Just saw that on the news, what a piece of shit. If he did that to my kid I would kick the brains out of him.
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That's disgusting, he dragged her like a rag doll, but she must have been "resisting" i'm sure.
Wondered when this would show up here. Took long enough 
What's telling is that the other students in the class didn't even seem surprised...
edit: eh, never mind. Not worth it.
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Do you really think that was the only way of dealing with a distruptive teenager? To throw them out of their chair and drag them across the room.
Wondered when this would show up here. Took long enough
We have a platoon of posters scouring the internet for police videos, so it was inevitable.
The SRO was obviously in the wrong with the excessive force and manhandling and as a result has lost his job.
But - I don't think some appreciate, how tough it really is in some of these schools. These kids have zero respect and zero fear for authority.
I don't envy the teachers or school officials.
But - I don't think some appreciate, how tough it really is in some of these schools. These kids have zero respect and zero fear for authority.
I don't envy the teachers or school officials.
The Waco biker shootout article - if that article is correct, that's fecking murder.
What other ways would you like to exercise? It's already gotten to the point that they had to call an officer because she refused to leave when asked by the teacher and the school office. Once she has been to to leave the class, she's trespassing. The officer told her that she needs to leave, and she refused. He went to remove her from the desk, and she struck him In the face.
Should the parents be called and waited to arrive? What if they can't? Should every other student suffer and sit there having to deal with one disruptive student who decided she's more important than everyone else?
Handcuff her to the desk and slide it out? Not a good idea. If he places a handcuff on her and she struggles away, that's a weapon. If he does handcuff her to the desk, what's to stop her struggling with a desk and injuring herself or another student with it? Handcuffing someone to an object they can just pick up wouldn't really suffice.
We have a platoon of posters scouring the internet for police videos, so it was inevitable.
Yep, usually not worth arguing when someone has already been tried and found guilty by public opinion. The same public opinion will likely mistake you for some sort of bigot.
That's the same way it usually goes. Try offering a different opinion, or explaining the mindset of different viewpoint and experiences and you still get accused of blindly protecting LE and that you're part of the problem. Better leaving them to whip themselves into a frenzy and pat each other on the back for another video well found
Could have cleared the room and maced her that would have worked. Or a tazer.
She obviously was not ever going to comply with anyone's verbal commands. The only way she was leaving that room was by force.
Seen things like this before at a Mall I used to work at, people just refusing to do what they are asked unless they are forced my law enforcement.
She obviously was not ever going to comply with anyone's verbal commands. The only way she was leaving that room was by force.
Seen things like this before at a Mall I used to work at, people just refusing to do what they are asked unless they are forced my law enforcement.
I reckon a 250lb guy built like a body builder could easily use far less force on a 150lb child. Numbers made up but probably not far off.
I'm leaning towards @Skizzo's POV. I think the officer was out of line but I find it very concerning no one is talking about the kid's behavior.
So how would you have proceeded? Serious question.
Is this the first time we're (almost) in agreement here?
I don't agree with the toss move at the end necessarily, but I don't see much wrong in the way things went before that. He grabbed her pant leg and opposite shoulder to try and remove her from the desk, she hit him in the face, so her and the desk went down. She came right out after that.She had multiple chances before that to remove herself. She obviously doesn't want to be there, but refuses to leave because she thinks she can do whatever she wants.
What do they think would have happened when they called the cops? Wouldn't be a better option to call the parents?
She was asked to leave the classroom for using a mobile phone, was it not? Its hardly snorting coke off the desk.
If we are affording that level of tolerance to teenagers in the classroom then I should of been shot when I was at school.
So how would you have proceeded? Serious question.
Is this the first time we're (almost) in agreement here?
She had multiple chances before that to remove herself. She obviously doesn't want to be there, but refuses to leave because she thinks she can do whatever she wants.
I'm sure I've agreed with your POV many times in silence ;-)
The final flip is shocking and got many people out of their seats in anger. I kind of get that. That being said, how should a student, who has disobeyed her teacher, principal, and a police officer, be removed out of the room? I don't see any way she can be removed without use of physical force. I'm just going off what I saw but he seemed angry while handling a kid and that's just a potential for disaster.
I'm also thinking, in high school we all had our moments, but not once did I hear a student disobey a teacher's order. Much less the principal. I went to a school where corporal punishment was used liberally so that wasn't an option, and maybe that's why the video wasn't all that to me. Still, it's just shocking to see the blatant disregard for authority in a school setting, where you're supposed to be picking up skills that will benefit you down the road.
If I was the father I'd be irate at how the cop lost control and nearly injured my daughter. At the same time when my daughter got home she would have to explain a whole lot of stuff.
What if they can't make it? Or can't be there for a few hours? Or just don't care?
She was asked to leave for breaking the rules. Continually refusing to leave after being asked by the teacher, the office, and then the officer. Why should everyone else's learning be disrupted because she thinks she can do what she wants?
I don't think it warranted calling the cops, and they need to look at their process for dealing with disruptive students. I was a feckwit at times in school. It just never got to this point.
However you have a situation where for some reason the teacher, principal and police officer are asking the girl to leave. She refused. He used excessive force dealing with it. Multiple points of failure there.
Probably smart to keep it quiet
I'll drag you down with me.There's other videos showing a different viewpoint where once the officer tried to remove her, she hits him in the face. That's when the desk gets flipped.
it seems to be just another example of the kind of attitude kids have these days, towards most authority figures. Whether that be LEO, teachers, parents, or all and more. Once she made up her mind that she wasn't going to listen to anyone, it was only going one way.
The day my child goes to school and someone in her class gets thrown out of a chair and thrown across the room by a police officer is the day I take my child out of that school. I can't believe people are actually defending what happened in that video. Every class in the whole world has a kid that disrupts things, and if they can't handle that kid using measures like suspension and expulsion and feel the need to call the fecking police well then the teachers in that school need to find a new job until they learn how to deal with kids.
Absolute disgrace of a video.
Absolute disgrace of a video.
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A lot of schools have full time SRO's - so, it's not necessarily a case of calling the police and asking them to come in sirens blasting away. As the sheriff said - they had exhausted all verbal means of removal and that she was being removed physically wasn't a problem. The problem was the nature and extent of his physicality.
I haven't seen the video so I may be wide of the mark here - but - considering the amount of disproportionate violence used against black people by the police force is it any wonder why they don't respect that authority? No one will ever respect authority if that authority is abused. Respect is earnt not given. This is why the UK stands head and shoulders above the US in terms of policing. But just the sheer volume of ethnic minorities being killed, abused, whatever by the people who are meant to protect them is staggering. You can't blame the kids for not respect the police if they see that type of stuff in this social media / viral environment.Probably smart to keep it quiet
There's other videos showing a different viewpoint where once the officer tried to remove her, she hits him in the face. That's when the desk gets flipped.
it seems to be just another example of the kind of attitude kids have these days, towards most authority figures. Whether that be LEO, teachers, parents, or all and more. Once she made up her mind that she wasn't going to listen to anyone, it was only going one way.
^I genuinely don't think this is a black/white thing - and I'm no denier of race issues in the US. Plenty of shit faced white kids get treated the same way.
Not to forget, the SRO was a last resort, her class teacher and multiple other school officials tried to get her to cooperate before the officer was called in to 'evict' her.
Not to forget, the SRO was a last resort, her class teacher and multiple other school officials tried to get her to cooperate before the officer was called in to 'evict' her.
Probably because kids acting up in the classroom is not that uncommon
1) Attempt to talk to her
2) If non-responsive perhaps grab her by the arm and cuff her without breaking her arms or neck
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100) Do what this cop did
I'm willing to concede that I must have gone to a sheltered school or something. I saw kids act up. I acted up. Just, nothing to that extent.
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(I haven't watched the video) did anyone actually try to engage the kid before the cop was called? Like a 'why are you behaving difficult' etc?
It just seems these type of situations arise too readily. There's like a calm calm scenario then next thing you know the guy is dead / shots are fired etc. Doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
(I haven't watched the video) did anyone actually try to engage the kid before the cop was called? Like a 'why are you behaving difficult' etc?
It just seems these type of situations arise too readily. There's like a calm calm scenario then next thing you know the guy is dead / shots are fired etc. Doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
Well apparently the teacher and principal asked her to leave before the officer came in.
Yea I got that they asked her to leave she said no. Was there any why are you doing this or what's the problem etc? Was it just a kid being difficult for no real reason?
Tell me about it. This was not something we saw at St. Stephen's and St. Agnes School while I was growing up.
Have no idea.
Race had nothing to do with this. The officer has a black girlfriend, but even beyond that, why does a teenager refusing to listen to her teacher, the school office, and then the officer have anything to do with race?
I'll say this too since you touched on it, if black people take a stance like what you suggested ( why respect that authority because some officers are racist/assholes) then that will just serve to enhance the problem. Do you think if this was a black officer that you'd feel the same? Or that the media would be running the story with similar headlines? No, but everything has to be made about race when sometimes that has nothing to do with it, and masks the actual causes of the issue.
Do you think "Offer tazers a female school kid" would receive any better reaction than the current one?
Nope. Learning by example from social media...seriously? A kid sees social media and does something stupid and you think it's understandable?
No one is defending the girl, but policeman's way of dealing with the problem is embarassing. Actually, it's not embarassing, that's acting like an animal, I couldn't drag and kick female like that even if she shoots at me. It's the fecking school kid, and a female, how can anyone defend that policeman is beyond me, he acts like he is in MMA. That would be harsh if he did that to some criminal, let alone to a person in the video.