't speak german, Kagawa STILL doesn't. Immobile could've at least moved his arse into an english classroom once a week to learn how to communicate on the most basic level. Maybe someone would've invited him for dinner, the poor sod. Instead he got stroppy when Tuchel didn't want his interpreter around 24/7.
The food complaint was my favorite: Immobile was completely dumbfounded by the german habit of having dinner at 7pm while they eat at 11pm in spain. I can only imagine how much he must've suffered every evening when Klopp showed up and forced him at gunpoint to have dinner at 7 o'clock.
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Maybe his teammates invited him to dinner and he showed up at 11pm and no one opened the door? That would explain a lot. Just a minor misunderstanding.
Hamburg is like a troll club. Yoiu cannot possibly be this incompetent. Now they sold HSV shirts with pictures of their fan blocks, only it wasn´t their own, but that of Hertha BSC.
He wouldn't even have to learn german! English would be perfectly fine. Auba doesn't speak german, Kagawa STILL doesn't. Immobile could've at least moved his arse into an english classroom once a week to learn how to communicate on the most basic level. Maybe someone would've invited him for dinner, the poor sod. Instead he got stroppy when Tuchel didn't want his interpreter around 24/7.
The food complaint was my favorite: Immobile was completely dumbfounded by the german habit of having dinner at 7pm while they eat at 11pm in spain. I can only imagine how much he must've suffered every evening when Klopp showed up and forced him at gunpoint to have dinner at 7 o'clock.
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I don't think we can really judge how well players speak German (or any other language for that matter), because we almost exclusively hear them through interviews and since the media is quite fond of 'accidentally misinterpreting' things most players prefer the safe footing of their mother tongue.
Look at Pep for example, I was very suprised how good his German was on his first ever press conference yet all the sky interviews of late which I remember were in Spanish.
Hamburg is like a troll club. Yoiu cannot possibly be this incompetent. Now they sold HSV shirts with pictures of their fan blocks, only it wasn´t their own, but that of Hertha BSC.
Yeah, it's really funny that this happened to Hamburg of all clubs. But come on.. the guys who create this stuff are probably some marketing geeks who have nothing to do with the team or management.
Kagawa is still running around with his translator all the time. Tuchel had banned all of them at the begin of the season but allowed Kagawa's back in. Atleast that was what I read.
But I think the problem might be something different. At Dortmund I have the feeling that they have an old crowd or group that sticks together a lot and new ones have problems to get in. Immobile never did...
It is easy to blame him now - ok, he is the one who makes the accusations - but there is always two parties. If people welcome you with open arms it is a lot easier to adapt to other cultures and languages. It is the club who wanted him, who made a big investment to get him - and who has to try to give him a good environment - I see his shortcomings, but I do not see that the club has done its best either.
But I think the problem might be something different. At Dortmund I have the feeling that they have an old crowd or group that sticks together a lot and new ones have problems to get in. Immobile never did...
It is easy to blame him now - ok, he is the one who makes the accusations - but there is always two parties. If people welcome you with open arms it is a lot easier to adapt to other cultures and languages. It is the club who wanted him, who made a big investment to get him - and who has to try to give him a good environment - I see his shortcomings, but I do not see that the club has done its best either.
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Interesting, I didn't know about Kagawa getting his translator back.
But Immobile is just one guy out of many who joined the team, so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from him, especially since his behaviour this summer seems to indicate that he's a bit of an idiot and not speaking any German/English probably does not help with integration either. Aubameyang for example seems to have settled in fine and you don't read anything bad about Mkhitaryan even though he seems to be kind of a brooding guy who had a rough time last season.
But Immobile is just one guy out of many who joined the team, so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from him, especially since his behaviour this summer seems to indicate that he's a bit of an idiot and not speaking any German/English probably does not help with integration either. Aubameyang for example seems to have settled in fine and you don't read anything bad about Mkhitaryan even though he seems to be kind of a brooding guy who had a rough time last season.
Bundesliga start - HSV fans already unsettled. Is this the betting quote or already the result?
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Actually I do not expect a high result of Bayern. A win - yes - but maybe a 2:0 or 2:1.
The graph is a result of a study about the predictablity of the results of a league in the recent seasons. The higher the value - the more predictable the results were. Even if the Bundesliga Championship was a one-horse-race the recent seasons - seeing all of it the Bundesliga was the least predictable league of EPL, La Liga and EPL. The gap in La Liga between the top teams (not only Real and Barca but Valencia, Sevilla, Atletico...) to the other teams gets bigger and bigger with each year.
Well, thank god we have your completely objective opinion on the inner workings of the Dortmund squad.
Yeah, Roman Bürki and Julian Weigl sure seem miserable, laughing and fooling around on multiple videos and pictures. Gonzalo Castro at least accomplished something what Ciro "whiny bitch" Immobile never did: having dinner with a teammate, namely Neven Subotic. Henrikh Mkhitaryan also lives with the terror that no other player is into chess as much as he is. Players like Kevin Kampl, Mats Hummels and Nuri Sahin have at least enough pity with him to accompany him to games of the youth teams and second squad. Meanwhile P.-E. Aubameyang had the same language barrier to overcome, but weirdly hit it off instantly with his buddy Marco Reus to the point that they are now nearly inseperalable. Shinji Kagawa is very close to Ilkay Gündogan, so much that the latter even traveled to Japan during his vacation to cheer for the former in International games.
I could probably dig up even more if I would be really into all that twitter, facebook or instagramm stuff of the players, but the point is that the public only sees a very restricted view on team dynamics.
What I do know is that I could list interviews of more than a dozen players, including former ones after they left, who had nothing but praise about the integration and support inside the team.
One player, who searches for so many things to blame but not himself, is not going to change my opinion if the vast majority says otherwise. Integration is always a two way street and if one individual fails at it while dozens succeed, then I rather take a look at him than the group.
Is Henrikh Mkhitaryan into chess because he's Armenian?
Aranguiz is a cracking signing for Leverkusen.