De Gea Contract Situation
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Aye, this is definitely bad for us. That deal going through would have been better for everyone involved, which is presumably why everyone agreed to it.
Stop playing the victim, noods, you made some silly posts and people pointed it out.
I think just these words would have sufficed.
"Manchester United acts appropriately and efficiently in its transfer dealings."
It reads very stupidly, and is completely pointless.
No one cares who did and didn't send who to what, except people who want to point fingers and act like children about it. No one else has any reason to care, because it doesn't matter.
You don't have any reason to believe Real are the only ones talking nonsense other than because you're a United fan and want to believe that. Anyone who is a fan of neither club would probably read both statement, think "haha, what a collective bunch of idiots" and then get on with their evening. Here we have a forum half full of people practically ready to have a hissy fit at this being made aware to them.
would love to know what De Gea thinks of Madrid right now
I don't think it is pointless
Real are questioning our professionalism and our competence....it's natural that we set the record straight
I read that statement twice and I fail to see how it was badly written. Club didn't say they didn't want to sell, they said they didn't seek Madrid first for transfer.
Of course if it was up to us we wouldn't sell him but he didn't sign contract, we named the price and Madrid diddle daddled until the last day of the window and made a mess of it ending with no DDG in their ranks.
Unfortunately some fans want to portray absolutely everything what is done by the club in negative light. Absolutely everything. I don't get it.
Everything some other clubs do is brilliant every time but no United. I get when ABUs do it but United fans..
For me most important thing right now is that David wants to fight for his place, won't sulk and will act professional. If reports are to be believed that's what he is going to do.
Of course if it was up to us we wouldn't sell him but he didn't sign contract, we named the price and Madrid diddle daddled until the last day of the window and made a mess of it ending with no DDG in their ranks.
Unfortunately some fans want to portray absolutely everything what is done by the club in negative light. Absolutely everything. I don't get it.
Everything some other clubs do is brilliant every time but no United. I get when ABUs do it but United fans..
For me most important thing right now is that David wants to fight for his place, won't sulk and will act professional. If reports are to be believed that's what he is going to do.
I'm not playing the victim. You're all acting like touchy over a silly statement that serves no real purpose and is quite stupid. It's not my fault this is what is going on.
Imagine if this was happening between Real and Chelsea. Would you have looked at that statement and thought "yeah, well in", or just laughed at the pettyness of it?
Now i know you are WUMing, because thousands of people care. They care enough to stay up through the night and keeping their twitter feeds up, of course they care about our version of the events. And why should fans of neither side have anything good to say about this saga in the first place
more importantly why would you care what they think. Would they respect us more had we kept quiet? No, they would go on to assume the worst, like Woody intentionally messing up the deal to make a statement or something.Are people actually complaining that we didn't sell him earlier? Even though its now transpired that Madrid didn't even make a bid until yesterday? Despite all the shenanigans, their first actual bid wasn't submitted until the final day of the window. It doesn't take a genius to work out why.
What were we supposed to do, ring them up and ask if they'd kindly take our best player off our hands?
What were we supposed to do, ring them up and ask if they'd kindly take our best player off our hands?
I don't think De Gea would have had his head turned this soon if Fergie was still here. Think he'd have signed a new long term deal a year or so back. But no one really knows and it's sort of pointless to discuss or think about.
No he's not either of those and had we just got on with playing him at the start of the season all would have been well, but we've already accused him of not having his head in the right place which to his credit he has denied, now with all of the deadline day goings on and somebody as stubborn as LVG in charge do you really thing he's just gonna be able to walk back into the starting line up especially considering how to a certain extend he may feel he has been messed about by us?
There are a string of former LVG players who would agree with you there, it has never stopped him in the past from doing things his way nor did it at the start of this season.
Yep..... and your point is?
I now know the fachts.
We had to respond. There's no question about that. We've had enough bad press, enough lies. The focus is now back where it belongs and we won't hear another peep directly from Madrid. We will from their propaganda vehicles but they're trying to make us look incompetent. They need to be put in their place. We could say that clearly some of what we say was disrespectful but they deserve it. They have been.
My thoughts too, which is why it seems far-fetched that United botched this on purpose, as seems to be being accused by opposing fans all over the internet.
For me, Madrid had more reason to pull the plug. They've been reluctant to pay a fee for De Gea, as proven by putting in their first bid on deadline day. They seemed content to wait until next summer, and their supporters didn't seem excited by the prospect of De Gea being their marquee signing for the summer. £29m plus a replacement goalkeeper who is better than Romero was a pretty great deal for us considering De Geas contractual circumstances.
Now we have De Gea for a year, who we will lose for free, and it's up in the air as to whether he'll even play this year. If they get him for free next summer and also keep Navas, I reckon it will have panned out exactly as they wanted.
Dave wants to start for Spain in euro 2016, if he doesn't perform well at United it'll hurt his chances or at least it'll take his development a step backwards. Honestly I'm happy with what happened we were going to get a GK who didn't want to come in Navas and lose our only world class player. In this scenario there's a chance he re-signs if he doesn't we have more than enough time to bring in an equally talented GK. It's a win win for United.
I wonder what those idiots in this thread earlier suggesting that we go the silent route think of this statement? Clueless idiots.
I'm glad we hit back with a statement though, it was the right thing to do if the club felt they were not at fault and are being wrongly accused.
I'm glad we hit back with a statement though, it was the right thing to do if the club felt they were not at fault and are being wrongly accused.
We must meet in the CL and turn them over! I'd feckin love it!!!!
And this thread is absolute gold! Haha
And this thread is absolute gold! Haha
My guesses at some of the factors...
1. Recent poll showing 85% of fans prefer Navas
2. Reecent strong performances of Navas and very public fan support at matches
3. They don't care about goalkeepers, big transfers are about attacking players
4. Potential to sign him for free next year
5. Difficulty in getting rid of Navas if he didn't want to go
6. Our asking price or insistence on player swaps
7. Political concerns for Perez
In my mind the most important question in all of this is "What happens now to the Special Suit"
It's times like this you realize how a significant number of people in this world don't understand nuance. Or pragmatism. Or compromise.
Navas didn't appear to want to be here. He's no loss.
This buys us a year and gives the boy at Ajax and Sam Johnstone another year to develop.
I'd loan Johnstone out now and see how he does. We can make a unrushed choice in 9 months
This buys us a year and gives the boy at Ajax and Sam Johnstone another year to develop.
I'd loan Johnstone out now and see how he does. We can make a unrushed choice in 9 months
This has made the 10 o'clock news on the Beeb 
Fu¢k Real.... I'm glad their bullying backfired!!!
We all know that both clubs' statements omit the elephant in the living room known as Mendes.
I liked United's statement because it wasn't couched in legal terms. It was a deliberately conversational response to Madrid's version of events. Ultimately what both versions agree on is that United submitted the paperwork (just) in time and Madrid not only failed to submit the documents to La Liga on time, they also missed the FIFA deadline.
Despite what Madrid was saying last night, there was no evidence of their documents being filed on time, because they weren't. Hence why they didn't need United, FIFA and the FA backing for their appeal, they had no grounds to appeal. Madrid should have backed away quietly, as soon as they put up their version of events, they were asking for a reaction. They got one - AS and the other anti-Perez media will be delighted.
I liked United's statement because it wasn't couched in legal terms. It was a deliberately conversational response to Madrid's version of events. Ultimately what both versions agree on is that United submitted the paperwork (just) in time and Madrid not only failed to submit the documents to La Liga on time, they also missed the FIFA deadline.
Despite what Madrid was saying last night, there was no evidence of their documents being filed on time, because they weren't. Hence why they didn't need United, FIFA and the FA backing for their appeal, they had no grounds to appeal. Madrid should have backed away quietly, as soon as they put up their version of events, they were asking for a reaction. They got one - AS and the other anti-Perez media will be delighted.
yes, totally deserved, is a joke that a elite team can have those mistakes , although I would like to know the real version, United sent it on time, but Madrid version said that United spend many hours checking the contracts and I read the last weeks that United didn´t want to put a price until last days. In any case they shouldn´t be closing the deal some hours before the end. Do you think that De Gea will play even if he doesn´t renew?
I have no idea how you could maintain a good negotiation position and make the first move as seller.
It is pretty irrelevant to vast majority of the world, but surely you can see why the club itself felt the need to respond?
Real's statement essentially blamed United for the deal falling through by suggesting they had failed to handle the transfer properly. It only makes sense for a professional organisation to defend itself if it thinks the accusation is unfair, no? Especially when that organization has already developed a bit of a reputation of erratic transfer dealings.
Not sure the statement was particularly well written but it would have been a bit stupid for the club not to respond at all when another club goes out of its way to essentially accuse them of incompetence.
Price has been known the whole summer as far as I know. Also from Madrid report it seems it was 2 hours between United sending changes to a contracts and Madrid sending papers, signed by Navas and DDG back to United. In any case Madrid didn't file the papers at all in the end.
But what about the finger?
Sorry, I was watching it live. Jesus, I went off to play mass effect and came back to a ton of alerts. "WTF have I done now" entered my mind.
Would be silly to loan Johnstone. I rather play him than Romero.
Romero just doesn't fill me with confidence and has a mistake in him. Johnstone might also, but atleast he'd improve.
We're not going to play Romero or Valdes so yes. He isn't going to refuse to play and Van Gaal will say the matter is over now and DDG can focus on the season here.
outstanding games.Yep.
It is like watching two kids have an argument over who ate the chocolates, when they both have them smeared all over their face.
I've never actually played them, so this is my first time. Halfway through number juan and completely addicted.
Also, when does DDG return to England?
It's like a wife swap gone bad... everbody was naked and drinking wine and then the other guy grabbed his clothes and ran away.
That depends on Louis van Gaal who is unpredictable, De Gea is a professional. We also have Victor Valdes who wants to reportedly make up with the manager, he also wants to be going to the Euros.
As for checking the contract with detail, you can't blame the lawyers for being cautious!
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