American Cops Doing What They Do Best

I've noticed, when watching videos from body cameras, that white officers are getting called racist more often when making normal arrests or interacting with suspects. It's seems it's just a first defense for some people when they get in trouble. Most people don't jump to that, fortunately. One guy even called the officer taking his report a racist for politely asking him to concentrate on answering the questions rather than rambling about other stuff. By the time the officer's supervisor got there to take the complaint, the complainant was happy with the officer and realized he wasn't racist. :lol:
 
I've noticed, when watching videos from body cameras, that white officers are getting called racist more often when making normal arrests or interacting with suspects. It's seems it's just a first defense for some people when they get in trouble. Most people don't jump to that, fortunately. One guy even called the officer taking his report a racist for politely asking him to concentrate on answering the questions rather than rambling about other stuff. By the time the officer's supervisor got there to take the complaint, the complainant was happy with the officer and realized he wasn't racist. :lol:

There was a video I tried to find from (I believe) St Louis where there were protesters at a crime scene.

Crime scene where an armed black male ran from cops, aimed a gun and was shot.

Believe the story or not, the part I enjoyed watching was the protesters afterwards screaming into the faces of these officers, one of which was black. Then one of them started pointing at every white cop screaming "racist" at each one. He then proceeded to say he knew that the officer had killed plenty of blacks already...He just KNEW it. A fellow protestor then pointed out that these black people screaming at the White officers don't have the means to be racist, so there.

Finished up with the first guy screaming "I know you're racist just because of the colour of your skin"

Cue the officers in tactical gear coming from cleaning up elsewhere, to which yells of "there ain't no ISIS over here" and "they got 9 clips on they belt...and every one of them is for us"

And wrapped up finally with all of them following the officer's as they begin to leave by flipping them off and chanting feck the police.

It's such a joke sometimes :lol:
 
I've noticed, when watching videos from body cameras, that white officers are getting called racist more often when making normal arrests or interacting with suspects. It's seems it's just a first defense for some people when they get in trouble. Most people don't jump to that, fortunately. One guy even called the officer taking his report a racist for politely asking him to concentrate on answering the questions rather than rambling about other stuff. By the time the officer's supervisor got there to take the complaint, the complainant was happy with the officer and realized he wasn't racist. :lol:

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And I forgot the woman shouting "this is just like Trayvon Martin" when she got a $2k cash bond for a failure to appear (again, I think).
 
http://www.ksat.com/news/ksatcom-exclusive-unedited-video-of-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting#

Guy surrenders, hands in the air. Cops shoot him anyway.

Straight up murder.

The department posted this on Facebook afterwards...

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/01/us/illinois-police-officer-shot/index.html

An Illinois police officer was shot and killed in Lake County on Tuesday, authorities said, and search is on for three suspects.

Law enforcement on foot and in helicopters are combing the area, said Lake County Sheriff's Sgt. Christopher Covelli.

The shooting happened about 10 minutes before 8 a.m. local time, according to the sergeant. The slain officer worked for Fox Lake Police, a community of about 60,000 people within Lake County.

The officer radioed that he was pursuing three suspects on foot, according to Cavelli.

The officer described them as two white men and one black man, he told CNN. Radio communication dropped off and backup officers were sent. They found the officer with a gunshot wound. He was a 32-year veteran of the police force, CNN learned from a law enforcement source.

Insane times.
 
at 7:50am ?? weird.

the more these cops kill unarmed black men for no good reason the more I expect to see reports of cops getting killed for no good reason.
 
Couldn't stand that site for more than 2 seconds, what's the gist?

Yeah it's a shit site to have to navigate...pop ups galore.

An excerpt from the radio show of one of the (main?) Founders/activists from the #blacklivesmatter movement.

When those motherf**kers are by themselves that’s when we should start f**king them up….that’s how we should roll up. Since we roll up in gangs anyways, might as well be 6 or 7 black motherf**kers,” one activist stated. “See that white person and lynch THEIR ass….let’s turn the table. Someone needs to become a sacrifice on their side…..Find a motherf**ker that’s alone. Snap his ass, and then f**king hang him from a damn tree. Take a picture, send it to them motherf**kers

And other such pearls of wisdom.

Making it hard for the actual people who are trying to make a difference to be taken seriously and not just grouped together. Similar to how a few bad cops make it hard for the rest.
 
at 7:50am ?? weird.

the more these cops kill unarmed black men for no good reason the more I expect to see reports of cops getting killed for no good reason.

And the dangerous spiral that leads to means MORE cops shooting first asking questions later, then more people shooting cops, then more cops shooting people, etc etc etc. All without the proper steps being taken to reduce the amount of cop on civilian and civilian on cop violence.
 
It comes down to re-training cops in how to deal with interactions without resorting to lethal force. It seems that sometimes it's their 1st reaction, when it should be the last resort.
 
Yeah it's a shit site to have to navigate...pop ups galore.

An excerpt from the radio show of one of the (main?) Founders/activists from the #blacklivesmatter movement.



And other such pearls of wisdom.

Making it hard for the actual people who are trying to make a difference to be taken seriously and not just grouped together. Similar to how a few bad cops make it hard for the rest.

As far as public perception goes, you're absolutely correct.
 
Yeah, that´s what I meant. I´m ok with executions. Where did you pull that one from? I suppose that means you´re ok with cops having killed 500 people this year in comparison to the falling rate of 23 police deaths thus far. I am glad, though, they miraculously started keeping stats on deaths at the hands of police.

I just hope Black Lives Matter doesn´t start following the Tea Party lead with all that gun thing against oppressive, tyrannical government. Hopefully we aren´t seeing that familiar concept of "blowback" when it comes to militaristic justice.
 
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This is clearly a debate that either side are not going to have much sympathy for.

It's hard to feel much sympathy when police brutality in communities has been systematic now for many decades, particularly against ethnic minorities. And it's easy to resort to the "thug" "violent" "threatening" rhetoric but all that does is perpetuate unfair stereotypes and stir up racial tension.
As seen in many cases of those who have died at the hands of the police, a large amount haven't done anything that warrants an execution. But in comparison, official police reports almost always resort to the usual "I was in fear of my life" and "he was resisting arrest" even when there's video evidence against this.

We're at a point where the Black Lives Matter movement isn't dying down, it isn't going away, and with the use of social media it's only going to garner more attention, and gain more power. BLM has never associated itself with violence, or 'revenge' or retaliation on police officers but raising awareness, and providing their own perspective that is often not given a voice in media. Of course there will be those who decide to take matters into their own hands, some may kill police but that's not a fair reflection of the entire movement. Just like the police officers who execute unarmed civilians aren't a fair reflection on the entire police force.
 
It's not an either/or issue. One can be concerned about cops (civil servants) getting shot at and killed, and be outraged at cops killing civilians indiscriminately at the same time.
 
Yeah, that´s what I meant. I´m ok with executions. Where did you pull that one from? I suppose that means you´re ok with cops having killed 500 people this year in comparison to the falling rate of 23 police deaths thus far. I am glad, though, they miraculously started keeping stats on deaths at the hands of police.

I just hope Black Lives Matter doesn´t start following the Tea Party lead with all that gun thing against oppressive, tyrannical government. Hopefully we aren´t seeing that familiar concept of "blowback" when it comes to militaristic justice.

Never said I was ok with it. Look at my posts in here, and you'll find I have plenty of sympathy towards the victims, and have agreed that plenty of these officers were way out of line and deserve jail time at the minimum.

I don't see why you take issue with me pointing out that there's also cold blooded executions on police officers across the country, with at least some possibly linked to parts of the BLM movement screaming for more.

The fact that I post up stories about officers being gunned down, and your only reply is "yeah but their deaths are down"...what should I think your stance is?

It's not an either/or issue. One can be concerned about cops (civil servants) getting shot at and killed, and be outraged at cops killing civilians indiscriminately at the same time.

This seems to be where the biggest issue lies. Both sides need to come together (unlikely) and find ways to get the officer's that need to be removed, and get them out of there...While finding ways to stop the gunning down of officers.

Tbf, I believe there are a lot, perhaps even the majority, of people within the BLM movement that are against the actions of a few. However, those actions are deafening in relation to the message the rest are trying to get across.

Both sides have a minority that are dragging the rest down and making it next to impossible to sort through...and it will just keep escalating on both sides.
 
Never said I was ok with it. Look at my posts in here, and you'll find I have plenty of sympathy towards the victims, and have agreed that plenty of these officers were way out of line and deserve jail time at the minimum.

I don't see why you take issue with me pointing out that there's also cold blooded executions on police officers across the country, with at least some possibly linked to parts of the BLM movement screaming for more.

The fact that I post up stories about officers being gunned down, and your only reply is "yeah but their deaths are down"...what should I think your stance is?



This seems to be where the biggest issue lies. Both sides need to come together (unlikely) and find ways to get the officer's that need to be removed, and get them out of there...While finding ways to stop the gunning down of officers.

Tbf, I believe there are a lot, perhaps even the majority, of people within the BLM movement that are against the actions of a few. However, those actions are deafening in relation to the message the rest are trying to get across.

Both sides have a minority that are dragging the rest down and making it next to impossible to sort through...and it will just keep escalating on both sides.

Maybe like, well, let´s put this in perspective. But to say I´m "ok" with it is a bit offensive, don´t you think? I mean, what you´re implying is a bit much.
 
Maybe like, well, let´s put this in perspective. But to say I´m "ok" with it is a bit offensive, don´t you think? I mean, what you´re implying is a bit much.

I'd have no problem opening up that discussion to converse about it.

I found your reply to be fairly callous, though. Maybe to say you're 'ok" with it pushes the boat out a bit...But like I said, when that's your only response to what I posted, that's how it came across.
 
This seems to be where the biggest issue lies. Both sides need to come together (unlikely) and find ways to get the officer's that need to be removed, and get them out of there...While finding ways to stop the gunning down of officers.

Tbf, I believe there are a lot, perhaps even the majority, of people within the BLM movement that are against the actions of a few. However, those actions are deafening in relation to the message the rest are trying to get across.

Both sides have a minority that are dragging the rest down and making it next to impossible to sort through...and it will just keep escalating on both sides.

As to your first point, BLM finally released an agenda of what they would like to see implemented, summarized in the link below. IMO all the points make sense, and would lead to greater trust between the police and communities they serve, freeing them to do actual beat work.

www.joincampaignzero.org

If I was a betting man, I would wager that some of the recent deaths of police officers have occurred as a result of inflamed rhetoric from some people within the BLM movement. Unfortunately as in most cases, the extremists who are in the minority, usually get the most attention. The emotion is understandable, however the killings are inexcusable and counterproductive. What can be done though, to stop isolated lunatics from taking their frustrations out on cops just doing their job?

On the other hand, is there anything cops can do to further ensure their safety, without resulting in the shedding of innocent blood? I know the NYPD initiated having 2 cops in a car, but smaller police departments may not be able to afford that.
 
You want to hear something really inflammatory and callous, listen to this Fox News mouthpiece from his pulpit on the most watched cable news network, and you can bet like always, not one conservative or Republican politician or otherwise will call him on it. They´ve been spewing this since from the beginning of Obama´s presidency.

Keith Ablow on Obama: Well, who takes that call from the President, instead of saying “I'm sorry, aren't you the guy who started this?” This is the President who inflamed racial discourse in this country, who put a target on the backs of American police officers. How did he do that?
 
As to your first point, BLM finally released an agenda of what they would like to see implemented, summarized in the link below. IMO all the points make sense, and would lead to greater trust between the police and communities they serve, freeing them to do actual beat work.

www.joincampaignzero.org

If I was a betting man, I would wager that some of the recent deaths of police officers have occurred as a result of inflamed rhetoric from some people within the BLM movement. Unfortunately as in most cases, the extremists who are in the minority, usually get the most attention. The emotion is understandable, however the killings are inexcusable and counterproductive. What can be done though, to stop isolated lunatics from taking their frustrations out on cops just doing their job?

On the other hand, is there anything cops can do to further ensure their safety, without resulting in the shedding of innocent blood? I know the NYPD initiated having 2 cops in a car, but smaller police departments may not be able to afford that.

Thanks for posting that link, I'll have read through it when I get a proper chance to sit down.

As for your question, it's a tough one. The two officers is good, and it's mandatory for us when working graves after 11pm. Like you say though, is not really feasible to implement that everywhere.

I don't see a quick fix, and while there will always be a danger of lunatics, the best bet is trying to stay vigilant whenever out in public. We have a gas pump at our office, so don't fill up in public. If I work on reports, I do it off the freeway at an underpass, or at the office. Not all officers have the ability to do that, but a lot of them get sucked into the minutiae of what they're doing, they don't see threats coming. Example, the 4 officers gunned down at a coffee shop. As quickly as those things happen, I can't fathom how bout one of them were aware of their surroundings. My wife still gets grumpy when I ask for tables in the corner of restaurants so I can see everything and everyone.

Long term, the best way is to fix all these broken and strained relationships.
 
You want to hear something really inflammatory and callous, listen to this Fox News mouthpiece from his pulpit on the most watched cable news network, and you can bet like always, not one conservative or Republican politician or otherwise will call him on it. They´ve been spewing this since from the beginning of Obama´s presidency.

Keith Ablow on Obama: Well, who takes that call from the President, instead of saying “I'm sorry, aren't you the guy who started this?” This is the President who inflamed racial discourse in this country, who put a target on the backs of American police officers. How did he do that?

Yes. As well as the prosecutor and sheriff of the cop who got killed in Texas directly calling out BLM as the cause of the murder before any information came out. Sadly the public backlash against a reasonably confrontational (to the majority) movement has been a long time coming...
 
As to your first point, BLM finally released an agenda of what they would like to see implemented, summarized in the link below. IMO all the points make sense, and would lead to greater trust between the police and communities they serve, freeing them to do actual beat work.

www.joincampaignzero.org

If I was a betting man, I would wager that some of the recent deaths of police officers have occurred as a result of inflamed rhetoric from some people within the BLM movement. Unfortunately as in most cases, the extremists who are in the minority, usually get the most attention. The emotion is understandable, however the killings are inexcusable and counterproductive. What can be done though, to stop isolated lunatics from taking their frustrations out on cops just doing their job?

On the other hand, is there anything cops can do to further ensure their safety, without resulting in the shedding of innocent blood? I know the NYPD initiated having 2 cops in a car, but smaller police departments may not be able to afford that.

Part of the BLM's problem is that it has encouraged or ingrained an adversarial relationship, intended or not, with police. This has no doubt precipitated more uses of force by police in response to belligerent or antagonistic suspects/individuals over minor incidents. It seems now they are attempting to engage law enforcement to some extent, but they've already engendered ill-will among police officers because of the broad, vocal opposition to police over the past year. There is also the failure of some BLM leaders/members to accept that there are instances where deadly force is warranted. There's a world of difference between a black kid getting shot for shooting or pointing a gun at police and what happened with Freddy Gray. Yet many BLM protesters seemingly fail to understand that. There was an article in the Daily Beast the other day about how several leaders in BLM refuse to accept deadly force in basically any circumstance. Another problem is the failure/refusal to accept legal outcomes regardless of legitimacy. Unfortunately, there are situations where the "just" outcome isn't legally viable.

I've read through parts of the agenda and see an issue with one particular part in particular. Community representation in many cities or neighborhoods is going to be impossible to mirror exactly because of the large number of black males who have: 1. criminal history, 2. drug use, 3. desire to be a cop. I know black cops who have family who refuse to talk to them because of their profession. Places like Camden, Detroit, or Baltimore (and other poor, majority black cities) would likely have a hard time getting a police force that is directly proportional. The same goes for females but overall trying to expand the demographics of law enforcement is always a goal. Most agencies want to have better representation of their communities. Our problem is the applicant pool.

(I'll try to add some more later after work.)
 
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Part of the BLM's problem is that it has encouraged or ingrained an adversarial relationship, intended or not, with police. This has no doubt precipitated more uses of force by police in response to belligerent or antagonistic suspects/individuals over minor incidents. It seems now they are attempting to engage law enforcement to some extent, but they've already engendered ill-will among police officers because of the broad, vocal opposition to police over the past year. There is also the failure of some BLM leaders/members to accept that there are instances where deadly force is warranted. There's a world of difference between a black kid getting shot for shooting or pointing a gun at police and what happened with Freddy Gray. Yet many BLM protesters seemingly fail to understand that. There was an article in the Daily Beast the other day about how several leaders in BLM refuse to accept deadly force in basically any circumstance. Another problem is the failure/refusal to accept legal outcomes regardless of legitimacy. Unfortunately, there are situations where the "just" outcome isn't legally viable.

I've read through parts of the agenda and see an issue with one particular part in particular. Community representation in many cities or neighborhoods is going to be impossible to mirror exactly because of the large number of black males who have: 1. criminal history, 2. drug use, 3. desire to be a cop. I know black cops who have family who refuse to talk to them because of their profession. Places like Camden, Detroit, or Baltimore (and other poor, majority black cities) would likely have a hard time getting a police force that is directly proportional. The same goes for females but overall trying to expand the demographics of law enforcement is always a goal. Most agencies want to have better representation of their communities. Our problem is the applicant pool.

(I'll try to add some more later after work.)

This ingrained adversarial relationship existed looong long before Black Live Matter. Basically since the beginning of the US? Know our history!

How did we get to this point?
 
Part of the BLM's problem is that it has encouraged or ingrained an adversarial relationship, intended or not, with police. This has no doubt precipitated more uses of force by police in response to belligerent or antagonistic suspects/individuals over minor incidents. It seems now they are attempting to engage law enforcement to some extent, but they've already engendered ill-will among police officers because of the broad, vocal opposition to police over the past year. There is also the failure of some BLM leaders/members to accept that there are instances where deadly force is warranted. There's a world of difference between a black kid getting shot for shooting or pointing a gun at police and what happened with Freddy Gray. Yet many BLM protesters seemingly fail to understand that. There was an article in the Daily Beast the other day about how several leaders in BLM refuse to accept deadly force in basically any circumstance. Another problem is the failure/refusal to accept legal outcomes regardless of legitimacy. Unfortunately, there are situations where the "just" outcome isn't legally viable.

I've read through parts of the agenda and see an issue with one particular part in particular. Community representation in many cities or neighborhoods is going to be impossible to mirror exactly because of the large number of black males who have: 1. criminal history, 2. drug use, 3. desire to be a cop. I know black cops who have family who refuse to talk to them because of their profession. Places like Camden, Detroit, or Baltimore (and other poor, majority black cities) would likely have a hard time getting a police force that is directly proportional. The same goes for females but overall trying to expand the demographics of law enforcement is always a goal. Most agencies want to have better representation of their communities. Our problem is the applicant pool.

(I'll try to add some more later after work.)

While I understand what it is you're saying, I think you fail to understand or recognise where this adversarial relationship with police stems from.
Black people just didn't develop a strained relationship with police for no reason. Police brutality has been real and it has been a problem particularly in poor communities for many decades particularly around the Civil Rights Movement. (And prior to that Slavery) Many of this generation will have known family members, friends, other members of their community, whether directly or otherwise - who have been victim of police brutality with no justice been found.
I'm not even American and one of my "cousins" (family friend) was almost beaten to death by police officers while he was handcuffed in the 90s, because he was "resisting". They got away with it. And they have been getting away with it for years, not just with black people but we are perceived to be the most violent, threatening ones.
As a result there is a real fear & hatred of the police - particularly if you are a black male - that other races just don't understand. It's a constant thought and it's tiring to constantly be conscious & aware of your race and how you are perceived by other people that only people of ethnic minorities understand.

The only difference as we've seen in cases like Freddie Gray, Tahir Rice etc is that its much more difficult for the police to get away with it, and BLM isn't going to allow it to continue because cases of civilian death that occurs will now be up for scrutiny to find out the truth if it was indeed warranted or not.
It's been far too easy for police officers to say they feared for their life and they thought the suspect had a weapon, or they were resisting.
If the police are doing their jobs correctly, if the facts support the report and any subsequent autopsy of the body, then yes while it's a tough pill to take the death cannot be anything other than warranted.
However in the last year or so since BLM has really picked up pace, we've found far too many inconsistencies between police reports, eyewitness statements, and any video evidence.

BLM is not perfect by any means, but finally there's a body that stands up for the voices of community members who had no voice before and have had to suffer in silence with no regard for their treatment.

By no means am I excusing or embracing violence against the police and it's certainly not the aim of BLM to encourage force against the police. It's more a mutual understanding that both sides understand the pain felt when they lose one of their own from an unjust means at the hands of someone who had no right to do so.
 
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While I understand what it is you're saying, I think you fail to understand or recognise where this adversarial relationship with police stems from.
Black people just didn't develop a strained relationship with police for no reason. Police brutality has been real and it has been a problem particularly in poor communities for many decades particularly the Civil Rights Movement (And prior to that Slavery) Many of this generation will have known family members, friends, other members of their community, whether directly or otherwise - who have been victim of police brutality with no justice been found. I'm not even American and one of my "cousins" (family friend) was almost beaten to death by police officers while he was handcuffed in the 90s, because he was "resisting". And they get away with it. And they have been getting away with it for years, not just with black people but we are perceived to be the most violent, threatening ones. As a result there is a real fear & hatred of the police particularly if you are a black male, that other races just don't understand, it's a constant thought and it's tiring to constantly be aware of your race and how you are perceived by other people that only people of ethnic minorities understand.

The only difference as we've seen in cases like Freddie Gray, is that its much more difficult for the police to get away with it, and BLM isn't going to allow it to continue because each case of civilian death that occurs will now be up for scrutiny and to find out the truth if it was indeed warranted or not. It's been far too easy for police officers to say they feared for their life and they thought the suspect had a weapon.
If the police are doing their jobs correctly, if the facts support the report and any subsequent autopsy of the body, then yes while it's a tough pill to take the death cannot be anything other than warranted.
However in the last year or so since BLM has really picked up pace, we've found far too many inconsistencies between the report, the eyewitness statements, and any video evidence.
BLM not perfect by any means, but finally there's a body that stands up for the voices of community members who had no voice before and have had to suffer in silence with no regard for their treatment.

By no means am I excusing violence against the police and it's certainly not the aim of BLM to encourage force against the police, it's more a mutual understanding that both sides understand the pain felt when they lose one of their own from an unjust means at the hands of someone who had no right to do so.

I realize the long history of conflict between minority communities and police, but my point is that it has broadened or popularized a wider adversarial relationship between cops and the public over the last year or so. The vast majority of cops are averse to using deadly force and never shoot their guns in the line of duty throughout their career. My point is that BLM has helped create a hostile relationship between ALL cops and BLM activists, rather than targeting specific agencies (Ferguson, LAPD, NYPD, BPD), problem divisions/units/officers, or policies (stop and frisk). This puts a wedge between potentially sympathetic police officers and public and their movement. Contrary to the beliefs of the idiots who interrupted Bernie Sanders the other week, BLM must have public support for their agenda to be adopted. Virtually all cops (including the guy's coworkers) would agree that the case in South Carolina of the cop shooting the fleeing suspect is egregious, but characterizing all cops as murderers or racists because of it isn't helpful. Rather that criticizing the legal system or policing practices, the most obvious target has been the people who are cops.

Obviously it's more difficult to protest more abstract institutions or ideas, but it would reduce the likelihood of people acting unreasonably on both sides in any particular police interaction.
 
I realize the long history of conflict between minority communities and police, but my point is that it has broadened or popularized a wider adversarial relationship between cops and the public over the last year or so. The vast majority of cops are averse to using deadly force and never shoot their guns in the line of duty throughout their career. My point is that BLM has helped create a hostile relationship between ALL cops and BLM activists, rather than targeting specific agencies (Ferguson, LAPD, NYPD, BPD), problem divisions/units/officers, or policies (stop and frisk). This puts a wedge between potentially sympathetic police officers and public and their movement. Contrary to the beliefs of the idiots who interrupted Bernie Sanders the other week, BLM must have public support for their agenda to be adopted. Virtually all cops (including the guy's coworkers) would agree that the case in South Carolina of the cop shooting the fleeing suspect is egregious, but characterizing all cops as murderers or racists because of it isn't helpful. Rather that criticizing the legal system or policing practices, the most obvious target has been the people who are cops.

Obviously it's more difficult to protest more abstract institutions or ideas, but it would reduce the likelihood of people acting unreasonably on both sides in any particular police interaction.
BLM would need to actually get some publicity for their agenda to be heard. And as it happens, interrupting Bernie got them a whole lot of it so it was nothing but a success and if they had even half a brain they'll continue with similar stunts.
 
BLM would need to actually get some publicity for their agenda to be heard. And as it happens, interrupting Bernie got them a whole lot of it so it was nothing but a success and if they had even half a brain they'll continue with similar stunts.

It got them lots of negative publicity. They're doing a lot for their movement, especially the one wearing her "I drink white people tears" shirt. Denying their biggest supporter in the presidential race the right to speak because he's a white man isn't going to help their cause (as we all know, free speech is just a tool of the Man to hold down minorities and women, of course). Black people make up about 13% of America and only small portion of them are BLM activists. So good luck trying to get anything done.
 
http://www.hngn.com/articles/125435/20150902/cops-went-to-wrong-house-homeowner-shot-dog-dead.htm

Another one from a few days ago, not getting much attention nationally though. Cops respond to wrong house for a reported burglary. In the process one cops is shot (no word on who shot him) in the hip, the homeowner is shot and wounded and the homeowners dog is killed. Reading several articles the police department are claiming they were given the wrong information about the location they were supposed to go to (though I Have not read all the articles so this information may have changed).
 
It got them lots of negative publicity. They're doing a lot for their movement, especially the one wearing her "I drink white people tears" shirt. Denying their biggest supporter in the presidential race the right to speak because he's a white man isn't going to help their cause (as we all know, free speech is just a tool of the Man to hold down minorities and women, of course). Black people make up about 13% of America and only small portion of them are BLM activists. So good luck trying to get anything done.

I agree with this. The lack of a centralized structure in the BLM movement (it's basically groups all over the country loosely connected by social media) hurts them as far as public opinion goes. Incidents like the Bernie Sanders disruption (like how moronic could you be to interrupt him) and refusals to submit to due process when everything is done correctly, erodes credibility when trying to get in the ear of those who could actually make a difference. You're not gonna win allies through emotional gestures, emotion runs out real quick.
 
I agree with this. The lack of a centralized structure in the BLM movement (it's basically groups all over the country loosely connected by social media) hurts them as far as public opinion goes. Incidents like the Bernie Sanders disruption (like how moronic could you be to interrupt him) and refusals to submit to due process when everything is done correctly, erodes credibility when trying to get in the ear of those who could actually make a difference. You're not gonna win allies through emotional gestures, emotion runs out real quick.

Not sure the Bernie Sanders interruption was such a failure, imo. They got the Bern, Hillary Clinton, and probably will get the Repubs to get up and pay attention to them and what they´re saying and what evolution they want in government policy. They could be disastrous to especially the democrats if they decide they haven´t been taken into account and lobby minority voters to stay home, or continue to make democrats look weak.

Hopefully they form a veritable, respectful alliance with the Democrats, and especially with Bernie, but it looks like they´ll want it on their terms, or at least ones very favorable to their valid criticisms of White Entitlement.