well if he hands in a transfer request that will be a different matter of course
as for a world class no. 10.....
(neymar anyone...)How does LVG solve the Rooney problem?
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as for a world class no. 10.....
(neymar anyone...)The Council only charges twenty quid to take away knackered old furniture, so there's one solution.
Considering how much of a success it was boasted as...
Its because those players have too much influence at the club and a lot of media buddies that can twist the narrative to whatever they want.
Steve Gerrard was playing just as poorly, but even he admitted that when he was dropped for the United he had to stop himself from physically assaulting the manager. Shearer caused a massive fuss when dropped by Gullit. Terry is now sulking at Chelsea because he has been benched. This are players that have always been first choice for club and country. They dont do benches. The last time Rooney was benched for a couple of games, he told Fergie that if he didnt play, then he should sell him.
The media nonsense that follows is because of exactly that.
It's only twenty to three now. Would there be an chance we might get them to call out to us this evening, I wonder? They might have a little lorry passing the way or something.
I think Van Gaal really likes him, and he has also said he's been his best ever captain. The only problem is how long do you carry a passenger who form is absolutely woeful just because he's a good captain. In the past I think LVG would have dropped him by now but he's giving him every chance to get some form back but I can't see it happening. It's been long enough since he showed anything looking like a decent run of performances and to me the decline is terminal. I've never seen him look so slow, sluggish and clumsy.
Yeah, that's fair enough - but it's very hypothetical. We don't have a standout candidate to replace Rooney - not within LVG's preferred system.
Anyway, regardless of how he performs this season, we'll be after someone to replace him/properly challenge him - and that goes doubly if he continues to play at his current level. LVG isn't stupid.
As it stands, we're top of the league and level again in the CL - all with an underwhelming Rooney in the team. Worst case scenario, he gets even worse - in which case he WILL be dropped. And meanwhile we can always hope he isn't actually done for, and will hit a spot of form sooner rather than later.
He has no incentive to do that..no one will match his wages here and he will lose out on a lot of money..I was thinking of someone a bit more attainable.well if he hands in a transfer request that will be a different matter of course
as for a world class no. 10.....
Would rather see Herrera starting with Rooney coming on in the last 30 minutes, and the burden would be on him to prove himself when he comes on (similar to Di Maria last year). He should be forced to fight for his place like everyone else.
Rooney needs to be moved to the bench for a while, he simply is not producing at the moment. The goal he scored against Sunderland was forced on him by the excellence of Martial. There is a reason why he gets moved around in different positions, but right now nothing is working for him. He is missing easy chances, and lost of attacks are breaking down because of him. If we are to play a #10, then either play Herrera there, or Pereira for a few games. I would go even further and play both Wilson and Martial together. Imagine the problems they would create with their pace and movement.
This Season; Replace him with Herrera but play him as the third midfielder rather than the '10'.
Next season ; Bring in a quality right winger (Reus would be ideal, although if unattainable someone of that ilk) and move Mata to the '10'.
Getting rid of WR would allow us to be so more dynamic and creative.
Next season ; Bring in a quality right winger (Reus would be ideal, although if unattainable someone of that ilk) and move Mata to the '10'.
Getting rid of WR would allow us to be so more dynamic and creative.
No better game for him to find some form than Sunday's one.
The one difference between Gerrard, Shearer and Terry is that I don't think the United fanbase really care about Rooney if he ends up sulking and the media might struggle if they try to spin it
Drop him. He's not good enough.
Play him. Not as regularly as we should do but keep playing him. The last thing you need is him throwing a fit in a delicate stage of the season. After this year sell him
Hypothetically if he was dropped and sulked nobody would care due to his current level. Chelsea look lost without Terry, our team not so much
He has his fans though..The press have a lot of influence in a lot of people's thinking (sadly so)....imagine the headlines '' United slump to another defeat as Rooney left on the bench ''....then you would have the regular line of past United players spouting nonsense '' Rooney is a player that gives United a cutting edge, and I feel they are missing that right now, surely Van Gaal can see that ''....we see this all the time, thats why the end of season sale works best. Tell him we are getting a replacement, bring one in and then sell him .
But Chelsea were struggling WITH Terry in the side....bringing him into the side doesnt solve their creativity issues, or the defense struggle to play a high line.
The easiest narrative is to blame this on Terry's absence, and thats what the media are running with. Its the same thing that will happen if Rooney is dropped, no matter what the cause, poor results will blamed on his absence. Thse hacks are that predictable.
I agree in principle, but I'd have absolutely no issue with Rooney remaining club captain if it lets us bench him without too much fuss. Captaincy is mostly bullshit, leaders on the pitch do it with or without an armband. The reason people want Smalling as captain is because he is already doing captain-esque things, so personally I don't think it matters whether we make it official or not.
How about sit down, watch his old highlight film with him, pointing out his movement... the pop on the Wolfsburg game and highlight the lack of runs, the poor touches and his overall lack of effectiveness. IF LVG is Mr. Communicator, if he does a ton of talking to players to discuss what he wants.... then It's quite simple.... evaluate, expose unwanted behavior and direct Wayne toward the desired activity. Much of Wayne's problems yesterday was terrible first touches however the most frustrating thing for me to see is lack of movement.
When our back line is up past midfield possessing the ball and looking to pick out a pass, the easy passes are always to wide players but for a possession offense to EVER transform into an attack, it requires movement and the ability to beat a man (one or both of those), and one thing I saw was the lack of midfield players checking to the ball. Schneiderlin doesn't want the ball (IMO) and Bastian needs to come get it and then look to Wayne on the next level up the field (near the box) to make something happen. At times, it was like Blind and Smalling would just bounce it around to each other and then out wide with no one checking into the middle (which is one great way to break down a defense).
When Smalling has the ball, he has several options including Blind, the 2 full backs and there should be a holding mid flashing into the middle to give him a option. IF the defense tracks that, then just behind that level of defense should be wayne stepping forward to make himself available. Whether he's coached to hold hands with the oppositions CB or whether he just thinks like a striker.... not sure which... . We need movement that responds to how their defenses play our possession.
I just hate it when nobody flashes to the middle to draw defenders in and to give space for our attackers in behind. I'll see if i can find a video clip of this....
When our back line is up past midfield possessing the ball and looking to pick out a pass, the easy passes are always to wide players but for a possession offense to EVER transform into an attack, it requires movement and the ability to beat a man (one or both of those), and one thing I saw was the lack of midfield players checking to the ball. Schneiderlin doesn't want the ball (IMO) and Bastian needs to come get it and then look to Wayne on the next level up the field (near the box) to make something happen. At times, it was like Blind and Smalling would just bounce it around to each other and then out wide with no one checking into the middle (which is one great way to break down a defense).
When Smalling has the ball, he has several options including Blind, the 2 full backs and there should be a holding mid flashing into the middle to give him a option. IF the defense tracks that, then just behind that level of defense should be wayne stepping forward to make himself available. Whether he's coached to hold hands with the oppositions CB or whether he just thinks like a striker.... not sure which... . We need movement that responds to how their defenses play our possession.
I just hate it when nobody flashes to the middle to draw defenders in and to give space for our attackers in behind. I'll see if i can find a video clip of this....
We could do worse than Young as a 10, he would be better than Rooney lately
I'm with you on the influence of captaincy, Wayne can keep his club captaincy. The issue for me is that it does seem to influence Louis's outlook on that particular player judging by his previous comments.
Would be a bit daft when you could just move Mata central and play Young wide though...
Personally I'd prefer us to leave Mata where he is and drop Rooney for Herrera though. Especially in the Arsenal game - imagine how many fouls Herrera could draw out of Coquelin with that trick first touch of his.
It'll be Rooney though.
I am convinced he is absolutely done.
I can't remember the last time he did one thing - a touch, shot, dribble - that looked class.
I hope we find someway to sell him in the summer. It could be difficult because he is 1) actually terrible 2) on mega wages.
The Glazers are really going to need to continue to invest heavily if we are to be big boys again in Europe. I mean serious money - there is so much missing.
I can't remember the last time he did one thing - a touch, shot, dribble - that looked class.
I hope we find someway to sell him in the summer. It could be difficult because he is 1) actually terrible 2) on mega wages.
The Glazers are really going to need to continue to invest heavily if we are to be big boys again in Europe. I mean serious money - there is so much missing.
Dropping Rooney will cause a storm that Van Gaal is very likely to avoid, for now at least. I don't blame him either, this early into the season.
Sticking by principles is all well and good, but he needs to pragmatic foremostly. Firstly, Van Gaal does genuinely seem to like Rooney. Secondly, we're winning games and he's our top scorer in all competitions. If and when these variables change, and Rooney's slump in form starts to seriously impact on our ability to win matches, then Van Gaal will pull the trigger.
Until then it's a case of riding this one out and hoping Rooney starts to deliver. I don't like it, Van Gaal probably won't either, but his job, both inside the dressing room and out of it, will get a lot more difficult for dropping Rooney right now.
Van Gaal's ruthless disposal of Van Persie during the summer in enough of an indication to me that he will sell a player when he sees fit. Let's remember that he gave Van Persie an extended run in the side and seldom seemed willing to drop him.
Sticking by principles is all well and good, but he needs to pragmatic foremostly. Firstly, Van Gaal does genuinely seem to like Rooney. Secondly, we're winning games and he's our top scorer in all competitions. If and when these variables change, and Rooney's slump in form starts to seriously impact on our ability to win matches, then Van Gaal will pull the trigger.
Until then it's a case of riding this one out and hoping Rooney starts to deliver. I don't like it, Van Gaal probably won't either, but his job, both inside the dressing room and out of it, will get a lot more difficult for dropping Rooney right now.
Van Gaal's ruthless disposal of Van Persie during the summer in enough of an indication to me that he will sell a player when he sees fit. Let's remember that he gave Van Persie an extended run in the side and seldom seemed willing to drop him.
We can't really force out the future club ambassador, I think he will leave of his own accord. Probably in 2019 
Drop it like its hot, drop it like its hot
This made me laugh so hard, my stomach hurts now and I've now got a cough.
If Wayne himself saw this thread, I think he'd laugh.
This can't be true???
He scored 1 goal, by mistake, in the EPL.
1 goal in the league cup.
And 0 goals in the CL. Have I got this right?
I make that 2 goals in all competitions.
Oh and lets not pretend that the Brugge game was a CL game - it wasn't.
Drop him. Its the only thing that can work. He needs 4/5 games out.
Hopefully we can flog him to city or chelsea or even arsenal in the summer. They'd need to meet the home grown rules I'd have thought.
Hopefully we can flog him to city or chelsea or even arsenal in the summer. They'd need to meet the home grown rules I'd have thought.
The three goals against Brugge obviously still count. Look, Rooney pisses me off as much as he pisses off the next guy, but we can't chalk off three legitimate goals.
LVG didn't want to pressure Rooney for his position in the team. I think he genuinely believed that Rooney was our first choice no.9 for this season. LVG bought Martial as a back up to Rooney, not as a starter. The no. 10 position was for Januzaj, Depay etc. So your argument about the defensive graft required from LVG's no.10 is quite weak.
Depay - Herrera - Mata or
Depay - Mata - Young
just seems like they could offer a lot more fluid movement behind Martial. It's worth a shot at some stage. Maybe this weekend's Arsenal clash is too big and too soon to experiment, but I think it would be negligent of Van Gaal not to try a Rooney-less formation for a period at some point. Also gives Rooney the chance to get a rest, because the old tactic of playing him into form certainly doesn't seem to be working.
Rooney's character and standing in the dressing room is enough of a valid reason to keep him happy, and he can still contribute with plenty of big moments throughout the season, but it is obvious to us all that he has declined massively.
If he was an unknown player playing this way for a midtable Prem side and his contract was coming to an end next summer we'd pass on the option of signing him for free. I firmly believe that's how bad he has been. And that's not the person who should be captaining Manchester United.
Depay - Mata - Young
just seems like they could offer a lot more fluid movement behind Martial. It's worth a shot at some stage. Maybe this weekend's Arsenal clash is too big and too soon to experiment, but I think it would be negligent of Van Gaal not to try a Rooney-less formation for a period at some point. Also gives Rooney the chance to get a rest, because the old tactic of playing him into form certainly doesn't seem to be working.
Rooney's character and standing in the dressing room is enough of a valid reason to keep him happy, and he can still contribute with plenty of big moments throughout the season, but it is obvious to us all that he has declined massively.
If he was an unknown player playing this way for a midtable Prem side and his contract was coming to an end next summer we'd pass on the option of signing him for free. I firmly believe that's how bad he has been. And that's not the person who should be captaining Manchester United.
Coz there is a often spoken about system. We have a list of takers. If you score you stay on top, till you miss. Then the next guy gets his chance. I really like this system. It puts pressure on the designated player to practice penalties to stay on top. It also keeps the top 5 takers prepared for a shoot outif it ever comes to a shoot out in a knockout game (and none of them are rusty).
Falcao was never dropped. Not till almost the last quarter of the season.
Yes, exactly. I made this point a few days back. Soon enough, the media will catch on to it, and his stats - which are inflated by 3 goals against a very poor defence - will be thrown all over to show how great a striker he is, and how United look lost without him. He is our talisman, our driving force, and blah blah.
He needs to be on the bench... simple as that. I`d rather see Pereira or Herrera start ( just no Fellaini please)
He's going to MLS after his current contract is up or earlier id say.
current contract expires in a shocking June 2019!
I'm a little concerned at 2015 Rooney, so goodness knows what 2017,2018, 2019 Rooney will be like!
Isn't that 3 1/2 years from now? I think he'll go to the MLS next summer and we will pick up part of his salary. The MLS has a unique contract situation with players (league contracts, not teams) and it's possible for a deal where we pay him while he plays there. At least I think. I also think he could be out of football within two years as his form will not be even good enough for the MLS.